I would have to say the Thunder have the worst starting five in the NBA. They get in a hole at just about the beginning of every game and have to climb back with two or three bench players on the court. The starters just don't play well together.
In the Memphis loss tonight, the starters were a combined -46 and the bench was +26. The starting lineup should be Westbrook, Harden, Durant, Ibaka, and Collison. But Scott Brooks is the most stubborn coach I've ever seen. When injuries force a lineup change, it always works better, but then Brooks goes right back to ineffectiveness.
Thabo has SERIOUSLY regressed this year, and Krstic is garbage but that you knew. I don't know why they continue to start or why Green plays 40+ minutes no matter how bad he plays. Harden was playing well but couldn't get on the court because Brooks went with Durant at the two and Green at the three... which doesn't work! Durant can't play the two very well, and Green went 2-12.
You could say that they're getting better, which is true. But they could be even better by tweaking what they already have.
A bit extreme...Cleveland doesn't have Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook and Jeff Green.
I seriously wonder why Kristic gets so many minutes for them especially since they have a lot of young talent at the center position. They traded for Cole Aldrich and have barely played him all season.
im gonna go out on a limb and guess the worst starting 5 probably is not in positon to make the playoffs. Either way, i havent watched much of okc this year so hard for me to judge them but i dont thnk durant has been nearly the mvp candidate peoiple expected of him before the season.
To clarify, I didn't mean in terms of talent... I meant in terms of strategy.
Tonight the Raptors started ...
Calderon, Derozen, Weems, Amir Johnson, Bargnani ....
That is just pathetic if you ask me... Weems doesnt belong in the NBA, Amir Johnson is a 9th-10th man at best, Derozen is DECENT but still lost half the games, and a year or two away from being a solid NBA player let alone solid starter...Than you have Bargs and Calderon who are all stars.....In the Euro League, but in the NBA are fringe staters at best!
Wait, why doesn't Weems belong in the nba? He's no starter, but he's a solid player coming off the bench, and I dunno if you have been checking, but Amir has been on a tear lately. You gotta give the Raps a BIT more credit than that...
im not sure if it was okc , or if it was tony allen who was possessed by Jordan tonight, 9 / 12 shooting 9/12 from the line 27 points 3 blocks 5 steals , thats not a normal man right there
don't forget to throw in those 3 blocks. Dude went off on both ends of the court.
Dont blame the Thunder, they are 33-18 for a reason. The grizzlies starting lineup was worst than OKC tonight playing w/o Rudy Gay and OJ Mayo. The reason that they lost was because the grizzlies just wanted it more and also Tony Allen just played the game of his life on both sides of the ball. I watched the game and it was like a playoff game.
"Tonight the Raptors started ...
Calderon, Derozen, Weems, Amir Johnson, Bargnani ....
That is just pathetic if you ask me... Weems doesnt belong in the NBA, Amir Johnson is a 9th-10th man at best, Derozen is DECENT but still lost half the games, and a year or two away from being a solid NBA player let alone solid starter...Than you have Bargs and Calderon who are all stars.....In the Euro League, but in the NBA are fringe staters at best!"
Way to drastically overemphasize the lack of talent on Toronto. Bargnani is a 4 playing the 5 who just needs to be put beside a true 5, Calderon is a very capable offensive player who just doesnt bring the defensive intensity the problem is when the atlantic Division was weak and the Raptors won the division his contract was justified, but now that Toronto is losing his defence has been a huge flaw and his contract looks horrible, Johnson is really playing well as of late showing the abillity to be a great energy player, Weems would be someone who can play a Shannon Brown type role, and Derozan is easily a Top 5 sophemore and will become a star in this league.
The fact is Toronto is an extremely young team who has no defensive presence at all. We have at least 10 offensive role players, a couple players with no identity and about 3 grunge type players to do dirty work. Collengelo seems to think he can create what was created in Phoenix but tends to forget there is no Steve Nash, there is no Amare Stoudemire and there is no Chris Bosh to be the nucleus of this team. So the rebuilding process is on and frankly the young players are devoloping well on route to a Top 5 Draft Pick.
As for the Thunder keep dreaming, 20 Franchises would wish they have the starting lineup they have. Argueably the best PG in the league Westbrook, agueably the best scorer in the league Durant, argueably the best stopper in the league Sefelosha and a great swingman in Jeff Green. I see alot more wins then losses so how is this the worst Starting 5. Youre telling me Collison, Ibaka, and Harden are magically coming in and winning the game for them when Green, Durant, and Westbrook have almost 75% of their points. They have 2 Allstars in that starting lineup and are 33-18 on the season. Stop your nonsense...
any line up that has graham and outlaw in the starting line up is pathetic hahaha
wouldn't the team with the worst record be the ones with the worst starting 5? Even though I'm not even sure what Cleveland's real starting 5 are since most of them are out with injuries.
any line up that has graham and outlaw is pathetic
You clearly dont watch raptors games.
I would go with the Cavs. They arent good and they arent even that young either which makes it even worse.
"argueably the best stopper in the league Sefelosha"
Have you watched Sefolosha this season? The dude has been terrible for some reason.
I think sefolosha got way too hyped as a good defender last year. Hes not one of the best stoppers in the league, just an above average defender imo.
Please, he is a stopper how can u make a all defensive 2nd team being just above average?
There is a line of thought that the Thunder should start Ibaka and Harden, I would not mind Ibaka starting over Kristic but Ibaka is not a full time C and some matchups would create issues for him. Harden has never had the chance to shine yet with the Thunder and with Durant, Westbrook and Green all as proven scorers he doesn't need to be a major scoring option yet. So using him off the bench as an impact 6th man probably is the best position for him at the moment.
The Thunder's starting 5 is probably in the top 10 in the NBA in my opinion, the worse would probably be Cleveland at the moment.
The Raptors are in rebuild again and if they get lucky in the lottery they can have a good core going forward.
durant and westbrook alone make the thunders starting lineup better than the cavs the raptors the nets to name a few as for the worst gotta go with the cavs theres a reason they have lost the most consective games in history
Yeah good point. I just dont think hes arguably the best stopper in the league. Hes well above average at D but i still think he got overhyped last year since some beleive hes the best defender in the league which i just dont agree with.
Sefalosha wins games for OKC more then he loses them for OKC. Trust me watch the games he makes some amazing plays and his lack of offense is compensated for by the big 3 in OKC.
You guys don't get it. I'm not saying that OKC's starting lineup is worse than Sacramento, for example...
But statistically the Kings starting lineup is more effective than the Thunders starting lineup.
The Kings starting lineup is the best lineup they put on the floor, and the Thunders starting lineup is almost the worst starting lineup they can put on the floor.
You see "worst starting lineup" and "OKC" in the same sentence and freak out and jump to conclusions without paying attention to what the argument is saying.