Wizards vs Knicks
Anyone watching this game? Wall has 13pts 6 ast with the third quarter just starting
Mcgee has 10pts 6reb 6blks!!!!!
Wiz up 8 and out rebounding the knicks by 7
JaVale McGee has ALWAYS played well vs NY. His 5 best games have been all vs NY.
Mozgoz is playing well....
Lester Hudson screwed up on the last Knicks possession.
Mozgov has been a real steal for NY. They might have just found their starting center. Gallo and Randolph on the other hand are sort of worrying me, both are struggling hopefully it doesnt carry over into the season.
The Wiz will finish ahead of the New York Knicks...
I can guarantee you one thing, they are much better than your crummy sixers
The Knicks haven't even made the playoffs in like a decade and put all your cards into trying to get somebody else' players instead of developing talent you gave them away like Lee and Robinson.
And you have a coach that has never won nothing despite having the same player in his prime before injures..
The reigning 2 time MVP.
The 6th man of the year.
And the Matrix
Now D'Antonie has Ray Felton instead of Nash, And Amare after injuries with no depth and for some reason because he is coaching in NYC you guys think he is going to win you something despite still having no idea how to coach defense and not having the Matrix around to cover the flaws in the fact he can't get his teams to rebound either.
Knicks =Epic Fail
Oh and let's try to bring Isiah Thomas back to be a consultant...
You're franchise is driving in circles instead of being in the hunt...
At least the Sixers got a stash of young talent, a hall of fame coach and a legendary GM in Rod Thorn who I only wish was in Philly during the time of the draft...
Yea except those D'Antoni teams were HIGHLY competitive in one of the toughest conferences we have seen in a long time. That D'Antoni team was a few suspensions away from beating the spurs to reach the finals against a much weaker East team. As for his defense, people are too retarded to realize he is not a bad defensive coach. It seems that way because his teams play fatser hence more possesions for BOTH SIDES. The Knicks just had a pathetic defensive roster last year with ZERO size and awful guard play. In his Pheonix days the defensive EFFICIENCY was in the teens. Plus you ever think guys like Marion were MADE by D'Antoni?!?! What has Marion doen since? SQUAT. The guy just needs a decent team, Duhon at PG, Jeffries at PF and Lee at center doesn't cut it offensively and especially defensively for ANY coach in this league.
Give me a break with this legendary GM and Hall of Fame coach crap, do YOU even believe some of the crap you are saying? Big deal Thorn drafted Jordan...did you also know he DIDN'T WANT Jordan? He also pulled apart a solid Nets team and turned them into bottom feeders.
Philly was worse than the Knick last year... and had a worse summer. They got LUCKY in the lottery but have done NOTHING else to improve. Amare is better than he was 5 years ago, he is more mature and is ready to lead, don't be surprised if he is top 5 in scoring this year. Knicks have no young talent?!?! Whats Gallo, Randolph, Chandler, Walker, Douglas, Fields, Mozgov then? The Knicks have a REAL superstar and MAX cap space for next summer.... The Sixers have Elton Brand... stop kidding yourself, talking shit about the Knicks the past decade... what the &$#%#&@! has Philly done? Congrats you have had a few low playoff seeds in the past decade.
Rod Thorn built that Nets team up from being a bottom feeder then had to destroy them when ownership told him he had too. Before that Thorn constructed some masterful trades bringing in Kidd, drafting Kittles, Jefferson and Martin...Then Later bringin in Vinsanity he kept them contending...
And Amare is an amazing leader, and not to mention one of the hardest workers in all all of sports. Stoudemires work ethic is off the charts. And I think he could be top 3 in scoring this year right behind Melo and Durant. But even he don't think this is a playoffs team listening to him talk he always chooses his words more careful and says he just wants the team to improve and play as a team. He never mentions playoffs.
You can say what you want about D'antoni but the fact that he won 29 games with that team is actually great.
Think of that roster... Duhon is not even a top 40 PG in this league. Jeffries is a 10th man at best. Al Harrington is the biggest chuck and dumbest player in the NBA. Lee is good, but has no business playing C (big reason why Knicks defense was atrocious). And an array of useless SGs (Hughes, Nate, House, Tmac on one leg).
They now have a real starting PG, A real leader in Amare, size that can block shots (Turiaf, Mozgov, Randolph), improvement of their young players... its very reasonable to say that they win an extra 10-12 games from last season and get the 7-8 seed.
Sixers won less games last year and other than development of young players and turner (clearly not ready) they haven't done anything to improve their roster.
Amare is not dumb he doesn't want to guarantee playoffs because they are obviously far from a lock for a spot.... but you can't honestly tell me they aren't in contention for one.
No they are I think the Bobcats will get the 7th seed and the 8th seed will be a battle between the Sixers, Knicks, Nets, and Wizards.
amare has never been a leader hes played wiht one of the best leaders ever in nash hes not going not to be effective well as effective with out nash and no way the knicks make the play offs they arent as good as the bottom tier teams such as philly the wizards or the bob cats or the nets for that matter
This year we will see how well STAT does without Nash as his provider, the last time this happened was in 2003-04 when STAT put up 20.6ppg over 55 games so he has proved he can score without Nash in the past.
I think the pressure could be on Coach D'Antoni this year if results start going the wrong way, he is 61- 103 during his two years and whilst he may have been given two years grace as the team looked tio shed contracts. If the team doesn't show clear progression then I could imagine the fans in the Garden starting to get restless regardless of how many points the Knicks may score or how entertaining they may be to watch.
The Knicks have had other high profile coaches before who have tried and failed and Mike D'Antoni may be another.
No team can demand success,regardless of how big the Franchise is and the Knicks fans must feel the frustation as must James Dolan who spent millions during the Isiah Thomas era. Whilst Dolan rubberstamped Isiah's crazy deals he spent lots of money trying to achieve success so I don't fault him there but trying to bring Isiah back last summer does make you wonder where his logic is.
OK, anyone who thinks that Philadelphia is going to finish better than NY is smoking dope. Just wanted to get that out of the way. By default, the Knicks have a better front court. From the positions of C-PF-SF, the Knicks are better than the 76ers (back ups included). The real strength of the 76ers are the guard spots with Holiday and Iguodala. Other than that I don't see the 76ers contending for anything in the east, except a high draft pick. The battle for the 7 and 8 seeds will be between the Knicks, Pacers, Bobcats, and Nets IMO. In fact, I think that the Knicks are the 2nd best team in that division behind Boston, even though that isn't saying much. I do believe that they are better than the Nets and 76ers, and I think Toronto may very well be in the bottom 3 this year.
How can you say the Knicks have no depth Toney Douglas, Randolph, Turiaf or Mozgov, Roger Mason, Azubuike when he gets back, Fields looks good esp. for a 2nd round pick.
Not every team has an Odom or Crawford off the bench.
The Nets battling for the 8th seed they added Farmar, Farmar, Morrow, Outlaw, Murphy that won't give them 40 wins this year. They should score a lot more and have a decent but playoffs are a reach. Not many teams go fom 12 wins to the playoffs w/out adding a star player. They had to win 5 of their last 12 just to avoid the worst record ever last year. Outside of Lopez, Terrence Williams and Harris this team will struggle esp. if Murphy is hurt for a while to start the season. If they win more than 25-30 games I'll be surprised.
The Bobcats will struggle at PG and C spot outside and Tyrus Thomas is overrated. The Pacers and Wizards should improve and challenge for the 8th seed.
Thank you...The Knicks have a way better bench than most teams can even dream about. The facts that Mozgov has looked great starting and has even got D'Antoni thinking of using 10 players over his usual 8, should tell most that the Knicks have a great bench. The Knicks are a young team, but they have Veteran leadership on that team as well. Glue guys like Mason Jr., Turiaf, Azubuike (when he gets healthy), Randolph make for a great bench.
Sixers in 7.
Yea, if you say NY has no depth. Look again.
Yeah in 7 years...not with that weak front court you got.
NY have a decent bench which Coach D'Antoni may choose to use more than he has done in the past. Mosgov must now be considered a likely contender to start so Turiaf gives them extra energy off the bench and both Fields and Rautins might see some minutes before the D-League season starts. If theere was one need for the Knicks it would be for a nice veteran presence from the bench to help guide a young team. STAT has had 8 years in the league but during his time in Phoenix he always had much more experienced players alongside him.
If the Knicks had managed to get someone like Raja Bell then that would have been ideal.
The knicks have a decent bench but to say they have a bench most team would dream of is wayyyyyyyy off. Come on be realistic. Turif 'os energy but he's best ast you're second or third big man off the bench. Randolph is potential but is a 7th man or lower on just about every playoff team
Mason jr is good but there are alot of sg who can bring what he does
Add in the rookies Douglas and azubuki and it's a decent bench
Top to bottom I'll take the knicks over the sixers talent wise/offense but the sixers could end up being better because they are a better defensive team and better rebounding
I like Felton but he looks lost as the knicks starting guard and if you're pg looks lost and doesn't run the team smoothly then you have big trouble.
The thing about the nets is Harris was hurt basically the whole year and the players didn't respect the new coach they had after the fired the other coach a couple games in(players even admitted as much) plus you add in Avery Johnson and a better brook lopez(has anyone watched him during the preseason in a lil over 20min a game he damn near puts up 20-10 and every talking head is raving about him) and add in Troy Murphy who gives u 15-8 to 10 and spreads the defense and twill who's a year better and u have a very interesting roster. Let's look more indepth between them and the knicks with every one healthy
Harris is much better then Felton
Chandler is a better scorer and more versitile then morrow but not the defender twill is or the shooter morrow is but azabuki is a good defender
Gallo is better then outlaw
Amare is a better offensive player than troy. Same defense but troy is a better rebounder but not by much
Brook lopez is a wayyy better player then any of the centers combined. You may wonder why I didn't say Amare is wayyy better than Troy. I didn't because Troy can/has put up around 15-10 and no knicks center pf has shown they can do that
I'm not sure about the bench of nets. Off the top of my head I'd say the knocks have a better bench and would say have a better team if it wasn't for the defense and rebounding. The nets have 2 legit allstars at key positions plus a defensive minded coach. I'm sure d'antoni coachs some D but he will never be mistaken for a defensive coach. All this can change is Amare decides he's gonna go hard on defense and go hard on the boards.
The knicks are a possible playoff team if they rebound and defend better but they are also in a very good position for the future
Felton has actually looked really good the past few days, just needed time to adjust tothe new team. I wouldn't put Harris as MUCH better than Felton. Felton played the slowest system in the NBA, is a better defender and less injury prone. He will have a career high in pts and assists, putting him very close to Harris numbers.
Yes Harris is much better at his best when healthy. It's not even a arguement Harris at best is a allstar Felton at best is not. Can't blame Larry brown system
because other point guards haves played well and became allstars in his system
he won't be close in stays not sure if you notice but most point guards don't get career highs when playing for d'antoni
the misconception seems to be that point guards play much better under this coach because Nash did when in reality that isn't tru
New York loves overrating their players to the point I don't even like seeing them do good cuz there are a few players on the Knicks that I like. Chandler is not one of them and if anybody thinks he is better then Thad needs to do more research. Thad is more athletic. And if Chandler shoots better then how come Thad shoots a higher percent? What has Mozgoz proven to due that Hawes and Speights can't do. I will obviously concede Amare but the rest of the bigs Mozgoz, Turiaf, I dunno maybe Randolph
Hawes> Mozgoz (Hawes has proven he can score 11 points in this league a game)
Brand > Turiaf (yes Brand is over paid but he is still a better player, check the stats.)
Speights > Randolph (Randolph dont have a position and in his case its a bad thing, and Speights is one of the best scoring/shooting big men in the league)
Holiday > Felton
Turner > Chandler (Chandlers numbers are inflated in D'Antoni system and they never won nothing by starting him so he hasn't proved nothing in this league besides the fact he can pad his numbers which still arent great)
Young > Gallo ( I was going to call this a push because I really like Gallo but when it comes down to hit, he is an amazing shooter in fact such a good shooter that all he does is hang around the 3 line. I haven't saw none of his versatility. He hasn't proven to be a good passer and he is a liability on defense. Yes he is a liability on defense. Young is a tremendous defender who can guard 3 positions equally well. And he is about as efficient a scorer as they come.)
The 2 Stars.......wait for it Knick Fans
I will concede Amare is better then Iggy but it isn't as far as you think. Why do you think the Suns wanted to trade Amare to the Sixers last year for Iggy and we said NO! Amare is injury prone and doesn't protect the rim. And Iggy is a great teammate does what it takes to win, fills up a box score and is an elite defender, and he plays all 82 every year.
Amare is a beast tho.
Not saying I like young or Chandler better but shooting a higer percentage doesn't mean you're a better shooter. Rondo shoots a higher percentage then alot of point guards but he's not a better shooter. Go look at 82games dot com and check true shooting percentage which takes out dunks and layups and only count midrange long jumpers and threes
And u can't pick
hawes because he's proven
more then turn around and pick holiday over Felton when Felton has proven more
Same thing with turner over Chandler. You contradicting you're self
Wow.... I never thought I'd see the day when Stanford was going to respond in defense of the Knicks... well more in defense of logic... but I'm still shocked.
I dont see many people even saying the Knicks will be over .500. I don't understnad how anyone here is overrating the Knicks or their players. Mozgov's looked good, Randolph looks confused, Amar'e looks focused, Chandler looks like a different player (in a good way), Felton looks like he'll have trouble finding open jumpers with his size, Gallo looks off, Douglas looks intense, Turiaf looks like a pretty bad player with a good motor, Mason looks iffy.
Really, the Knicks season will probably come down to someone solidifying the center position with Mozgov as my early favorite. He's mobile and big and provides better low post defense than anyone on the roster. His foul trouble will be the determinant of his playtime.
Does anyone else think that Felton could be the key to the Knicks this year perhaps even more so than STAT as he will be their ball carrier and the person who Coach D'Antoni runs his offence through. Felton could be suited to this role as he is very durable having collected up high MPG's under Coach Brown at Charlotte and with Coach D'Antoni's love of using a tight roster,a guy who can go for 35mpg plus night after night especially on a fast break team is a must.
I think that around .500 has to be the Knicks target this year if everyone stays sound and they keep the current roster, if a big trade happens then everything changes. The key is to progress and make the team more attractive to potential FA's next summer, forget the market size and the value of the franchise for a team like the Knicks with no real success for a decade, having a decent team that can challenge may be more important than any kudos the team's name brings when it comes to recruiting top FA's.
Also there is no need to limit their pursuit to superstar players as there may well be more complimentary type players available as FA's next summer and if the Knicks don't land a big name then adding a couple of these type of players may be a sound move to pave the way for a future top FA signing as stars perhaps like having the rock solid workhorse type players on the team as much as other stars.
A lockout could actually suit the Knicks as their roster is young and they could then maybe go all in for the 2012 FA sweepstakes if there was a lockout next year.
I keep forgetting they still have Curry sucking up 11 million to do nothing. Combine that with fact that most of the players on the roster are on 1-year contracts means the team has tons of flexibility in the future.