Why Monroe over Cousins?
Many people who have made mock drafts have projected the Kings drafting Greg Monroe over Demarcus Cousins or drafting Cousins to trade away to Detroit for Monroe and Tayshaun Prince (who the Kings seriously don't need). The reasoning for this is Monroe is a Chris Webber/Vlade Divac type player from the Kings' glory days. Now, as good as those teams were, they never made it to the NBA Finals. Meanwhile, the teams who had been winning championships like the Lakers, Pistons, and Spurs had dominant big men, similar to the type of basketball played by Cousins. On top of that, we just got rid of a soft Monroe-type center in Spencer Hawes and it is clear that we are trying to get more physical with guys like Tyreke, Casspi, Landry, and Dalembert, among others.
If you still think the Kings would prefer Monroe over Cousins, feel free to say why.
by Cuz. they also like Aminu alot. They like "good" people and apparently from all sources think Cuz is too risky
cuz has a cjhance to be a real good player... but monroe ppl are forgetting can be a real good player himself. If your building a franchise around a scoring point its good to have a good player who is unselfish then another player who can be great but will bump heads with ur franchis player nd hoo is selfish
One Word For cOUSIONS Sac!
I like Monroe more than him.
I'm praying for Cousins. I don't see anything special in Monroe, he's good but I don't see greatness. I'd say he's adecent complementory player.
Cousins is just so much more aggressive and physical, with a high skill level to boot. I think this kid could destroy many NBA frontcourts right now, just imagine when he hits his prime what a beast he will be to stop in the paint. He can be a great player, a 20 and 12 guy.
To me this is a no brainer. To me there is no reason that is basketball related for the Kings drafting Monroe, other than the ridiculous idea that we need another passing big man because of Webber, Vlade, etc...
I dont know maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't put to much stock in to "attitude concerns" as much as some people. I kinda like a little bit of nastiness in my players truthfully, the Kings could use more of that.
the kings were the best team in 2002. they got cheated in game 6 and if that bhad not happened they would have gone to the finals and killed the nets. to pretend that they werent good enough to make the finals is a mockery. more like not marketable enough
But more talent in Monroe than in Cousins. In todays NBA he can get up and down the court better in a fast pace game and create more open shots and mismatches.He will play a better team game suited for the NBA. I think Cousins is more physical inside, but Monroe has more overall talent. I think the team will improve more by having Monroe than having Cousins. I like tough players too, but head case is a head case. That don't make you tough. He needs to get himself into tip top shape being Cousins. Thats tough.Cousins has a good future if he wants it. Listening to him talk worries me, seems like the money could make he go off the deep end lol
We wouldve ran over the nets like a 16 wheeler over a minicoop... They wouldve won it that year but damn refs I mean he admitted to cheating
Well hopefully whatever Petrie does works out in the long run. He did get us Evans over Rubio, but a few years ago he drafted Quincy Douby over Rajon Rondo. So we'll see what happens. I don't want the Kings to draft Aminu though, Donte and Omri are still developing and have shown promise. We have depth at both forward positions, but we still need another center. I think getting rid of Spencer, although providing us with another center, has guaranteed Monroe or Cousins because Landry and Thompson are definitely power forwards, not centers.
Monroe over Cousins because the risk reward ratio. Monroe will def be a good player, Cousins has a bigger upside , but his down side is Eddy Curry. Once Cousins get too comfortable he will eat himself out of the league. He has no discipline.
It's funny that once again people who aren't from Sacramento think they know what's going on. We gave NO players that resemble the "glory days" can you remember a tyreke Evans? A ball dominant dynamic wing player? Or what about a Carl landry? A tweener at power forward but is tough as nails? Jason Thompson? A hustle guy who grabs boards and puts all he has on the floor... We had no guys like that. We were so talented that we didn't feel Luke we needed to hustle and be scrappy and we were too finesse to be tough as nails. That's the main thing we lacked was toughness and even though we had a better team than the lakers in 02 they were tougher and they beat us. (we did get cheated however) and besides drafting Monroe and starting him alongside dalembert would make us so skinny up front. Yeah we'd be kinda long but we'd get bullied and Monroe isn't the toughest guy either. Also to touch on the whole "the kings covet Monroe more than cousins" cousins had a much better workout than Monroe. Also if you think back to last year we were in contact with rubio SO much and we still didn't take him. The only reason we are working out Monroe is because in the situation that cousins isn't available we know for sure whether or not we want Monroe. Also WE DONT WANT AMINU... everyone thinks he'd be great but why would we add ANOTHER 3 to the mix especially one that can't shoot? Not to mention he's a tweener. He can't stay with NBA level 3s and he'll get demolished by 4s. We've had no workouts and we have none scheduled with him. We've only worked out bigs and combo guards. I honestly think the Monroe workout is another smokescreen to make people believe we don't want cousins. I listen to 1140 here in Sacramento and I know what's going on. I read the papers I hear what insiders IN SACRAMENTO have to say every day. Not just these light bulbs that pop into random people heads on this website and claim to know what they are talking about or what they think would make us successful. And we don't care about playing like we did back in the early 2000s we're a different team and this is a different era. I guess everyone will just have to wait and see this Thursday to understand what's going on
Also I don't know if I'm the only one that realized this, but if you go to sacbee.com and look up the sports section from last Sunday the day after the cousins favors workout, you'll see that we were really impressed by cousins. Then THE VERY NEXT DAY on this website and many other with mock drafts, they changed cousins being our pick to Monroe. Anyone else confused? I know it had some to do with the pistons really wanting cousins and then there was this proposal that someone came up with involving tayshaun prince and is drafting cousins for Detroit and them Monroe for us and exchange the two. Also that deal included nocioni because that would helped with absorbing prince's contract but we just dealt nocioni. I just find it funny. I have a theory and I think people don't want us to draft cousins because they want him to be in a bigger city with brighter lights because they feel their will be storylines to follow throughout the years involving cousins and they'd rather him be in Detroit or Minnesota or Philadelphia, anywhere but Sacramento. They want the pressure of what they are saying to get to someone in the front office hoping it sways us away from cousins. Unfortunately petrie is much smarter than all this and it's not going to work. Minnesota would be dumb to draft cousins as anyone would be dumb to draft a guy that won't workout for their team. David Kahn has done dumber things though so I won't put It past him. I also think cousins to Minnesota I'd more of what people want than what will actually happen. There may have been an interview really early on by minny with cousins but nothing recent. Philly isn't going to take him because they currently have no one who could even get cousins the ball on a consistent basis. They lack a real playmaker and they'll go with turner. Favors makes a ton more sense than cousins in new jersey as they already have an established center in lopez. Minny's situation is what I was saying leaving us. We'll Dee what happens but I'm telling you if he's available we won't even need the 5 minutes that teams are given to decide on who we are taking
Yeah I live in Sacramento too, and i totally agree with you! Every rumor I've heard about Prince to Sacramento has gone something like: Detroit gets the dominant big man they need in Cousins. Oh yeah, and the Kings also get someone that plays like Webber. Everybody is happy, right? Wrong! man i dont see why we would trade away Cousins if we draft him its as though the Kings have just become an afterthought.
By a slight margin. Every championship team has a 6'10+ Center that can bang down low, clog up some space, alter drives/ shot attempts. That being said, there are very few bigs in the NBA with a extremely high-skill level. Cousins is is going to be called upon to do the dirty work + back to basket shot attempts and probably more boards then Monroe. Monroe on the other hand may have some more skill to his game (face up), and hes not that much shorter then Cousins, he is'nt the banging Center teams should really covet. All in all both I feel will be good prospects Ill be happt if the Warriors don't screw up by picking someone other then one of them.
BTW: My gut tells me the Kings will take Cousins...... if hes there
cuz is a fat slob thats why they want monroe
I actually think Monroe will go ahead of Cousins, because of two reasons. One-Attitude problems, not very teams like selecting head cases, because of the damage it can do to the team chemistry. Monroe also reminds the Kings of Divac, a very successful the Kings used back in their glory days of Chris Webber, and Stojakavic. The Kings might want to try the old days style again. So Monroe would go ahead of Cousins, and I think he will be the better, because he can be effective without the ball Monroe is actually more passive than anything else, so he would be a great fit for Sac-town since a sensation in Tyreke. He can be a star but he is only effective as is Cousins. Evans and Cousins would not work because there aren't enough balls around to make these two happy. Drafting Cousins ahead of Monroe would be like the Heat pick in '08. The heat passed on Mayo that year who would have been a better fit, and now they are regretting and are thinking of trading Beasley.
I read your reasoning, you sactown fans, but I just think that drafting another ball dominant big man will mess up your chemistry. Don't forget about the Heat when they drafted Beasley over Mayo. Mayo was the better fit and Pat Riley knew it, he just couldn't pass up the kind of talent Beasley had and still has he just needs to go to another team where he can be the #1 guy. Drafting Cousins over Monroe will be just like Miami drafting Beasley over Mayo, a big mistake.
Also you guy may not think that the attitude deal with Cousins is a problem but you are not the ones actually making the picks. The GM's are, and they value their team's chemistry very high. Cousins is just the sort of player that can ruin a team's chemistry because of his attitude problems. Cousins is going to either Detroit or GSW. Probably GSW because they have the higher pick.
Yeah, I agree. I don't understand at all why scouts put so much into "good" people. What does "good" mean anyway in this situation? Someone who doesn't play with passion on the court and wants to win? You can't judge whether the guy is a good guy or not just because of this.
I disagree with you wesleymatthews... The situations with beasley and cousins are different. In college beasley was only asked to score. Thats all and thats it. He wasn't asked to defend, or rebound, or do anything else except score exorbitant amounts of points and thats what he did. So when he was drafted by a team that already had a scoring superstar and wanted their identity to be defensive, he wasnt used to these things at all, and therefore his transition has been what we've witnessed. I also never thought that beasley was passionate for the game. He's just really talented and in college was able to showcase his talent without much resistance. In the NBA he's had depression issues and has shown no real passion for the game. Demarcus cousins however is one of the more passionate players we'll have seen in quite some time, and he's a big man. There has definitely been a fair share of fiery guards, but this is a fiery big man with a ton of talent and thats what you want. And besides monroe isn't a better fit. We need an identity up front and that means someone who is going to impose his will on the other team physically. Monroe is 6'10 and weighs around 240 (the last time i checked anyway) and he's 11% body fat so this guy definitely isn't all that strong and thats the last thing we want and need. We're changing our identity and monroe is just a ploy in the case that cousins isnt available
To understand what the scouts are saying you would have to understand that basketball is a team game. As a team they travel/play together as a team. One player "piss'n in the pool" can be enough to ruin team chemistry or make other players not want to be part of a team. Figure it out.... have you ever worked with a person you can't stand being around? Now imagine yourself going on the road with this person to 41 destinations per year (+playoffs) and dealing with them on a daily basis.
These days players have alot of say in the direction teams head and decisions they make. To be a successful franchis in the NBA you have to win games. Sometimes to win games you must rebuild a team, and you will need a franchise player to begin building around. While building around that player you want to make sure he is happy wit5h his situation and looks forward to staying with his franchise.
Tyreke Evans is Sacramento's franchise player as we saw with the Kevin Martin trade. He has publicly stated in an ESPN Magazine article that if given the chance he would draft Demarcus Cousins with the 5th overall pick.If Evans can make a statement like that publicly than I'm shore the Kings orginization knows about Rekes personal wishes.
Do not quote me on this information I read it on NBADRAFT.NET from SpencerHawesIsAwesome and have not found any evidence backing it.
Also attitude should not make Cuz's stock slip. Boston Celtics had the most technical fouls all year. Perkins and Wallacewere 1 and 2 in being T'd up. Ron Artest is the most wild man as far as behaviour and unpredictability goes in the NBA (not including Arenas who is just stupid) and he was the MVP of game 7 of the NBA Championship Finals, he won LA that game with his no respect attitude.
If anything I'd want to plug a player with an atitude like that into my system AND CHANNEL IT into an intesity and meanness to destroy his opponents.
Cousins is definitely a team player. He did what he could for the Wildcats last year. Better yet, he only played about 20 mpg, so that is enough to show he will sacrifice for the team. Taking charges is also another indicator of a non-selfish player who is about the team and Cousins drew them this last season. Just because he shows his emotions on the court means he is a bad person or has a bad attitude? I think not... Yeah, he gets into it on the court, but ultimately, do you know what that means? He is physically and verbally showing he wants to win, and he sacrifices his game as shown to win! Does this say anything about his character? No. We have know idea how he is off the court.
For example, Kendrick Perkins is one of the best examples of a NBA player who gets emotional like Cousins, but many of the Celtics players vouched that he is one of the nicest/best character guys on the team. Players actually like playing with guys like that. I'm sure that they don't like it when they get T'ed up, but in no way is that detrimental to a Team. Rasheed was one of the most T'ed up guys in the league on the Pistons squad that made 2 finals apperances and all those eastern finals, but guess what? The Pistons' fans loved him and his team mates loved him too. Cousins' character is a non-issue. Now, if he's gotten arrested or failed drug tests or something, then I would be questioning his character.
Cousins averaged 23.5 min per game not because he was a team player, but because that all he could go before getting tired and into foul trouble.LOL Funny take though! You had me thinking that you might have actually seen him play for second there. Figure it out.
Regardless, you can't argue that he didn't give it his all. Yeah, he gets into foul trouble, but he still put his body on the line. And you have yet to prove that he isn't a good team mate or that people don't like to play with him. Better yet, how can you gauge his character by what he does on the court? People like Rasheed Wallace pretty much makes your points moot about players with alleged character and attitude problems. Rasheed has been said to be a great team mate by players of the past Pistons and his Celtics squad. Some of the biggest stars in the league complain and talk shit on the court, and A LOT of them were in the finals.. Does that make them a hazard to their team? Not necessarily...
I'd be worried more about players with big egos then players who express themselves on the court.
I'm assuming you watched some Kentucky games last year, right? Didn't you notice the terrible body language Cousins constantly seemed to have whenever things didnt go his way? I saw it over and over. And not so much on the court as when he was sitting on the bench. Im not saying the guy doesnt play hard or his intensity on the floor is an issue, but his attitude beyond those things was just wrong on far too many occasions. To put it simply, he pouts. And most GM's don't want to touch a guy that can't constructively deal with his own emotions. During the interview process at the combine, when he was asked about the perceived attitude issues, he refused to acknowledge them and tried to put the blame on the media. That was a huge red flag. "Everyone else is wrong, Im right", is essentially what he was saying. He's just a kid so that might change with age and a little more maturity but most teams aren't gonna take that chance on such a high draft pick. DO I think he can play? Yep. Within two years I'd guess he's getting a solid 20 a game. But is it going to be a good 20 or a 'first 7 years of ZRandolph 20' ( another guy viewed as immature)? It's taken that long for Randolph to become a respected team player, even though he put up really good numbers his entire career. But it happend on what, his 3rd or 4th team? So the team that drafted him sure didnt reap those rewards, hence the concern being shown buy a few gm's about Cousins' maturity.
That said, I still wouldnt take Monroe over him. I'd just make sure I could hire that shrink Artest was thanking the other day to work with him.
Again, we can just hope Petrie makes the right choice. Either way, I just really hope we dont get Aminu. Monroe and Cousins are two entirely different prospects that can both help the Kings in their own way. If we do end up with Monroe, I would prefer it to be a trade with Golden State or Detroit after we draft Cousins so we can add another piece as well. Preferably a guard since we seem pretty good at forwards and center.
those sacramento teams were a long time ago and their team now has a different identity. tyreke is a ball dominant play maker that has a suspect jumpshot. so a thought could be that cuz will clog up the lane for reke and monroe could spread the floor a little better and is a good passer. but sacramento doesnt strike me as a up tempo team and thompson and landry at the 4, greene and casspi at the 3 and udrih at the point they have shooters to keep defenders honest, so i thin cousins would be a great fit(better than monroe) for sacramento. the questions about his character are for the teams to look at but on the court ill take cousins. besides i would like to see monroe in golden state.