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WHY KOBE PROB CANT EVE BE BETTER THEN JORDAN

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Kobe will probably never surpass Jordan in accomplishments like MVP's and defensive player of the year. He might catch him in the titles department since he is still 30 and has probably 5 solid years left. But I don't think you should hold Kobe's game face sneer against him. Besides Tex Winter himself said that Jordan would have never averaged 30 points a game if he played with a prime Shaq like Kobe did for 8 years. After Shaq left, Kobe did all the individual stuff he possibly could but did'nt have neough help. Now that he has help, he has gone to 2 straight Finals.

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not sure why ya'll still are

not sure why ya'll still are argueing the majority of the people already confirmed that there skills sets where simmilar..neither has a real big edge...thats dgrizz onion reguadless what the majority says..right now jordan is better but kobe is close thats pretty universal...dgrizz..that dunk wasnt from the free throw line though he stepped where brent barry step so please dont use that as an example..lol..if thats the case people are gonna start using kobes 81....yes both players where amazing happens...josh i would add mentally and will to skills but at the same time when theres a player profile im not sure if thats put up there with skills ill have to check it out

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not sure why ya'll still are

not sure why ya'll still are argueing the majority of the people already confirmed that there skills sets where simmilar..neither has a real big edge...thats dgrizz onion reguadless what the majority says..right now jordan is better but kobe is close thats pretty universal...dgrizz..that dunk wasnt from the free throw line though he stepped where brent barry step so please dont use that as an example..lol..if thats the case people are gonna start using kobes 81....yes both players where amazing happens...josh i would add mentally and will to skills but at the same time when theres a player profile im not sure if thats put up there with skills ill have to check it out

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very true

i have read some comments and they are dead on correct. kobe isnt liked by all of his peers or fans and therefore can never be better than jordan. Kobe could have the better skill set and all the achievements in the world but jordan rep has been established and cant be messed with.jordan went outside basketball and went to movies, he tried baseball which was very unsucessful, and he went 2 the fashion world and dominated. his shoes can never be outdone and that could be a great reason 4 no one ever coming close

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Why do people front like

Why do people front like Jordan played with such solid players when the Bulls where winning championships... He had Pippen (Hall of Famer), Rodman (arguably greatest rebounder of all time), and a bunch of spare parts.... Anybody who has seen Jordan play understands why he is the HNIC when it comes to ANY argument of who is the best wing player ever...

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well dont underplay some of

well dont underplay some of the other players..hoarce grant was a allstar one year and a very very good player the other years...brian williams or bison dele was a very good player also..bill cartwright was a great defender..pretty much when you have the best player in the game and the second best player in the game ( or top5 what ever u wanna call pippen)..you can put average players around them and do pretty good...thats what the lakers did also with kobe and shaq.because with players as great as those four all you need is to fill in gaps...a rebounder a shooter a defender...you put lebron and kobe together and you can put the knicks roster with them and they will win it

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i agree with u on jordan being the best but u gotta take serious consideration into wat josh said. Jordan didnt just have anybody with him on those teams. lets not forget about the shooters they had. they kept replacing the point with good shooter after good shooter. example jon paxson and steve kerr. and his big men may not hav ebeen scorers but they did their job when it came 2 rebounding and playing D. but also with that i must say thats wat made jordan so great. He seemed to make ordinary guys look way better than they were. the fact that jordan was so dominant opened the door for kerr and paxson to hit the clutch jumpers they hit.

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I can see Josh's point and

I can see Josh's point and it is a very good point but would for instance could Lebron or Kobe win 6 with the teams Jordan played on???? Personally I think Kobe and Lebron are better than Pippen so they porbaly would win. But I still dont think they would win 6 together...The Bulls had knock down shooters but really they where always WIDE OPEN.... Horace Grant was good player but he was replaceable and the other players Josh named where very average... Kobe doesnt have Jordans mentality or instinct thats why he can never be like Jordan....

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hey

I dont remember many times Michael choked up in the finals like Kobe did in game 3.

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because

because mj never lost a final series. arguably, kobe has had great casts and always another extremely good player with him in the finals...yet he's lost twice and choked pretty bad.

jordan made 6/6

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kobe's two lost finals

Kobe did not shoot well in 2004, or 2008. But don't put those losses on him. IN 2004, Malone was unable to play and RWallace torched Slave Medvedenko. Also, Payton went compleley AWOL. Shaq did'nt play very well himself. In fact Kobe was the reason the Lakers even won one game.

As for 2008, the Lakers were without 2 starters in Bynum and Ariza, and that left the Lakers soft. People like to talk about how Kobe was out played by Pierce, but Pierce got to go straight up aginst guys like Radmanovic and Walton. Meanwhile Kobe was getting swarmed by multiple defenders everytime he touched the ball. Dude had no one step up to help him.

Kobe's got 4 titles and been to the finals 6 times by age 30 and people still want to tear him down.

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kobe was for the most part defended by ray allen. at times they threw pierce on him. how small a factor bynum was for this years playoffs. he would have helped against boston dramatically though...it always seems boston can't do anything to guy. even if ariza played, that finals would have went boston's way.

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Kobe was getting swarmed by multiple defenders, and Posey gaurded him as much as anybody. And the way Bynum and Ariza helped the Lakers sweep the c's this year makes me think the Finals would have been different. Say what you want about bynum, but do you honestly think Powe and Perkins would have had their way against Bynum? I expect we will see the rematch in 2010.

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i think

i think you misread what i said, no beef. what i meant was, bynum demolishes the celtics even with garnett on the floor healthy.

ariza would not have changed anything against the celtics in 07-08.

also, bynum was a small factor these playoffs, but i think it was just knee recovery getting to him.

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i hear you

I misunderstood. I remember Artest shutting down Pierce in the playoffs back when he was in Indaina. I think Ron gaurds Pierce as well as anybody. This year, the Lakers let Fish chase Ray around while Kobe played off Rondo helping everyone else while daring Rondo to shoot. Rondo's inabilty to hit jumers or get into the lane aginst a longer defender who plays off him is why the Lakers swept boston this year. I don't understand why more teams don't gaurd the C's with that same philosophy.

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true

but the celtics look much more difficult this upcoming season. if they get glen back and the addition of sheed, this team is very strong in big men. with perkins and garnett starting, they have sheed, powe and glen to back them up. with pau being much stronger now and bynum back to 100%, do you think it would be enough to dominate the celtics big men?

i'm gonna start a post involving the tougher teams in 09-10, come to it k, i know it's gonna be an interesting debate there lol.

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I think

The c's and Lakers will both win their respective confrences next year and meet in the Finals. It should be great and I don't see anybody dominating anybody. But I like the Lakers chances assuming they resign Odom and Bynum can play like he was before the injuries each of the last 2 seasons.

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jordan jordan

jordan was the better one, and kobe ain't gonna beat the BEST player. the fade away, the levitation, hangtime, the sky is the limit acts, he's air jordan! i won't put kobe even better than magic and bird, so how can you say he's better than MJ?

remember when mj scored 60+ against celtics in his 2nd or 3rd year? "i think god disguised as michael jordan" if i'm not mistaken. and i heard this in one commercial..

they say MJ raw on offense - he led the league in scoring for 7 consecutive seasons
they say MJ was undersized - he averaged 8 rebs at 6'5"
they say MJ can't play defense - he won defensive player of the year award
they say MJ is a ball hog - he bacame the bulls' alltime assists leader
they say MJ isn't a team player - he won 6 championships with the bulls
they say MJ won't be great - 5 MVP's, 6 trophies, greatest of all.

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