why didnt they work out/ prove more
i wonder why some guys just dont pan out and y some guys didnt live up to the hype
so i want ur guys' opinions on y u think these players didnt pan out/ didnt live up to the hype.. im really eager to know what u guys think
telfair-bust ( so much hype outta HS)
tyrus thomas ( dont think hes a complete bust, but def. on his way)
marvin williams ( dont think hes a bust, but def not worth the 2nd overall pick)
okafor (a lot of buzz with him before he got drafted, but i dont think he has lived up to the 2nd overall pick at all)
Gerald Green (couldve became a really good player)
Yi Jianlian ( an absoulute p*ssy when it comes to bball, but hes a very good athlete)
Maybe they were just over hyped players..Bradon Wright was way overrated.. Tyrus Thomas had a good tournment, his season was medicore...alot of players are just overhyped.
Every started going goo-goo ga-ga over Yi after he had a great workout against chairs. That's why you have to closely evaluate these guys during actual games.
Yi just sucks to me. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but you would too if your team had him starting as many as he did when our starters were injured.
He's skinny, soft, has no post moves, has no handles, is a poor rebounder,and has small hands. He can only dunk with two hands because they're so small, and that's why he struggles to finish around the rim and gets his S*IT swatted so much. And he charmin-soft.
The only thing he kind of has going for him is his jumpshot, but it's very streaky. There were a few occasions where he was on fire, but everytime he started playing well, he got injured. And other nights, he couldn't make a basket.
I honetly thought Gerald Green was going to be a good player....Joe Alanxander i kind of had a feeling hat wouldnt pan out (probobly didnt think has gonna be this bad but still)
telfair-While he was an excellent ball handler and adequete court vision, it could not compensate for his Below average size 6'0 180lbs, poor shooter, and at times a poor decision maker at the point. A career back up PG.
Joe alexander- Good athleticism, but lacked any type of skills both at SF or PF.
tyrus thomas - Hasn't develop any type of offense. Defensively he is good and a good rebounder, but he is poor offensively w/ poor basketball IQ.
marvin williams - Surounded by many scorers, and will never get his opportunity in ATL. A change of scenery may be best suited, but even that won't help fulfill the expectation. Similar career to Al Harrington.
okafor - He's not a bust, and is a good starting Center. I don't know why he's on this list. NO, he's not on Dwight's level but I can hardly call the guy a bust.
Gerald Green - Just didn't improve on his perimeter game.
Yi Jianlian - Seems soft to me. A 6'11 forward that tries real hard to play as if he's 6'5. Doesn't utilize his size for mismatch against opposing PF.
brandon wright - Just too thin and weak. He's been in the league for 3+ seasons now, and he still weigh under 220lbs. Just not strong enough to play +30 min at PF.
Emeka Okafor has averaged a double double plus 1.8 blocks on his career. I don't think you could call him a bust at all. He wasn't projected to be a big time scorer and with his 9'2'' standing reach and strength, he's going to be giving offensive players trouble for quite some time. Those are his strengths as a player and two things that do not deterorate with age.
Yeah Joe and Yi are interesting because they can both jump out of the gym (for their size) but frankly just aren't that good at playing basketball. Joe was obviously kind of a stiff who happened to be so freakishly strong that he could jump high enough to over power college players. Yi is really tall and jumps well for a 6' 10" guy. He shoots jumpers so people start thinking he is going to be the Chinese Dirk. Turns out he shoots jumpers but doesn't actually make jumpers, at least not at a good enough clip to be a real offensive weapon.
It goes back to, I'm not drafting a guy unless I see him dominate good competition. I don't care what you do in half court drills with no defenders. I don't care what your vertical jump is. I'm also not drafting a guy who doesn't actually look that good at basketball. He should be doing all aspects of basketball against lesser competition, so I want to see some passing and dribbling even from the big men. I may not need you to do that once you get to the NBA, but if you couldn't do it in high school against that competition, then I think you've got problems.
i dont think okafor is a bust at all
hes a good player and all but i dont think hes worth the 2nd overall pick at all
most of the guys you named were drafted off of potential alone, Tyrus Thomas exploded in the tourney ala McDyess, but McDyess was way better as far as his scoring, Thomas was just raw but drafted off his athleticism. Some of these guys may be better suited at another position, like Okafor at PF, then again Okafor is a really good player outside the injuries he had his first few years. Marvin Williams and Branden Wright just didnt show much improvement in their all around games...couldve been work ethic for them. I really dont know what to say about Green...he was very skilled at a lot of things but perhaps his BBIQ didnt fit in with a lot of teams needs.
I think in most cases, these guys were tremendous talents...and thats enough to get you by in HS and College, but to be really good in the league, you have to either a) develop your all around game or b) become a specialist
Gerald Green drives me nuts. He had (has) all the physical tools to be a great player in the league let alone being in the NBA. I don't think he ever had to work on his game much and relied on his size and athletic abilities too much through high school. Could have used at least a year of college to be held accountable, go through a year of a college strength and conditioning program and learn defensive fundamentals.
telfair-too short,skinny, bad shooter, not an explosive leaper, and bought into the hype too much.
alexander-never developed into a 3 and was never given a chance as a 4. injuries didnt help early on.
tyrus- no bball IQ. not to mention PJ Brown left town, leaving Tyrus w/o a good mentor.
marvin-was drafted to high to a team with no desire to develop him properly. didnt help that early on they thought he and J-Smoove played too much alike.
okafor-was turned into a center by default and was never put back to his natural 4 spot thus causing him to lose all 4 skills he once had. hard to end up what ws expected of him when you're a short 6'10 and dont have the insane vert to make up for it.
Green-low bball IQ because he didn't go to college along with a poor wor ethic. didn't help that he seemed to find himself year 2 but was not given much of a chance when he was traded to minny.
YI- you already stated his issue. he a big pusscake.
wright-too injury prone, was sent to a team that has no idea what a big man is, and never fully developed that perimeter game that was expected of him. lack of a j hurt as well
Everyone else you listed was a bust hands down.
Telfair- 2 small, tons of hype.
Joe Alexander- Athletic white guy, thats it.
Tyrus thomas- same with stromile swift as far as abilities. he's still young...
Marvin Williams- Who knows why this guy didnt pan out, id like to see him go to cleveland where he the opportunity to dominate the ball and see what he can do, just give him one year with that instead of having to share with joe and josh, he needs a change but for now bust.
Okafor- Not worthy of a number 2 pick, go back and look at that draft. who else was worthy? no one. charlotte needed a face of their franchise they got it. okafor was ROY and has been a solid starting center in the league. def. not a bust and worthy of the number 2 pick esp. coming off a championship graduating in 3 years. stand up guy great starting center/power forward for a franchise without a face.
Green- to young i guess. needed some seasoning at the college level before making the jump. I thought big things were gonna come from him. dissapiontment.
Yi- "The next yao"....to much pressure, not enough dedication in the weight room to improve his strength and area that he was clearly lacking.
Wright--UNC hype, haha. jk. again a tweener 6'9-6'10'' but rail thin. not consistent ends up getting bench splinters.
Why didn't they workout?
Eddy Curry- became enamored with the BK Quad Stacker
You're killing me!! Eddy "Chicken" Curry.
Everyone was enamored with Alexander's athletic ability. Could put his chin on the rim, ran the 3/4 court sprint faster than almost all the guards, and is built like a tight end. Maybe should have played football! In all seriousness though, I thought on sheer athletic ability alone he would be good for 10 and 6. Mea culpa?
vocab jocker lol
telfair - (too much hype, went straight to his head)
Joe alexander- (the high flying stuff just didnt translate to the big leagues)
tyrus thomas (way too much hype after a good tourny...i think he is still decent and not quite a bust)
marvin williams (decent player...doesnt really have a defined position...over hyped)
okafor (hes actually been pretty good? i donno why hes on here)
Gerald Green (no work ethic....complete retard)
Yi Jianlian ( cant play defense)