[Tim49461Participant]

i always wanted to get into a nice heated discussion over this topic. I feel like it is one that everyone would enjoy reading and feel the need to add their two cents.

Personally, i feel like their are a lot of recruits that would develop so much more if they chose the right school instead of the tradition or hottest team.

Even though i shouldn’t be going against my coach like this even though I’m a Michigan native. I believe Michigan State University should be the one pulling top 10 recruits every year. We all know Tom Izzo is thee best development coach in the game and the best preparation coach ( Sorry Cal if you read this some how . Izzo can only work with the talent he is given.

I feel like it is a crying shame that kids shy away from this school because he doesn’t have one and doners. Imagine Harrison Barnes playing at MSU, this kid would be amazing by the end of the year. He would improve his defense and rebounding to a level that NBA scouts would drool over. Offensively, i mean come on Williams how hard is it to play run and gun. Now place Barnes in a structured system like MSU’s and there will no doubt this kid will be able to play in a half court set.

Basically what im asking for here is, If you’re a recruit what coach would you want to play for and why ( is he going to develop you, give you time, etc. )

[JNixonParticipant]

Frank Martin. Outstanding coach/mentor, has developed players in his short time at K-State, understands how to put players in situations to succeed, and his players take on his personality. AND, it’s my dream college which makes it all the more easier for me to choose.

[Tim49461Participant]

i didnt do any research into this but hasn’t all of frank martin’s successful players been through Huggins recruiting?

[OhCanada-Participant]

Harrison Barnes is already amazing and since when is Izzo the best development Coach. There is Coach K, Rick Barnes (who maybe a bad Coach overall but noone can doubt his abillity to put players in the L), Calipari,Bill Self and a handful of Coaches who could be in the arguement.

[Da1potParticipant]

I agree with you, but also for a different reason. Michigan State consistently has one of the most difficult schedules in the country and playing against top-level college competition is a great way to prepare for the NBA.

[JNixonParticipant]

Yeah most of them would’ve played for Huggins, but the guys left (Pullen and Samuels) where recruited by Martin. He’s responsible for developing everyone though.

[FastAndFuriousParticipant]

Coach Izzo produces GREAT COLLEGE PLAYERS, not NBA players, just look at his track record, starting with Kelvin Torbert.

Zach Randolph was smart for leaving early,

[OhCanada-Participant]

Quite honestly thou I think it would be cool if Isaiah Austin or Andre Drummond go to a school known for developing good big men like Uconn or Georgetown. Uconn hasnt been getting that many good recruits lately but Calhoun is anyther great coach.

[Tim49461Participant]

Right im not doubting you that he did a amazing job developing pullen and others, but im still waiting for him to make a splash in the recruiting circuit. He is a poor man’s izzo right now, but martin will be great once he starts getting recuits.

@ohCanada
Those are great coaches but look at the talent level MSU has over Duke, UK, UNC, KU. Those programs consistently pull in top 10 recruits. MSU has had one top 10 recruit in the last, god i want to say 10 years ( correct me if im wrong) and that was D. Roe who has not played like it. But you get the picture MSU has been to more final fours then those programs in the last 10 years with lower talent.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Eh, I would go Coach K.

I think Coach K could pull tons of potential role players and superstars into the NBA. The issue is some haven’t panned out but I think he has 5 NBA players on the roster ( Mason Plumlee, Dawkins, Smith, Singler and Irving) and with that- I think we could continue to see this increasing amount of players going to Duke then to the NBA.

Miles Plumlee and Seth Curry will need more time but they COULD be NBA player.

[Demarcus OnealParticipant]

They players should make the best decision for themselves and go to which ever college they want to go to and gives them the best chance to succed in their eyes

[McDunkin]

honestly I think Bob Knight…He could stille be coaching now and was a great coach/disciplinarian and he could have helped straighten out some of these players with “bad attitudes”

But as far as active coaches go i would have to say coach k or bruce weber

[Tim49461Participant]

Not knocking Coach K when i say this but Izzo has barely any NBA players and still has been to more final fours ( I would even consider just handing him one this coming season to ). MSU vs Duke this year is going to be a amazing game to watch. Not only player wise but just sheer coaching ability is going to be display.

Also not to be mean but this is whats wrong with kids now a days. They rather go Duke, UNC,Uconn, Uk(once again sorry). Instead of teams like MSU, Kstate, Butler etc. Teams with amazing coaches. But they only see that Kevin Durant went to Texas, Kobe wanted to play at Duke.

We all know damn certain that Msu, Kstate etc. got top 10 recruits every year, these prestigious schools would be off the radar.

[SteroidParticipant]

As mentioned earlier in this thread, Izzo isn’t the best developmental coach for NBA talent. He is good at coaching mediocre players up and making them good COLLEGE talent. NBA lottery prospects wouldn’t thrive in the type of system they play. The prospect would come out more disciplined probably, but that system wouldn’t allow the prospect to show what he has to offer to the NBA.

[OhCanada-Participant]

We will see about Coach K now that he has a clear cut Top 10 prospect to develop, although we have seen how he develops players like Kobe Bryant, Chris Bosh, Carmelo Anthony, Dwayne Wade etc. most notably defensively. Will Coach K’s presence make Irving be a good NBA prospect or a potential Superstar?

Wasnt Mason Plumlee and Nolan Smith among the top recruits as well?

[Tim49461Participant]

Steroid come on though what is every point guards knock so far entering the Draft..(Wall, Rose, Evans) He is good but can he run a half court set? If every scout is asking that question then those coaches are not fully preparing them for the NBA.

My question is how can you say Izzo isnt the best. If he can turn a 2 star recruit into leading the nation in block shots into ( Drew Naymick ) or Turn a 3 star recruit with no jump shot entering freshmen year into (Durrel Summers) I mean this guy works magic i can continue the list, Neitzel, Chris Hill, Tolbert, Ager etc etc. Just imagine what he can turn a top 10 prospect into. Name another coach that has put so many low star recuits on the map like izzo has.

[llperez]

Ben Howland baby. He doesnt give players the free reigns to do what they want, but he preaches smart play and tough defense and the guys who have come out of ucla under him have almost all equaled or surpassed expectations people had for them. Ryan Hollins looked like he would never get paid for playing basketball until howland came in. Mbah a moute, afllalo, farmar, love, westbrook, collison, holiday are all doing oaky in the nba. I think howland and izzo are very comparable in how they coach and develop players.

[Demarcus OnealParticipant]

@OhCanada how did Coach K develop Kobe Bryant , Carmelo Anthony, Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh they were great players before the Oylumpics he just brought them togther as a team but dont tell me that he developed them into good players their college coaches did that not Coach K

[Tim49461Participant]

Llperez i agree he is a good coach but most of those players came in with a good rep. to them already. Westbrook and i want to say maybe Mbah a Moute were the only ones that came from no where.

He still can use the school’s history has a way to bring in players which gives him a good advantage. Izzo only has Magic to work from and that was before his time and also 30 years ago.

[Da1potParticipant]

Yeah LLperez, Howland has done a good job at developing some pretty quality NBA talent. I had never even heard of Russell Westbrook until his sophomore year…. Another guy who I think does a pretty good job in just his six season at Georgetown had been John Thompson the 3rd. Roy Hibbert and Jeff Green were both very lowly regarded recruits and he was able to develop both of them into lotto picks…

[mrknowitall313Participant]

izzo is a great coach but his program doesn’t make great pros, something like duke (except for a few like hill). if you want to have a chance to win a championship almost every year then michigan st is a good choice but if you want to be a high draft pick and a great player on the next level its not.

[Tim49461Participant]

Everyone keeps saying that but where are msu’s top recruits?

[cuseflynn10Participant]

Boeheim didn’t have 1top 100 recruit this past season and he got to the Sweet 16 without a truly polished Center. All they had was Dasonte Riley who is to easy to push around. Boeheim has to be one of the best basketball evaluators of his time.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Boeheim didn’t have 1top 100 recruit this past season and he got to the Sweet 16 without a truly polished Center. All they had was Dasonte Riley who is to easy to push around. Boeheim has to be one of the best basketball evaluators of his time.

He’s overrated to me a little bit.

[Tim49461Participant]

Again missing the point, warrick, carmelo, etc all top level top out high school, izzo’s best player so far andrien payne. Enough said.

[Tim49461Participant]

sorry also forgot to add Eric Devendorf (sp) and G mac.

[canesboy6Participant]

What about Shannon Brown? Or Keith Appling? Delvon Roe Kelvin Tolbert, Jason Richardson, Z BO.

I can’t believe one bad year goes by and nobody says UNC? Hot girls on campus, nice blue Uniforms, and Roy Williams has won a few games.

[JNixonParticipant]

Yeah Shannon Brown is the best Michigan State recruit by Izzo, and he was a highly decorated and consensus top 5 recruit out of Chicago in 2003.

[Tim49461Participant]

I did forget about Shannon brown but jrich was not even a 5 star coming out only a 4. Tolbert,appling,zbo all not 5 stars.

[MkadozaParticipant]

Tim, where do you get your info???

Sorry, your flat wrong about Zach Randolph and J Rich. ZBO WAS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE COUNTRY FROM HIS CLASS IN COMPOSITE RANKINGS!!!! And in 2000, they had the top ranked point guard as well, #5 player, Marcus Taylor. J-Rich 14th overall in 1999. Paul Davis was 7th in 2002. Shannon Brown was 3rd in 2003. Brandon Cotton 23rd overall. Yes they went through a five year drought of 5 star prospects until Roe, but Michigan St is consistantly bringing in top 50 talent every single year. You dont win as much and as consistantly as they do without recruiting good players.

As for the question, if I have a choice of any high D-1 schools, then I feel Im good enough to make the league, and based on results, there are a few that I would choose. Based on the name and history of the school, North Carolina, Kansas and Kentucky are all high up right now. (UCLA isn’t the program it used to be though still very good.) Based on the coaches, I would personally like to play for a coach like Pitino, Bruce Pearl (stupid underrated coach, I mean its sad how little credit he gets.), or Donavan.

But if its where my heart is, it in New York, and New Yorks university would have me at hello. Take Jim Boehiem (I dont know how a coach with 800 wins… all at the same school… can be overrated), give me the Big East, give me the best communications school in the country and a pipeline into ESPN, and Syracuse University would be it. I mean… I already did commit to them so, why not be the face of NY basketball for bit, like Melo was for one year?

[MkadozaParticipant]

Oh… and Kelvin Torbert was ranked 2nd in his class, between Eddy Curry and Dujuan Wagner soooooo……. yeah.

Heres the link so you can educate yourself…

http://statsheet.com/bhsb/recruiting_class/2001/

[Tim49461Participant]

You’re also basing all off one sites reports. In real life we call this not enough information, Because someone can argue that Harrison barnes is the number one recruit and somone brings ups scout.com has him 4th overall( not true but you get the picture) .

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