where does rondo rank among pg's today?
i know this has been done before, but i saw this topic on another site and some were saying he was the best pg in the league and others were saying he is not top 5 and the celtics would have had a better chance to win the title last year with a pg with a better jumper. SO my question is where does rondo rank among pg's right now. In particular , i would like to see who you got between him and derrick rose.
So far this year, Rose has shown that he wants to be that go to scorer..That can take over late in games..Last night was a good example, bringing the Bulls from 21 points behind to the win..Rondo hasn't shown that skill yet..He's more of a complimentary player ..His hustle,defense and drive makes him very valuable..But his lack of being a good outside shooter and poor at the free thow line ..Makes him a huge liabilty at the end of games....
I think 2 games is a little early to say that Rose has overtaken Williams.
I dont think Rose is 2nd yet......... He had great game but how is he ahead or Williams? Really please explain.
As for Rondo I feel he can be argued anywhere between 3 -5.
To me it's
Paul, Rondo, Williams, Rose, Westbrook
To me, Rondo has always been 3rd to me but he's playing out of this world to the point, I move him above Williams. I know what people are going to say "He's playing with the big 3" but anyone who's watch the Celtics can agree without him, they don't win a title and make the finals last season as well. There no other PG (other then Paul) who give you the rebounds, assists and steals Rondo does. Not to mention, he's always stepped up in the playoffs.
you can make a case for D-Will, CP3 or Rose as the best point guard..
But Paul does alot of things most people dont notice..Thats what makes him number 1 in my book.
I'd put D-Will number 2..Played better than any point guard in the nba last year...
Rose's poor defense now is his only weakness since he's improved his outside shot...
I mentioned this in another thread that I'd put Rose as the better player, but Rondo the better PG. Rajon plays the position better, but Rose is such an athletic freak that he can be a go-to guy. Rose is a far inferior playmaker than Rondo though and doesn't rebound or defend as well so for me it still has to be Rondo has to be at least 3rd and arguably second above Williams. After seeing a motivated Paul in action again he's simply head and shoulders above the rest right now.
Instead of listing my personal Top 10, I'm going to name 15 players I think will be argued as Top 10 PG's all year long.
harris (this guy has played well in 2 games) and the rest is what ever.
1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Rajon Rondo (I'll wait until the season ends before I move Rondo over Williams)
4. Derrick Rose
5. Steve Nash
6. Russell Westbrook
Rondo is a top 5 point guard but he's not better than Rose.Defensively he is..But not overall..
Lets see how Rondo would do if he ran the Bulls or Suns..They'd be lottery teams...
Rondo is a top 5 point guard but he's not better than Rose.Defensively he is..But not overall..
...Yes he is. Other then Scoring: Rondo is better in everything else.
Rondo is going to have to develop an outside shot before he solidifies himself in the discussion of elite point guards with Paul and Williams. He's very good, but I wouldn't put him in that discussion just yet.
Rondo has limitations..Thats why he didnt make TEAM USA....
Yea, his limitation is he is not a high level scorer. He rebounds, pass and plays better defense then Rose.
Also, Rose and Rondo don't like each other, one of them were getting off that team. According to Bill Simmons. They picked Rondo because you already had a lead PG type in Billups.
he might be a better overall player then Rose...but with him being a liabitity at the end of games...i think he put you down the list of discussion...plus you saw Kobe guarding him the last couple games in the finals....all he did was back off on him...and even though kobe is a good defender if it was anyother point guard lakers would have lost the finals.....THANKS RONDO...LOL
How much of a Liability has he been late in games....oh, they made it to the finals 2 out of 3 seasons. The 3rd year they didn't make it? KG wasn't healthy.
They been the best team in the east when healthy. He's been monster in the playoffs, lead the NBA in steals, top 5 in assists and I believe the highest rpg for a point guard.
Yes, he's there liability. Trade him now. LOL
Kobe played off of him, but Rondo still got to the paint like he always does. Rondo isn't a liability at the end of games at all.
Also, Derrick Rose does nothing better than Rondo besides score. Rondo is a better PG than Rose right now.
Depends on what category you're rating him in. If you consider this as best ability to lead a bad team to the playoffs... top 5, but if you rate him judged on ability to lead a championship team he might even be first over CP. The NBA is so role dominant when it comes to point guards and what offense their coach wants them to run. Boston being the quintessential "team" in the league allows Rondo the most freedom to create quality shots for everyone through Boston's system.
On a team like Chicago where there are less weapons Rose tries to create all of the offense through himself but at the cost of team success. Rondo just runs his team with a swagger of confidence and air that whenever he's on the floor and in charge of the tempo/flow/attitude of the game, his team is better than your team. And the best part is that once the season passes the 82 game mark and the stakes get higher that swagger grows and his team will more likely than not beat your team.
The only pg on these list with a ring.
Those other guys are all tied for 2nd. They need to hit the drawing board.
LOL..Dude bringing up stats..if you go by stats then Robert Horry is the best small forward of alltime,becuz he has 7 rings...
Rudeboy is right. Does that mean that Stockton doesnt get a nod for top 10 PG of all time just because he lacks a ring?
How u figure rose is a better overall point guard?that's not even debatable. Rose is a better scorer but rondo is much better at defense, rebounding,passing, so how can u say rose is better overall?
@Stanford Hoops, I like your reasoning, but I am curious to see where you'd put Nash. I am kind of torn about him. On the one hand, he is a great guy, a great scoring point guard with phenomenal fundamentals, and he also makes literally everyone around him better. He can make averages players look like stars. On the other hand, he is miserable at defense. I'm not sure what to think. I guess I put him behind Rondo at this point and say:
Oh and also, I think that Jennings might work himself into the conversation in the next couple of seasons.
It's very hard to argue Rose and Rondo because Rose is a scoring guard and Rondo is a true team first lead PG.
Rondo does do everything better then Rose but shoot. If Rondo could shooter better and had a ball hog mentality he could average just as many points as Rose because as hard as this is to accept I'm going to accept I'm going to say Rondo is a better ball handler then Rose. And Rondo easily has better court vision.
And @ the end of games think of it this way, who would you rather have guard Kobe or Wade before they take the game deciding shot? Rondo or Rose? So whose really the liability at the end of games?
nash is better than rondo easily
and rondo is my fav player on top of that, SO IM NOT BIAS!!!
This dude had Westbrook ahead Rondo and Rose....
my top 5 would be:
How is Nash better then Rondo today.
Robert Horry played PF for most of his rings.
its close, but i still would take nash over rondo just slightly.
I like your list.
I'd put it like this though:
- Deron Williams
- Chris Paul
- Rajon Rondo
- Steve Nash
- Derrick Rose
So you still rank D-Will number one how? Even after we see CP3 get 16 assists with one of his starting teammates get 0 points and noone on the bench getting more then 10 and taking this NO team to 3-0 so far?
I'm not even going to answer that.
I actually forgot about Nash. I'd have him as a tie or flip a coin
Nash better shooter
Rondo better defender
Please answer it. I mean, I think your the only person here with Williams one. Other then you being a Jazz fan, explain why he's number one if you can.
Also, I don't think Nash is the better passer anymore.
I've answered that a billion times.
Paul has played well during the first week of the season. Williams hasn't (until tonight). It doesn't change anything.
So I'm not going to answer that question. It doesn't deserve an answer.
Mr. Knick, I think the point would be that we can't judge anything based off of the first week of the season. I'm not sure that Paul is better than Williams, I'm undecided. But, nothing that has happened during the first week has made the decision easier. Williams didn't play well, and Paul did. Next week it might be the opposite. You can judge 2 players on such a small sample size. Both of them are incredibly good at what they do and in their respective systems.
It's tough ranking Rondo.
He's not good at any facet of shooting the basketball. He's not even respectable. He's become very good at attacking that space defenses give him, but... He's still a liability shooting the ball.
I think he's more of a complimentary player... A player that's only as good as his teammates. He's not a player that could carry a team or be that player you build around.
1. Chris Paul - Other than size, I don't think Williams has anything on him. Paul is this generation's Isiah Thomas.
2. Deron Williams - A complete point guard with an interesting blend of size/strength and quickness.
3. Derrick Rose - He isn't the greatest defender or passer, but he's a dominate offensive player who can carry a team. He's becoming a serious closer.
4. Steve Nash - 50, 40 and 90. Throw in double figure assists. He's not a good defender or rebounder, but is still the best at making his teammates better.
5. Rajon Rondo - He's great at everything, except putting the ball in the basket which is a huge deal.
I agree with everything on your list 100%.
1- Chris Paul
2- Deron Williams
3- Rajon Rondo
4- Derrick Rose
5- Russell Westbrook
Honorable Mention- Steve Nash, Brandon Jennings, Stephen Curry and Aaron Brooks
Russel Westbrook has proven in the past year he is better then Rose and from the looks of it has leapfrogged Rondo in the process.
Teams USA. Westbrook outplayed both Rose and Rondo in the tryouts. And in the tournament Westbrook came on late and was a huge reason for Team USA"s success playing better basketball then Rose down the stretch.
Westbrook just outplayed Rose head to head also last week. Most of us watched that game. Sure it was close but what was also obvious is Westbrook has proven to be every bit the explosive scorer that Rose is, but Westbrook is also a lock down defender and a better passer.
Put Rondo's defense and passing in Rose's body with his scoring and you get Russel Westbrook.
Westbrook will be the 3rd best PG in the league by the end of this season.
Steve Nash is not to be slept on he is still one of 2 players in the 50-40-90 club. Nash is just so efficient. And he still has the best court vision in the league that did not go anywhere. Nash is one of the top 5 pure passers this league has ever seen bottom line. His defense keeps him out my top 5 but on any given night can play like the best guard in the league.
"Put Rondo's defense and passing in Rose's body with his scoring and you get Russel Westbrook."
That's not what you get at all. Westbrook is not as good a passer or caretaker as Rondo. He also doesn't have Rose's body and is a notch below Rose in terms of scoring ability.
For Tezo to call Rondo a "Complementary Player" That's enough for me. I retire after that post right there.
Rondo is the PERFECT point guard you want. He's Jason Kidd. For all the "He cannot score" He averaged 13 last season. Isin't that exactly what you would want from him? In the NBA today, there are too many scoring point guards.
The last two teams to have point guards be thier number one options and win a title? Chauncey Billups in 2004 and Isiah Thomas in 1989. Thats it.
Rondo is the best point guard in the NBA if you have a bunch of good players. Like the Pistons, Bobcats, Raptors, Grizzlies and Clippers would all be BETTER teams with Rondo for the simple reason he doesn't need to score (nor does he try to force baskets) and he can help your scorers by at least 3ppg IMO.
For you to even put Derrick Rose in Rondo's league RIGHT NOW is crazy. Rose is still raw as a point guard from what I saw. I'm not looking at the assists totals because 6.5 assists from a guard is not that great. He's not a elite defender (something MANY people expected) and he hasn't won anything yet. Like I said, he's good and should potentially be better then Rondo but
EXPLAIN TO ME HOW A PLAYER WHO'S BETTER THAN ANOTHER PLAYER IN 5 OF THE 7 MAIN CATERGORIES FOR A POINT GUARD IS BELOW HIM?
Note: I have no problem if you said I'd take Rose over Rondo because I like Rose, but to call him a better basketball player? Sit down man.
Call me a Douche or a Dick or whatever, It doesn't make any sense.
Rondo can not make someone pay for backing off...so it does make him some sort of a liability...im not saying that it takes him out of the list of the great point guards of the league but it certainly puts him down...you want your point guard to have the ability to take what the defences give him..if people back off make them pay...rondo hasnt shown that he has the ability to do that...he is a horrible free throw shooter so it does make him a liability at the end of games....and you might think he is only lackin a jump shot so it shouldnt put him down the list...but that liability is huge....his team doesnt go to him late in games or he wont even touch the ball....sorry i want my best distrubitor to have the ball at the end of games i dont know bout you guys
Rondo finds way, when you sag off of him he keeps pressure on the defense by either waiting for the play to develop on what he does is take the ball to the defense. Once he takes the ball to the defender he makes the defender play him and then its either one on one again or somebodies open.
Rondo is a way more intelligent basketball player then Rose and compensates for a lack of a jump shot by out smarting players.
And Westbrook got a better body then Rose. Westbrook is quicker and stronger. Rose don't have Westbrooks lateral quickness therefore he will never be the defender he is.
With that said I think Rose will have an MVP type season this year but when it comes to who is the better "Point Guard" I think Westbrook and Rondo are better.