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What if? (Michael Jordan)

What if Michael Jordan was drafted by the Trailblazers? How many rings, if any? MVPs? G.O.A.T.?

What if Scottie Pippen was never with the Bulls? Any rings for MJ?

What if Michael Jordan played today? Stats?

What if Kobe Bryant came before Michael Jordan? Would Michael still be regarded the best if Kobe came before?


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1.I still cant understand why

1.I still cant understand why people still give Portland Hell after all these years for drafting Bowie..Nobody knew Jordan would turn out to be the GOAT..At the time Portland already had an allstar guard in Jim Paxson who in 1984 was on the 2nd all nba team..And the year before they had drafted Drexler a player whose skills were very similar to Jordan's..Even though Drexler turned out to be 1 of the 50 greatest players of all time..Folks still Dog Out the Blazers for selecting Bowie..Why nobody gave the Mavs Static for selecting Sam Perkins over Barkley?

1 of My uncle's friends use to live in Chicago in the 80's..He was a big Bulls fans.He has all this stuff from Chicago Newspapers.1 Chicago headline read ''Bulls upset by draft outcome they get Stuck With Jordan''..Coach Kevin Loughery wanted Olajuwon or Bowie..

2.yeah, i think he would've won only 3 ...

3.If Jordan played today i think his stats will be..43 points-5 assists and 6 rebounds..

4.if Jordan came after Kobe he still will be the Goat..After Jordan's rookie year he was among the 3 best players in the nba..Kobe wasnt dominate right away..it took him a few years..Kobe was in Shaq's shadow his 1st couple of years...

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good points rudeoy

the bulls did want bowie or the dream at the 3 spot and like u said also paxson was a very solid guard and they had drafted drexler but imo jordan and drexler could have played together but at the time the blazers needed a big and bowie was projected as a cant miss how about this on a related subject what if the bulls kept olden polynice???/ thoughts on that

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1 drexler and jordan would

1 drexler and jordan would have been a mean back court. a few rings, a few mvps, a lot less talk of him being the GOAT

2 there were alot of good teams that were better than the bulls without scottie. so no

3 if michael was drafted in 96 with kobe his career stats would 31,5,6

4 people would be saying kobe was better but jordan might catch him. i still here people say dr j was better than lebron

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Regardless what Kobe says his

Regardless what Kobe says his game, swagger, and his style was a copy of Jordans game.. So it doesnt make sense to say what if Kobe cam before Jordan... If Jordan was drafted by the Blazer he would have been ahead of the curve because he would have been on a better team than the Bulls team that drafted him... I believe Jordan would have been at the 2 and Drexler at the 3.. Jordan would have still won championships atleast 3...

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Portland had a much much

Portland had a much much better team in 1984 than Chicago did...They fault they needed a allstar caliber center to challenge the Lakers in the west...I dont know if it is true..But i've heard rumors thast Portland offered Paxson or Drexler & center Mychal Thompson to Houston for Sampson...After Houston got the 1st pick to select Olajuwon..But Houston turned them down...

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I'm sorry, there is no way

I'm sorry, there is no way that Jordan is averaging 43, 4 and 6 in todays game, or if he is, his team definitely sucks.

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I'm Your Father, Are you old

I'm Your Father, Are you old enuff to have seen Jordan when he played or are you judging by hearsay?

no player in nba history had defenses geared toward stopping them did Jordan did..And he still lead the league in scoring and the league was much more physical than it is today....The Pistons & Knicks use to enjoy punishing and abusing Jordan..Even their big men tried to hurt him when he entered the lane...This past year Durant lead the nba in free throw attempts a game and he's no where near as aggressive as Jordan was attacking the basket...If Jordan played today,he'll get alot of players in foul trouble and score about 20 points just by going to the free throw line...

The NBA changed it rules becuz the lack of scoring in the league was turning away some fans..

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They'd have to change the

They'd have to change the rules because MJ would average an insane amount of free-throw attempts today. He was relentless attacking the rim... And he's a 80%+ free-throw shooter. I have no doubts he could average 12-15 points at the line. He'd probably set a record for free-throw attempts and makes.

IF he had to, he could average at least 40 in today's game with the way it benefits the offensive player. I mean, the young kids today just don't understand that MJ was a killer. Think Dwayne Wade attacking the rim on steroids.

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So you really think that Jordan could actually score 13 extra points just because hand checking isn't allowed? It would be really exhausting to actually drive the basket that much and get fouls througout a whole season. Just because you are getting more foul calls doesn't mean people aren't hitting you. In his younger years he could do it, but not when he is older. LeBron James is the best driver in NBA history in my mind when he actually drives, and I don't think even he could drive to the basket to score that many points night in and night out simply because that wears you down. I'm not saying Jordan couldn't score that many points, but you're saying he could average twenty foul shots a game which means he would have to go over that average of 20 foul shots per game just to get 20 points unless he shoots 100% from the free throw line. Even to average 20 foul shots, he would have to get to the line more than his average on a nightly basis which would be 23-25 times per game because no human being can keep that up for 81 games plus the playoffs. That is exaggerating a bit. 15 is more reasonable... Jordan could very well score 40 points a game in his prime, but your logic behind why he would score 40+ points is flawed. Realistically, I think that he could have about 5 more points on to his career scoring average with the rules that are in place now.

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I don't think MJ would

I don't think MJ would average 43 points for his entire career if he played today. He'd probably average around 35-36.

For one regular season though, I think 40 points would be realistic. I mean, he averaged over 37 his third season in the league and averaged 12 free-throws per game... Making 86% of them. With the way they call fouls today, who knows how many free-throws he'd shoot. There are flagrant fouls today that sometimes weren't even called fouls back then.

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"Portland had a much much

"Portland had a much much better team in 1984 than Chicago did...They fault they needed a allstar caliber center to challenge the Lakers in the west...I dont know if it is true..But i've heard rumors thast Portland offered Paxson or Drexler & center Mychal Thompson to Houston for Sampson...After Houston got the 1st pick to select Olajuwon..But Houston turned them down..."

In Hakeem's autobiography it says the deal would have been Drexler and #2 (which they presumably wouldn't have used on a big........) for Sampson

That would have been RIDICULOUS

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I did see him play in his

I did see him play in his prime a little bit, although I was a little too young to pay attention to the finer points of the game. But 43 is a lot of points to be averaging, I'm not entirely Jordan would put up much better stats than today's superstars. I do think he would win a ton of games though.

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I was like 8 or somewhere

I was like 8 or somewhere around there totally uninterested in sports when my dad put a basketball game on and told me some crap about watch this that guy right there is the greatest athlete to ever live. The next thing I remember some dude hit a 3 point shot and everybody ran on the court. I witnessed Paxon's game winner without even knowing it back then. After that basketball became my favorite sport and I loved Jordan after watching him more.

The only person I ever saw attack a basket like MJ did is Iverson. They were both Killers who went straight for you throat. But the difference was Jordan was 6'6 225, and instead of getting knocked on his back side after attacking the rim like what use to happen too A.I. on almost every play. Jordan would punish defenders. For the record I know Jordan is better then A.I.

But Michael Jordan came back when he was 38 and played till he was 40 and still averaged over 20 points a game and 6 rebounds and 6 assists. How many players in the league last year averaged over 20 5 n 5? How many of them were 40? It just goes to show you how extremely more talented Jordan was then anybody to ever play this game.

In todays game, espcially without any dominant big men. Jordan would have his way with this league. People respect Kobe. They don't fear Kobe unless its late in the 4th of a close game.

Before the ball was even tipped off Jordan had people scared. They knew what was coming. And unstoppable fury of a scoring machine that combined world class athleticism, with all world school, and a legendary knack of getting the ball to go in the basket. Combine that with the fact on defense Jordan was about as good on ball defender that ever played.

In today game the pace is a lil slower. But if that Bulls team of the 90's was playing today I would expect Jordan to average around 35 points a game in his prime. His low would be 31 and his highest scoring year could be as high as 40 plus. There is nobody stopping him today. Who are the leagues best perimeter defenders? Shane Battier would get left out on the perimeter while Jordan is dunking on Yao Ming. Ron Artest would be like 4 feet away by the time Jordan implemented his step back jumper. Paul Pierce would be giving Jordan and one's all day. Kobe would get raped in the post by Jordan. Lebron would be a nice matchup because he is even stronger and faster then Jordan...but not smarter...Jordan's array of hesitations, jab staps, half fake turn around, head fakes, one handed shot fakes would have LeBrons head spinning. And if Lebron thought it was embarassing when Jordan Crawford dunked on him I wonder how his Ego would take the real Jordan dunking on him...a few times a year.

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@parkerJ didn't the the

@parkerJ didn't the the Blazers learn from history?

Sound like a familiar story the Blazers had a lot of talent on their team already so they drafted a center to compete with the size of the Lakers instead of a plastic man scoring machine wing player?

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A lot of you guys are

A lot of you guys are underestimating Jordan's rebounding ability, he averaged 6.2 on his career with a career high of 8.0 and 6.1 at 39 years old in 2002-2003 (The Modern Era). No way Jordan's rebounding would go down to 4 or 5 per game in today's game. In his athletic prime I feel he'd be a 7 or 8.0 rpg player in today's game.

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I could see Jordan in his

I could see Jordan in his prime averaging in an MVP a state line of 37PPG, 9 RPG, 6 Assists, and 2 steals and a block. Sorta like Lebron with a Jump shot. Jordan and Lebron are very similar the difference is Jordan was a deadly jump shooter also. And yes he was a way better shooter then Kobe thats not even up for discussion seriously. Just look at their FG% averages, their FT%, and the fact that defenses were allowed to play more physical back then. In a softer league today Jordan would shoot an even higher percentage.

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You can definately tell

You can definately tell Lebron, D-Wade and Kobe grew up watching Jordan, it's very evident in their games.

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Oh yeah Kobe admitting to

Oh yeah Kobe admitting to watching game films of MJ to study his moves. Before MJ shooting guards werent known for abusing players in the post. The best guards nowadays got great post games. MJ revolutionized that aspect of the position too.

My favorite MJ Jocking Story however is Caron Butler when he was in Washington and broke out as an impact player he said he credited a lot of that too going back and watching Jordan films. But not the Bulls MJ, the Wizards Jordan. Butler said he wanted to understand how somebody who lost his athleticism and was that old could still dominate on the court. Butler said he learned how to become a complete player and make an impact without possessing the athleticism of the Kobe's and LeBrons by watching how MJ did it on the Wizards.

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43ppg, do you smoke crack??

43ppg, do you smoke crack??

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Most of you guys are too

Most of you guys are too young to have seen Jordan play..But If Lebron can score 30 points a game..Then Jordan can score 43 for a season...Anyone can tell you Lebron is no where near the offensive player Jordan was...In today's game and the way its called Jordan will get about 15 to 20 trips to the free throw line....Plus he had the total package when it came to scoring..43 isnt unrealistic for a season..i doubt he'll be able to do it for a career..

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Yeah if anybody is saying

Yeah if anybody is saying Jordan couldn't do it must of been too young to see him play in him prime. And Remember when he 3 peated for the Bulls in the late 90's he 35 for that last chip that wasn't exactly his prime but he still averaged 29 PPG that year and won the chip.

Jordan was not only relentless attacking the basket but Jordan also possessed one of the greatest mid range shooting games ever. Lebron averaged 30 without a great jump shot and not being a great jump shooter. If LeBron were to shoot 87% from the line like MJ and become a great mid range jump shooter Bron could probably average 37 a year but he don't have Jordans shot or his tenacity.

Allen Iverson averaged 33 points per game and A.I. aint a great shooter really and he just isn't big enough to consistantly finish in traffic. But Iverson would just keep coming...Iverson possession after possession was in your lane getting fouled. Or embarrassing people trying to guard him one on one and he was 7 inches shorter then jordan and easily 70 pounds lighter.

Jordan did the same thing tho. Everytime down court he was getting in your lane. He was dunking over your rim protector. He was revering layups to the other side of the rim getting fouled in the process. He is the single best player ever at getting defenders off their foot and he would hit the shot and get fouled. And he could get separation on his jump shot whenever he wanted. And unlike Iverson Jordan would hit them shots. And as great a shooter Kobe is Jordan was that much better.

Even Kobe averaged 35 points a few years ago. But Kobe doesn't shoot 50% from the field like Jordan did. Or attack the basket as relentlessly as Jordan did. If Kobe could shoot like Jordan and beast people under the basket then Kobe would of probably averaged close if not over 40 that year. But he is not Jordan and just can't do those things.

And I do think Kobe's 81 points is as hard to do as it was for Wilt to get 100. But I watched that game. And it was a layup drill. As much as I respect that game and what he did that game, they were not hard points. It looked like Kobe was in a lay up line. There was no defense even the Raptors were watching Kobe drive the lane and score probably thinking themselves dam I wonder how many points he can score against us. When Wilt scored his 100 from all accounts the whole defense literally was geared to stop him. When it started looking like he would get 100 they started fouling him, tripling teaming him, flagrant fouling him, they did not want him getting 100 but he got it anyway. I just didn't see anybody at the end of that 81 points performance trying to stop Kobe. And to Kobe's credit he hit a bunch a 3's and was basically on fire but the defense didn't do anything to take him out the game.

I don't think Jordan would of got 81 in that game you know why? Jordan is the most competitive player in all of sports and after they started blowing the Bulls out he would of stopped shooting. Jordan wasn't a ball hog and didn't get pleasure in padding stats and running the score up. Jordan played his best against other great players in games that meant something. Jordan would of probably been on the sidelines of that Raptors game watching his bench get some playing time and smiling.

But if Jordan wanted to score 100 just to prove he could do it could he?............Against that Raptors team Kobe did it against he would of atleast gotten 81. I'm not taking nothing away from Kobe but Jordan is a different animal.

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What is this misconception

What is this misconception that MJ was a better shooter than Kobe solely because his shooting % is higher? Kobe has taken low percentage shots, generally speaking, and has made his money off them. I haven't ever witnessed a player who consistently took extremely difficult shots and made them like how Kobe did. Only a select handful of players would even be allowed by their coaches to take some of the shots Kobe does.

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So 3 years later Kobe is

So 3 years later Kobe is playing at an extremely high level.

Once again, if Kobe came before Jordan, would he be the undisputable GOAT as MJ currently is?

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No, he'd be viewed similarly

No, he'd be viewed similarly to Kareem though. He's still never been nearly as dominant as Jordan, but his longevity is truly amazing.

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my favorite qutes of all

one of my favorite quotes of all time:

"We wish Jordan were 7-feet, but he isn't. There just wasn't a center available. What can you do? Jordan isn't going to turn this franchise around. I wouldn't ask him to. He's a very good offensive player, but not an overpowering offensive player."

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