Me personally I think Dwight needs another physical prescence down low beside him to take away from the abuse & double-teams he commands.
If I were in Orlando's front office, I would exercise the thought of aqcuring a big from Utah, since they currently have 4 to choose from......I think the best route would be Favors(no biased) If you think about it he would be put on the block before Jefferson, Millsap, or Kanter especially with him not really "fitting in". BTW he is only 20 with the potential to be a stud, if giving the opportunities which he would get beside Dwight. You can't teach size & he has plenty of it with his 6'10'' 246lb frame.
What exactly does Orlando have that Utah needs?
What Dwight really needs.......
...............Is to grow up and stop Planking.
Have no clue how there Cap etc. will work out as of now, but I'm sure they could get some guys or future picks up......Just a couple names to throw out there......Ryan Anderson, Chris Duhon, J.J. Redick
Not really good at the Trade Machine so I most definitely won't bother.....The original goal was to stay away from it with this thread that's why I said what I had to say.
a move, a coach, something funny shaq didn't already say... something serious to do for 2012 (other than planking) 'cause it seems like he won't play bball.
I can see what you are saying about Favors. He has some incredible upside and he could turn out to be a little less defensive version of Howard. I like your thinking. This is the only problem, Utah will not give up Favors for anything that the Magic could give them.
I am a Utah fan and the feeling here is that the Jazz don't have any true untouchables but Hayward, Favors, Kanter and Burks are the closest things that they have to being that. If the Jazz did give up Favors to the Magic then they would want Howard in return. I am sure that more than Favors would have to be added to the trade, like Favors and Jefferson and another first round pick but anyone besides Howard and Favors will not be traded.
It's a lot more difficult than it sounds. Utah is not going to trade Jefferson or Millsap anytime soon. Kanter and Favors are both only 20 and although they are both NBA-ready in terms of their body, they still need some time to get better. No doubt Jefferson and Millsap will be moved, but not this year and maybe not even next year.
I know where you're getting at, I'm not going to act dumb as if you're the one that's wrong but in all reality, Dwight doesn't need another banger downlow. When you have a good center that is a banger, defender, and rebounder downlow, you need one of two options. Either a power forward that has mastered the three-point shot (i.e. Rashard Lewis) or a power forward that has a mid-range game and is a good passer (i.e. Gasol w/Bynum.. Duncan w/Robinson..)
The Orlando Magic are a couple of moves away from being contenders. They need a defensive stopper (Mickael Pietrus is a F/A). They need Arenas to be atleast 70% what he used to be. They need a power forward like I stated earlier, either a shooter or a passer.
........................is a Jumper
Thanks my dude
The jazz are said to have been shoping millsap before this lockout so i dont think that Favors would be the one to go, if the jazz let anyone go i think it will be millsap
TOL23 has it, he needs a shooting PF who can space the floor and give him room to move, another banger would clog up the paint and make him more susceptible to having his shot blocked. The Magic tried that with Bass, who did a good job hustling and rebounding, but it didn't fit Orlando's system and the Magic took a big dip this season performance wise.
Ryan Anderson is the right type of player, but they just need a better version of him. Bargnani comes to mind as the perfect complement to Dwight, but it's a question of what Toronto wants that Orlando has (which is very little), unless they want Turkoglu back to play some SF and handle the ball a bit while Bayless/DeRozan score and free up minutes for Davis, but again hard to imagine that happening.
@TOL23: Had to chuckle when I read your comment about Pietrus, I think he's the sort of player they need, but he's got a major beef with Van Gundy and Orlando as a whole after the way things went down this season.
..... a solid free throw percentage.
..... to stop that childish planking.
..... a real center so he could be a monster PF.
..... a better PG than Nelson and Arenas.
..... a quality SF, because trading for Turkoglu was dumb.
..... a trade for Bosh, so that Miami actually gets a beast at PF.
...... just any other venue to shine in would be good.
Bosh a Beast? More like a jump shooting big pooosay
is to become a better free throw shooter so he won't get fouled and abused as often as he does. He does need some help down low too
i think josh smith seems like a great fit...if only orlando had the assets to acquire him
Perfect match. They both been waiting for players with the others game to showcase their full talent and make the game easier for both.
I hadn't seen scout4real since Boston was outsed by the Miami Heat in 5 games in the playoffs.
We need a wing defender to help out Howard on D as well as someone who can shoulder the scoring load. I'm hoping that Arenas can do the latter this season. I'm also starting to think we need a coaching change...Van Gundy has been getting outcoached alot this past year.
@memphis tyga23, if im not mistaken didnt the Jazz just trade the centerpiece of their franchise (Deron Williams) for Favors, it seems to me like they have a lot invested in this kid and certainly arent going to trade him to the Magic for a bunch of mediocre players.
Theres a couple of moves that I think Orlando could possibly make that would be realistic
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3sjmmgb - Orlando essentially trades 2 bad contracts for 1 really bad contract and they save around 1.5mil on the deal (which is important for a team so over the cap like the Magic), I think Baron would love playing with Dwight and it could revitilize him once again like playing with Blake Griffin did. It makes sense for the Cavs because Baron doesnt really fit their team and will just be out of shape becuase he doesnt care and they receive a steady but not anything special pg (Nelson) to run the point and help tutor Kyrie, also JJ fits a need for the Cavs because they need a sg who can space the floor, has a relativily high iq and can help play team d.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3wcd7xm - This is an interesting trade imo Orlando would need to throw a 2012 first rounder in order for OKC to accept it, but Orlando recieves the perimeter defensive stopper they badly need in Thabo and a young pg in Maynor who really hasnt gotten a chance and could play backup pg (which Orlando really needs because Duhon was horrendous last year). The trade works for OKC because they recieve a stretch 4 in Ryan Anderson who would be a very nice complimentary piece to their offense and help add some offense to their second unit plus hes cheap, is a good rebounder, and can stroke the 3 at a high percentage. Also Sam Presti loves to collect assets and a 3mil trade exception and another 1st rounder is right up his alley.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3mqh54c - Orlando recieves Speights who I think has some game and who badly adds size to a very small team as either a backup C/PF or maybe gets into the starting lineup as the starting PF if he and Dwight meshed playing together, plus Orlando saves another 1.5mil. Philly gets Bass, whos a hard working, hustle guy that can get you 10-12ppg and gets rid of a player that has fallen out of favor with Doug Collins.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3th5py9 - I dont know if the Bucks would accept this trade it kinda depends on how valuable they think Drew Gooden is, but if they did its pretty much a swap of terrible contracts that saves the Bucks some money in the end and nets them a young big in Daniel Orton. Orlando does this trade because it gives them a versatile swingman who can hit the 3 and play good defense in the Jack and they get Drew Gooden whos rebounding and midrange jumper would be a nice compliment to Dwight.
If you look at all of these trades as a whole Orlandos Roster would look like this:
PF- Gooden, Speights, Harper
SF-Stephen Jackson, Quentin Richardson
SG-Thabo Sefolosha, Gilbert Arenas
PG-Baron Davis, Eric Maynor, Chris Duhon
They would obviously need to sign more bodies in free agency (another big man and a 3pt shooting guard), but that team would be in better financial shape and is a much improved defensive team who has a better chance to compete in the East.
I like the OKC trade a lot. What was interesting to me is that the Thunder increased their wins by 5 with just adding that one player. That has the best chance to actually happen.
I really like that OKC trade a lot for both teams as well, I think Ryan Anderson would be a really nice piece on the Thunder because he does a lot of things Ibaka doesnt do and vice versa, plus OKC needs to impove their bench to really have a shot at competing for the title. I like the trade for Orlando because I believe they need to become more defensive minded as a team and really they have to have a perimeter stopper (Thabo)and I think Maynor also has some game, but needs a chance to showcase it.
I agree on the fit for both teams. The only thing that I would add is that Maynor is a very headstrong type PG and when you have such a good big man that can only help both players out.
gottafeedthefam has daniel orton in one of his trades. Whatever happened to that guy anyway? Did he even play for the magic? I thought he was supposed to be dwight's "apprentice" and "buddy" down low on the block.
Orton was sent down to the D league then had arthroscopic surgery because he reinjured a lingereing knee injury from his high school days, he played in one D league game and that was it for his season. I think he has some trade worth because hes just 20 years old and is a big body (6'10'' supposedly 265-270lbs right now, but hes trying to slim down), he really hurt his development coming out of Kentucky so early.
Sad too really. Kid had some decent potential, and now probably won't ever even become a Kwame Brown type player which is just sad. Out of the L in 2 years IMO. Chris Taft part 2.