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Vote: All Positions (& Center Results)

I did top two for some categories that I thought would be unanimous or close to unanimous...

1. Top TWO Players Now?

2. Best Player in 5 Years?

3. Most Underrated?

4. Most Overrated?

5. Best Young Player (2 Yrs playing exp. or less)?

6. Top TWO Rookies?

7. Top TWO Most Athletic?

8. Most Skilled?

9. Best Leader?

10. Top TWO All-Time?

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1. Best Now.............Howard 41, Bynum 2

2. Best in 5 Years.....Howard 15, Cousins 12, Bynum 10, Drummond-Favors 1

3. Underrated...........Monroe 9, Gasol-Cousins 5, Bogut-Gortat 4, Kaman 3, Hibbert 2, 8 with 1

4. Overrated.............Lopez 11, DJordan 6, Chandler 5, Howard 4, Hibbert-Horford 3, 7 with 1 or 2

5. Best Young..........Cousins 31, Monroe 6, Favors 2, Valenciunas-Udoh-Pekovic 1

6. Best Rookie.........Valenciunas 17, Zeller 11, Drummond 10, Leonard 2, Moti-Davis 1

7. Most Athletic........Howard 20, McGee 16, DJordan 3, Drummond 2

8. Most Skilled.........Gasol 14, Cousins 10, Duncan 5, Jefferson-Bogut 3, 6 with 1

9. Best Leader.........Chandler 14, Garnett 8, Noah 5, Duncan 4, Howard-McGee? 2, 4 with 1

10. Top 2 All-Time....Kareem 31, Wilt-Shaq 14, Russell 10, Hakeem 7, Howard 2

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Last Years Center Results...

1. Best C right now- Howard 44 unanimous

2. Most Underrated- Gortat 10, Nene 8, Chandler-Camby 5, Gasol 4

3. Overrated- B Lopez 10, Perkins 9, McGee 7, Bynum 6, R Lopez 3

4. Best C in 5 years- Howard 39, Drummond 4, Bynum 1

5. Best Young C- Cousins 34, Monroe 8, Hibbert-Drummond 1

6. Best Rookie C- Valanciunus 28, Kanter 17, Biyombo 1

7. Most athletic- Howard 31, McGee 12, D Jordan 2, Ibaka 1

8. Best Leader- Noah 19, Howard 9, Chandler 5, Camby 4

9. Top C All-Time- Chamberlain 13, Abdul-Jabbar 12, O’Neal-Russel 7, Hakeem 6, D Robinson 1


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1. Top TWO Players Now? 1.

1. Top TWO Players Now? 1. James 2. Durant

2. Best Player in 5 Years? Lebron James

3. Most Underrated? Mike Conley. Wanted to say Manu but he is an all star

4. Most Overrated? Carmelo Anthony

5. Best Young Player (2 Yrs playing exp. or less)? Kyrie Irving for the time being until Davis breaks out

6. Top TWO Rookies? 1. Davis easy and 2. MKG

7. Top TWO Most Athletic? 1. James 2. Griffin

8. Most Skilled? Dirk- back and forth between him and Kobe

9. Best Leader? Garnett

10. Top TWO All-Time? 1. Jordan 2. Kareem

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I thought I was the only one

I thought I was the only one considering Manu for being underrated. He never shows how good he is because of his role on the Spurs

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1. Top TWO Players Now?

1. Top TWO Players Now? LeBron James, Kevin Durant

2. Best Player in 5 Years? Kevin Durant

3. Most Underrated? Luol Deng (to the media)

4. Most Overrated? Jeremy Lin

5. Best Young Player (2 Yrs playing exp. or less)? Blake Griffin

6. Top TWO Rookies? Anthony Davis, Harrison Barnes

7. Top TWO Most Athletic? Russell Westbrook, Blake Griffin/LeBron James

8. Most Skilled? Steve Nash

9. Best Leader? Tim Duncan

19. Top TWO All-Time? Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson

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Top TWO Players Now? lebron,

Top TWO Players Now? lebron, durant

2. Best Player in 5 Years? durant

3. Most Underrated? ersan ilyasova, tony parker

4. Most Overrated? i cant think who the most overrated is...

5. Best Young Player (2 Yrs playing exp. or less)? kyrie irving

6. Top TWO Rookies? anthony davis, jeremy lamb

7. Top TWO Most Athletic? lebron, blake

8. Most Skilled? lebron

9. Best Leader? lebron

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1. Top TWO Players Now?

1. Top TWO Players Now? LeBron and Durant

2. Best Player in 5 Years? LeBron

3. Most Underrated? Zach Randolph

4. Most Overrated? Russel Westbrook

5. Best Young Player (2 Yrs playing exp. or less)? MKG

6. Top TWO Rookies? MKG and Davis

7. Top TWO Most Athletic? LeBron and Howard

8. Most Skilled? Manu

9. Best Leader? Garnett

10. Top TWO All-Time? MJ and Wilt

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1. Top TWO Players Now?

1. Top TWO Players Now? Lebron and Durant

2. Best Player in 5 Years? Kevin Durant

3. Most Underrated? Deron Williams

4. Most Overrated? Carlos Boozer

5. Best Young Player (2 Yrs playing exp. or less)? DeMarcus Cousins

6. Top TWO Rookies? Damian Lillard and Anthony Davis

7. Top TWO Most Athletic? Russell Westbrook and Lebron James. Almost had Gerald Green there

8. Most Skilled? Lebron James

9. Best Leader? Tim Tebow...........Chris Paul. This one's really a toss up between a lot of different players

10. Top TWO All-Time? Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson

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1. Top TWO Players Now? 1.

1. Top TWO Players Now? 1. James.....................2.durant

2. Best Player in 5 Years? Lebron

3. Most Underrated? monta ellis to me is very underated

4. Most Overrated? ima say joe johnson mainly because his contract is more then lebrons,durants,d rose's,c.paul and alot more players who are more productive then him!!

5. Best Young Player (2 Yrs playing exp. or less)? blake griffin-hes a two time allstar avg over 20 and 10 his first two seasons

6. Top TWO Rookies? 1. Davis and 2. lilliard

7. Top TWO Most Athletic? westbrook combination of speed,strength,and leaping ability is off the charts!! and the same for lebron!!

8. Most Skilled? kobe bryant

9. Best Leader? Garnett

10. Top TWO All-Time? 1. Jordan 2. magic

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1. Top TWO Players Now?--

1. Top TWO Players Now?-- Lebron, Durant

2. Best Player in 5 Years?-- Durant

3. Most Underrated?-- Tony Parker

4. Most Overrated?-- Horford

5. Best Young Player (2 Yrs playing exp. or less)?-- Irving

6. Top TWO Rookies?-- Davis and MKG

7. Top TWO Most Athletic?-- Lebron and Griffin

8. Most Skilled?-- Kobe

9. Best Leader?-- Lebron

10. Top TWO All-Time?-- MJ, Magic

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1. Top TWO Players Now?-

1. Top TWO Players Now?- Lebron, Durant

2. Best Player in 5 Years?- Durant

3. Most Underrated?- Cousins

4. Most Overrated?- DeAndre Jordan

5. Best Young Player (2 Yrs playing exp. or less)?- Cousins

6. Top TWO Rookies?- Ant Davis, MKG

7. Top TWO Most Athletic? Griffin, Gerald Green

8. Most Skilled?- Kobe

9. Best Leader?- KG

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good pick

good pick

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1. Top TWO Players Now? Bron

1. Top TWO Players Now? Bron and Durant

2. Best Player in 5 Years? Durant

3. Most Underrated? Tony Parker

4. Most Overrated? Jeremy Lin

5. Best Young Player (2 Yrs playing exp. or less)? Kyrie Irving, Ant Davis

6. Top TWO Rookies? Davis, Harrison Barnes

7. Top TWO Most Athletic?Griffin, Josh Smith

8. Most Skilled? Kobe

9. Best Leader? Bron

10. Top TWO All-Time? Jordan, Oscar

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Someone please explain to me

Someone please explain to me how Lebron is either the most skilled or best leader? I'm willing to concede that he has improved tremedously in both categories but there are players out there who still dwarf him in both regards.

Most skilled: his passing for a big man is impressive but Dirk, Kobe and Chris Paul are easily more skilled than him

Best Leader: I'm assuming people gave him this becasue he finally discovered how to play in the Finals but one year doesn't make up for all the years he's let his team down. Maybe in a couple years he deserves this but right now this award has to go to either Tim Duncan or Garnett

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Chris Paul and Kobe were my

Chris Paul and Kobe were my first thoughts on most skilled, but I put Lebron solely because he can do everything. Based on fundamentals, I would easily put these 2 on the top of the list. But Lebron is just good at everything, so it's kind of a subjective answer

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most skilled: easy bro, there

most skilled: easy bro, there is nothing he cant do. first of all defensively, guards everyone on the floor, including post players. that is a skill. on offense, same story, what cant he do? his passing, and handling are outstanding, and reading defenses is a skill which he does excellent. what skill is he missing, what is he NOT good at?

leadership: he is a great vocal leader who stays on top of his players AT ALL TIMES. and actions speak louder than words, his extreme hustle plays as a superstar is inspiring to team mates. and lastly, he is a awesome team mate

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Well I'm bored at work so

Well I'm bored at work so lets do this:

Defensively he is incredible but that is more to do with athleticism, hard work and size than skill

And yes he has point guard skills but he is still lacking a consistent mid range and post game

As for leadership, I do not believe a good leader flops nor has a history of giving up

But at the end of the day the argument isn't over whether Lebron is good in these two categories (because he is), its about whether he is the best in the league in these two categories (which he isn't)

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1. Top TWO Players Now?--

1. Top TWO Players Now?-- Lebron,(its only one)

2. Best Player in 5 Years?-- Kyrie Irving

3. Most Underrated?-- Brandon Roy

4. Most Overrated?-- Blake Griffin( people be givin him buckets)

5. Best Young Player (2 Yrs playing exp. or less)?-- Irving

6. Top TWO Rookies?-- Waiters and Gilchrist (davis is a givin)

7. Top TWO Most Athletic?-- Brandon J. and Wall

8. Most Skilled?-- Deron

9. Best Leader?-- Rondo

10. Top TWO All-Time?-- Mike Jordan, Bird

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i think that because he is an

i think that because he is an athletic freak you are underestimating his skills.

his skill set is outstanding. his mid-range jumper is barely lacking consistency, he made defenses pay time and time again if they gave him space.

and his post game has IMPROVED a ton, last year mavs matched up jason kidd w/ lebron and lbj did nothing but try to use his quickness blow by him. this year, he took it personal, reading size disengage and taking to the block everyone he could

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1. Top TWO Players Now? LeBron & Durant

2. Best Player in 5 Years? Durant

3. Most Underrated? Gordon Hayward

4. Most Overrated? Joe Johnson

5. Best Young Player? Kyrie, Davis will be better tho

6. Top TWO Rookies? Davis & Harrison Barnes

7. Top TWO Most Athletic? D Rose & Blake Griffin

8. Most Skilled? LeBron

9. Best Leader? Kobe

10. Top TWO All-Time? MJ & Kareem

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oh yeah

oh yeah

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and i just thought about a

and i just thought about a counter argument on the defensive side

how does he rely on hard work and athleticism to be a great defender when he gets ONLY 1.5 fouls while being the best defender in the nba. if it was all athleticism that foul per game number would be much much higher

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1. Top TWO Players Now?

1. Top TWO Players Now? LeBron & Durant

2. Best Player in 5 Years? Lebron

3. Most Underrated? Rajon Rondo(Still doesn't get the respect he deserves)

4. Most Overrated? Joe Johnson(long as he has that contract he's always going to be overrated)

5. Best Young Player? John Wall,Kyrie Irving(Tie)

6. Top TWO Rookies? Ant Davis, Damian Lillard

7. Top TWO Most Athletic? Russell Westbrook,Lebron James

8. Most Skilled? Kobe Bryant

9. Best Leader? Chris Paul

10. Top TWO All-Time? MJ,Magic

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Yours is almost exactly like

Yours is almost exactly like mine. The ones we have different were all my 2nd answers

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1. Top TWO Players Now?

1. Top TWO Players Now? LeBron, Durant

2. Best Player in 5 Years? LeBron

3. Most Underrated? Rondo

4. Most Overrated? Eric Gordon

5. Best Young Player (2 Yrs playing exp. or less)? Irvin, Wall

6. Top TWO Rookies? Davis, Gilchrist

7. Top TWO Most Athletic? Griffin, Gerald Green

8. Most Skilled? LeBron

9. Best Leader? Garnett

10. Top TWO All-Time? Jordan, Magic

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My take

1. Top TWO Players Now? 1. LeBron James 2. Kevin Durant

2. Best Player in 5 Years? LeBron James

3. Most Underrated? Andre Miller (Always seems to be part of a winner)

4. Most Overrated? David West (Carlos Boozer is too obvious, West did play pretty well in the play-offs. I will say he has been disappointing on the boards for years though with little consequence)

5. Best Young Player (2 Yrs playing exp. or less)? Kyrie Irving for now

6. Top TWO Rookies? Anthony Davis, Harrison Barnes

7. Top TWO Most Athletic? LeBron James, Blake Griffin

8. Most Skilled? Kobe Bryant

9. Best Leader? LeBron James

10. Top TWO All-Time? Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant

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My 10 Answers

1. Top TWO Players Now? LeBron James & Kevin Durant

2. Best Player in 5 Years? LeBron James & Kevin Durant

3. Most Underrated? LaMarcus Aldridge

4. Most Overrated? Amare Stoudemire

5. Best Young Player (2 Yrs playing exp. or less)? Kyrie Irving

6. Top TWO Rookies? Anthony Davis & Damin Lillard

7. Top TWO Most Athletic? Russel Westbrook & LeBron James

8. Most Skilled? Kobe Bryant

9. Best Leader? Derrick Rose

10. Top TWO All-Time? Michael Jordan & Magic Johnson

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Top 2? leBron, Durant 5

Top 2? leBron, Durant

5 years? Durant

Underrated? Rondo

Overrated? Joe Johnson

Best Young? Irving

Top 2 rookies? Davis, MKG

Top 2 Athletic? Blake Griffin, Westbrook

Skilled? Kobe Bryant

Best Leader? Garnett

Top 2 all time? Jordan and Magic

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1. Top TWO Players Now?

1. Top TWO Players Now? Durant Lebron

2. Best Player in 5 Years? Lebron

3. Most Underrated? Monroe

4. Most Overrated? Jeremy

5. Best Young Player (2 Yrs playing exp. or less)? Kyrie

6. Top TWO Rookies? MKG Davis

7. Top TWO Most Athletic? Westbrook Drummond

8. Most Skilled? Paul

9. Best Leader? Garnett

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Best of the best.

1. Top TWO Players Now? LeBron. GAP. Durant. (Everybody else....)

2. Best Player in 5 Years? Kevin Durant

3. Most Underrated? LaMarcus Aldridge

4. Most Overrated? James Harden

5. Best Young Player (2 Yrs playing exp. or less)? Blake Griffin

6. Top TWO Rookies? Anthony Davis and MKG

7. Top TWO Most Athletic? LeBron James, Blake Griffin

8. Most Skilled? LeBron James

9. Best Leader? Kevin Garnett

10. Top TWO All-Time? Jordan and Magic. Tough choices here, but the way I look at it, if you are drafting for an all-time fantasy basketball league, Jordan and Magic would be the top 2 picks. There are some incredible centers, but there are enough where you could get a solid one in the second round like a David Robinson, Patrick Ewing or even Dwight Howard, BUT there is only one Mike and there is only one Magic.

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1. Top TWO Players Now?

1. Top TWO Players Now? Lebron and Durant

2. Best Player in 5 Years? Durant

3. Most Underrated? Tony Parker

4. Most Overrated? Boozer

5. Best Young Player (2 Yrs playing exp. or less)? Griffin

6. Top TWO Rookies? Davis and Lillard

7. Top TWO Most Athletic? Westbrook and Griffin

8. Most Skilled? Lebron

9. Best Leader? Garnett

10. Top TWO All-Time? Jordan and Magic

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good pick

good pick

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10. Top TWO All-Time? Michael

10. Top TWO All-Time? Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant

Mikey I'm just a little interested why you picked Kobe as apposed to the other two Laker greats?

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I truly believe

That Kobe Bryant had incredibly few flaws as a basketball player. His skill set was incredible and his ability to carry teams far beyond where they should go is incredibly impressive to me. I understand that people seem to think that Magic and Kareem were better than Shaq and Kobe, I am not so sure they were. To me, Shaq and Kobe were the best duo of All-Time.

I truly believe those guys did just as much with a whole lot less. They carried a team with incredibly little to 3 straight NBA championships. Also, Kobe's three straight finals appearances with Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum were pretty damn amazing. His skill set is incredible, he outworked everybody and he at times could be absolutely unstoppable. Up until a few seasons ago, I feel like he was the best player in the world.

Magic was a tremendous All-Around player and definitely a competitor, just always felt like he had incredible pieces around him. Undoubtedly he made his team much better, just feel Kobe has been a monster over a longer period of time. His winning one MVP award is ridiculous to me and I feel he was a better defender than Magic, as well as having that incredible offensive skill set that made many believe him to be one of the more clutch players of All-Time.

Kareem of course had incredible longevity with NBA records (scoring, MVP's, among others). He was an absolute monster, was the leagues top player or close to it for years upon years. The thing is, I feel like others could have indeed stacked up to him in his prime. I think Shaq could indeed give Kareem fits and the thing that stands out to me is rebounding. Despite Kareem having strong career numbers, I feel like they are inflated a tad and that the other players considered top 5 centers (Wilt, Russell, Shaq and Hakeem) were much better rebounders.

Rebounding % is a pretty cool stat and I think that Kareem was not the rebounder people seem to think he was, at least amongst his peers. His rebounding % is 68th All-Time, as compared to Shaq's being 20th and Hakeem's being 29th. It was not kept his rookie season, though I doubt it would make much difference, maybe push him a tad higher. Still, this is the % of rebounds one could grab when on the floor, kind of puts things on equal footing in terms of board crashers.

So you ask, how do I know Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain were better? I guess I do not have absolute definitive proof of Russell, though with 11 rings and being the consummate winner in pro sports, do not think I need much. Just know that Bill was such an incredible defender, rebounder and leader that I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt over pretty much anyone past my first three players, Michael, Shaq and Kobe. Wilt, that is another story.

When Kareem came into the league at 22, Wilt was 33. He was injured for about all of Kareem's rookie season, than led the league in rebounding the next 3. His rebounding % better than Kareem's, his still being an utter beast well in check. People knock Wilt for "only" winning two championships, but forget he was maybe on two of the best teams in NBA history for those championships. Just was around at a pretty unfortunate time as far as incredibly stacked teams. Well, just my thoughts on the situation. It is an opinion, could be subject to change. If one disagrees with it, that is fine, would appreciate arguments against. Realize it is not necessarily popular, just how I feel. Was told by someone I did not respect others opinions. Think that is not true, people do not have to respect mine, just kind of feel like I at the very least provide some evidence and a view point to give people a window into why it exists.

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i think that because he is an

i think that because he is an athletic freak you are underestimating his skills.

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i think that because he is an

i think that because he is an athletic freak you are underestimating his skills.

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1. Top TWO Players Now?

1. Top TWO Players Now? Lebron and Durant

2. Best Player in 5 Years? Durant

3. Most Underrated? Rondo

4. Most Overrated? Bosh

5. Best Young Player (2 Yrs playing exp. or less)? Griffin

6. Top TWO Rookies? Davis, MKG

7. Top TWO Most Athletic? Westbrook, McGee

8. Most Skilled? Kobe

9. Best Leader? Garnett

10. Top TWO All-Time? Jordan and Magic

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1. Top TWO Players Now? -

1. Top TWO Players Now? - Lebron, CP3

2. Best Player in 5 Years? - Durant

3. Most Underrated? - Tyson Chandler

4. Most Overrated? - Andrea Bargani

5. Best Young Player (2 Yrs playing exp. or less)? - Blake Griffin

6. Top TWO Rookies? - Anthony Davis, Jeremy Lamb

7. Top TWO Most Athletic? - Lebron, Griffin

8. Most Skilled? - Chris Paul (healthy Brandon Roy)

9. Best Leader? - Chris Paul

10 All Time? - Jordan, Abdul-Jabaar

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good pick

good pick

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Here you go

1. Top TWO Players Now? #1. LeBron #2. Durant

2. Best Player in 5 Years? Lebron James

3. Most Underrated? Monta Ellis

4. Most Overrated? Carmelo Anthony

5. Best Young Player (2 Yrs playing exp. or less)? Kyrie Irving

6. Top TWO Rookies? #1. Davis #2. Lillard

7. Top TWO Most Athletic? #1. LeBron #2. Russell Westbrook

8. Most Skilled? Kobe Bryant

9. Best Leader? Kevin Garnett

10. Top TWO All-Time? #1. Michael Jordan #2. Magic Johnson

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1. Top TWO Players Now?

1. Top TWO Players Now? LeBron James, Kevin Durant

2. Best Player in 5 Years? LeBron James, Kevin Durant

3. Most Underrated? Ty Lawson - Few mentions amongst the elite PGs of the NBA, but he is definitely a high level player.

4. Most Overrated? Carmelo Anthony - Not the franchise savior some people made him out to be. Fantastic scorer and obvious all-star, but no other skills. Not top 10 without playoff success.

5. Best Young Player (2 Yrs playing exp. or less)? Blake Griffin (entering 3rd year)

6. Top TWO Rookies? Anthony Davis - For obvious reasons. Damian Lillard - Lillard will be a focal point from day 1 for a rebuilding Blazer squad.

7. Top TWO Most Athletic? LeBron James, Blake Griffin

8. Most Skilled? LeBron James, Kevin Durant

9. Best Leader? Tim Duncan - Leads by example and experience.

10. Top TWO All-Time? Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson

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does anyone ever read all 1000 of mickyv paragraphs?

Does it really take all of that writing to get a point across? I dont think so.

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I would think everyone reads

I would think everyone reads every word mikey's posts. I enjoy reading his and other posters on here differ or match my point of view. Then if by chance I disagree, a friendly debate may occur. To get his point across and not to come off as a homer or w/e, he thoroughly explains how he arrived at his opinion. So,...yeah,....we all read all of mikey's posts.

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I think

I think

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Best Player in 5 Years?

Best Player in 5 Years? LeBron James, Kevin Durant

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There are so many factors

There are so many factors tugging the importance of what happened on Tuesday in either direction. Yes, Love, Roy and Kirilenko combined for 56 points. But it was against an inferior opponent, hardly an NBA-caliber squad. (Scale tips in one direction.) But Maccabi Bazan Haifa nearly beat Golden State last week. (Scale tips a bit back in the other.) And this was the first time the first-team offense seemed to hit a rhythm. (Tips a bit further.)

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