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utah jazz fans

how many of you guys are pissed right now? im done! not watching another game this year unless some of the starters get injured!


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They traded for Favours. I

They traded for Favours. I was assuming that they'd make a trade to give the young guy so more minutes. Maybe they didn't get what they considered to be full value for either of their starting bigs. Stay the course though Lofty, they do have some talent!

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yeah but our bigs need some

yeah but our bigs need some playing time, with paul and big al they get crap for minutes. our best poing guard isnt even a point. alec burks is better than earl and tinsley. im just sick of watching the starters. favors said he wants more minutes. he has gone up like 3-5 mpg this year. next year is his last contract year and i dont wanna see him leave like james harden did.

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The Jazz are 31-24 and

The Jazz are 31-24 and currently the 7th seed in the West. What in the hell are you mad for?

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read my second comment. i

read my second comment. i explain why i am pissed. if the jazz dont give favors playing time he is going to leave!

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Favors will be with the Jazz

Favors will be with the Jazz for at least two more years. It's hard to imagine a scenario where he doesn't re-sign.

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Favors isn't going anywhere.

The Jazz will give Favors a max contract or at least match whatever teams throw at him when he's a free agent. I guarantee it. They traded Deron Williams for him, he's not going anywhere. The team has said a million times that they're not going to make a lopsided trade that loses playoff position just to give Favors minutes. Favors is only 21 years old, he's going to play a lot of ball in a Jazz jersey. Don't worry so much about it.

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Because being a borderline playoff team is not enough.

The Utah Jazz have a collection of assets that should form into a true contender soon, provided productive management decisions are made. However, the Jazz' management continues to fail in efforts to acquire the pieces that could help push the team over the top or remove obstacles to allow for the development of our young talent. Instead, the team acquires and gives heavy minutes to mercenaries (a bunch of marginal players on one-year deals) at the expense of our young talent's development.

That is why Jazz fans are mad right now. The franchise is sacrificing an improved future for playoff revenues this season. They did the same thing last year and I'm sure they always will if they have the choice. That is bad for the team in the long run.

If you watch opinion on this site and others, most people now think that Favors/Kanter are lesser talent than other bigs picked after them in their respective draft classes. The reality is that Favors/Kanter are amazing talents who simply have not been given the minutes to prove their true value. My bigger concern is that this lack of opportunity will hurt these players in the long run.

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What makes you think Favors,

What makes you think Favors, Kanter, Hayward and Burks aren't developing? There have been big jumps from both Favors and Hayward from last year to this year: Favors is much improved in the post (notice that they don't run pick and rolls for him when he's out there, he uses his time on the floor to develop in weak areas of his game) and his free-throws have improved 10% while attempting the second-most on the team (and in 22 minutes a game, mind you!) and Hayward's confidence, shot and handles look so much better. The only reason Hayward doesn't start is because he needs to be the first or second option. I expect something similar from Kanter and Burks next year.

The Jazz are trying to do what OKC has done, only without those first few years of being straight terrible. If they throw the kids out there next season now with two or three years of NBA experience, a few new pieces added along with Jefferson or Millsap, the first half of the season won't be stellar, but halfway through they're going to make a strong playoff push.

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I wish my raptors problems

I wish my raptors problems all these years was having too much talent :(

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I'm with you.

Aside from the DWill for Favors trade, I've hated almost all of the team's management decisions. The deference to veterans' playing time has been ongoing and ridiculous and the lack of logical shifting of assets has been mind numbing.

How our ownership/front office shun the best player in franchise history (Malone) and fail to take reasonable action to improve the team in the long run is ridiculous. IAnd I suspect our highly touted cap space will be spent on marginal castoffs from other teams rather than true building blocks (Marvin Williams, Mo Williams, Randy Foye, etc.). Another frustrating day for Jazz nation.

End rant.

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i could not have said it any

i could not have said it any better! THANKS!

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hey bloodshy do you think the

hey bloodshy do you think the jazz new GM was afraid to pull the trigger on any deal he was offered?

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I really don't know.

I'm not sure how decisions are made in the organization. I suspect Greg Miller and Kevin O'Conner are very involved. I see this as a problem as I do not trust Greg Miller's wisdom since his Karl Malone debacle and subsequent failure to bring Malone in to coach our bigs.

In short, I don't know how it works, but I doubt Lindsey has unfettered freedom to make moves.

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I'm with you guy's 100%. I am

I'm with you guy's 100%. I am so angry right now!

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yeah the Jazz are 7th in the west, but theres no chance they make it out of the first round, what the hell is the point to have two young bigs and not play them.. omg

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Lofty and Bloodshy I agree

Lofty and Bloodshy I agree with you guys 100%....well said....I'd like to think the problem is Corbin....it seems like he is just refusing to play the young guys. The starting lineup is a collection of marginal mercenaries......really tough to see.

I find myself only paying attention to the bench numbers when I look at the Utah Jazz's box score. It's really frustrating. They have a great group of young talent.

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It would have made more sense

It would have made more sense for Utah to stand pat if they were a highly desirable free agent destination which really isn't the case. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see any point in bringing back both Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap once the season is out. Derrick Favours and Enes Kanter need the minutes and as we've already seen the past two seasons, there isn't much time for Favours and Kanter behind Jefferson and Millsap.

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Be grateful...

...that at the end of the day, your team isn't owned by the Maloofs. Holy hell, that T-Rob trade was a bad deal. Stern should have used his "basketball reasons" clause to veto that ish. The Maloofs are epic scumbags.

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You guys act like Kanter (20)

You guys act like Kanter (20) and Favors (21) are regressing playing behind two seasoned big men and getting a taste of the playoffs. I don't see how this has stunted their development.

With Jefferson and Millsap being on the last year of their deals, they most likely won't return. I personally would've tried to flip them into other pieces (Utah did try to trade Millsap for Eric Bledsoe, but that deal never made sense for the Clippers in my opinion).

Regardless, I think it's being a bit dramatic to not watch the team because of this, when they'll most likely be playing in the playoffs.

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I had personally thought that

I had personally thought that Utah were bound to move one of Millsap or Jefferson before deadline day as one is likely to go in the summer. But I can see the logic in keeping them both for now for the following reasons:-

1. Utah isn't a huge market so play off revenue is important to them and keeping this line up gives them their best chance to consolidate this.

2. If they had moved one of Millsap and Jefferson perhaps with the intention of keeping the other and the other one moves on then they are left with neither. If only one had remained now especially Jefferson he would have been in a much stronger position to look for a bigger contract than if either could be retained.

3.Okay Kanter and Favours can step up but there would still be major minutes to fill around them, hence I think that Utah will look to go with a main 3 man big rotation next year and have a veteran who can come in when needed but can also have some DNP's if needed.

4. Favours and Kanter hopefully have well over a decade ahead of them in the NBA each so another few months on the bench won't hurt them.

5. Favours is up for renewal if desired this summer and maybe Utah think they can tie him up for less long term than if he had a run as a starter and put up Millsap/Jefferson type stats. This could be the difference of at least $10 million aprox over a 4 year deal as I'd say now that Favours would have a minimum renewal value of $10 million plus per year.

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Yeah

I'm fine with the team standing pat. The Jazz are a smart organization, and if there was a good deal on the table that benefited the franchise, I'm sure they would have pulled the trigger. They're way too patient to force a sloppy trade just to appease a hotheaded fanbase. With Millsap and Jefferson, they'll be more competitive in the playoffs this year (compared to a year ago, anyway), and they'll retain an absurd amount of financial and roster flexibility in the future.

That being said, Bledsoe would have been an extremely interesting acquisition. Oh well.

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No money!

No money!

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Happy 20,300th Point!

What's good, mate? Nice to see a few familiar names around here. Kinda feels like this is a completely different forum.

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Walk away

I like our bigs. But we cant keep all four. This means we are goig to have to let atlest one walk with out getting anything back.

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The only way that Utah could

The only way that Utah could get something back would be to do a sign and trade if a team wanting Millsap or Jefferson did not have quite enough cap space but the return would be minimal given the new S and T rules.

The only other way would be to retain both MIllsap and Jefferson and trade either Kanter or Favours but that would be highly unlikely unless they got a fantastic offer given the upside of the two younger guys.

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Al Jefferson has been playing

Al Jefferson has been playing lights out lately and is sure to gauge some interest this off season. If the Sixers lose Bynum I wouldn't mind seeing him being the low post scorer they need. He isn't a max player but he is one of the best inside scorers in the NBA. It will be interesting to see where he ends up...If I were Utah I would certainly consider keeping him and moving Kanter for a young PG or draft pick.

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