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I hate to say i called this, but i did. Not a bad trade either for the Jazz. Yes we lost our best player, but he wanted out anyways. The rumors must have been true, so instead of waiting around another year and trying to make Deron happy we traded him. Word is he's not happy about it either. Now he's he Nets problem. I wounder what kinda player Harris come become in Utah? Favors will be a big lift as the first big off the bench. And hopfully can devolpe into a beast? Thoughts?


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Favors' upside is a bit

Favors' upside is a bit overrated to me, he looks very similar to Serge Ibaka and could be a good player but I can't see him being a all-star PF. DHarris is a good PG. The 2 1st round picks should help the rebuilding process, this years class is weak, but next year is looking strong.

I think the Jazz could have gotten more for DWill. I'm sure there are other teams besides the Nets that would have had interest?

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Wow I was wrong. I found

Wow I was wrong. I found that Deron Williams does now want to be there. This could end bad for NJ. Dolan still trumps Mikalov.

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Comparing him to Ibaka is a

Comparing him to Ibaka is a huge compliment. Ibaka is only 21 and very productive. Ibaka could be an All star if he continues to improve. Kevin Love made it as an All star this year over Lamarcus Alridge. I am sure if Ibaka can get minutes and put up block shots and rebound with monster dunks, he has a chance. There are no set big men in the West that will make it year after year if even Duncan playing less than 30 minutes is an All star. Let's be honest i there were better young forwards and centers in the West, he would not have made it in regardless of what he has done in the past.

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That was actually generous to

That was actually generous to compare Favors to Ibaka, Favors isn't even near the shot blocker that Ibaka is.

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Harris and Favors are both

Harris and Favors are both nice young players. Favors is only what barely 20? Plus those should be some pretty good picks as well. D Will wont take them out of the lotery. His attitude was starting to become poisonous in the locker room im sure. He wanted out, now he's out. He can take his &$#%#&@!y attitude and poor leadership skills to NJ. And complain more their about being on a lottery team.

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Harris and Favors are both

Harris and Favors are both nice young players. Favors is only what barely 20? Plus those should be some pretty good picks as well. D Will wont take them out of the lotery. His attitude was starting to become poisonous in the locker room im sure. He wanted out, now he's out. He can take his &$#%#&@!y attitude and poor leadership skills to NJ. And complain more their about being on a lottery team.

Hate to say I told you so, but I told you that Deron Williams is good as gone. The fact he got traded for 40 cents on the dollar should open your eyes about him and Sloan, he was pushed out.

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First let me assure you that

First let me assure you that this trade was made not because Dwill forced Sloan out, but because Dwill wanted out of Utah. You could see it in the way he played. He was not happy with Utah. Now he will be even more upset because Jersey is worse off than Utah is. Ironic, and funny.

But I have a question if Favors has the potential to be an allstar I would want him to develop and rather quickly too. He certainly isn't gonna do that sitting on the bench. Could Millsap be traded inorder for this to happen like say in the offseason?

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First let me assure you that

First let me assure you that this trade was made not because Dwill forced Sloan out, but because Dwill wanted out of Utah. You could see it in the way he played. He was not happy with Utah. Now he will be even more upset because Jersey is worse off than Utah is. Ironic, and funny.

Pure Comedy right here.

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Had nothin to do with Sloan.

Had nothin to do with Sloan. It had to do with him wanting to leave anyways. Look at my old post and see the trade i made on the trade machine. Almost the same deal that went down. I figured if he wanted out the Jazz wouldnt wait around.

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Had nothin to do with Sloan.

Had nothin to do with Sloan. It had to do with him wanting to leave anyways. Look at my old post and see the trade i made on the trade machine. Almost the same deal that went down. I figured if he wanted out the Jazz wouldnt wait around.

He argued with Sloan in front of the media among other things. Note, these are YOUR beat writers on twitter saying this. I'm not making anything up. If you think Williams had nothing to do with Sloan leaving, you're crazy.

As for the deal, you took 60 cents on the dollar and made a impulse trade. It's a nice deal, but you should have waited till summer IMO.

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Sloan was old and was gonna

Sloan was old and was gonna leave soon anyways. Deron had something to do with it but wasnt the only reason. Anyways as a Jazz fan i like the trade. We got some good talent and some high picks. Now Deron can have fun pointing the finger and racking up losses in NJ

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Don't believe everything you hear.

Twitter can be wrong. yeah he argued with Sloan but that just means that both he and Sloan are fiery competitors not that Dwill has an attitude problem.

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Sloan was old and was gonna

Sloan was old and was gonna leave soon anyways. Deron had something to do with it but wasnt the only reason. Anyways as a Jazz fan i like the trade. We got some good talent and some high picks. Now Deron can have fun pointing the finger and racking up losses in NJ

So pushing him out because he was old makes it right? Also....you really think Deron Williams is gonna struggle in New Jersey? I'm willing to bet New Jersey has a better second half record then Utah.

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This is what happens when you

This is what happens when you force a legend out, throw a basketball at a teammates head during a game and act like a diva all season... You get traded from a playoff team to a team that's headed nowhere.

I bet Williams will miss the Jazz and his former teammates now...

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Dwill was the last straw for

Dwill was the last straw for Sloan. He wasn't the sole reason Sloan left but he was part of it. Sloan was already considering not coming back for the past couple of seasons and the Dwill thing just pushed him over the edge. It would have been the same if any other player did it. After the arguement he went to management and asked to suspend Dwill, Management didn't agree and he said he is no puppet and will just quit then and thats what he did

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Are you serious right now?

Are you serious right now? Who do the Nets have that can play besides Williams and Lopez? Who cant even grab a rebound. They suck and will continue to suck. Remember you made that comment when we have a top ten pick next year.

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@wardb12 The Sloan news is

@wardb12

The Sloan news is water under the bridge now, but you need to wake up.

It's 100% clear now that Williams forced Sloan out. The reports about Williams' issues this season are legit. Or else the Jazz wouldn't have moved him like this.

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Indiana and lakeshow i agree

Indiana and lakeshow i agree with you both

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Are you serious right now?

Are you serious right now? Who do the Nets have that can play besides Williams and Lopez? Who cant even grab a rebound. They suck and will continue to suck. Remember you made that comment when we have a top ten pick next year.

The Nets are 17-40 right now and are the 6th worst team, I dobut they jump over 4 teams...so that's what I mean when I said you should have a top 10 pick.

I'm sorry, but you clearly don't know how good Williams is and/or being bias about him because he wanted to leave Utah.

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This was a good trade for the

This was a good trade for the Nets and it makes them better. Dwill is much better than Harris at every aspect of the game and he will clearly make Brook's job easier as well as make the other players better

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I'm willing to say this could

I'm willing to say this could make New Jersey a 40 win team next season.

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I realize its under the

I realize its under the bridge, indianabasketball, but this is a topic that I am really irate about because it just seems stupid that a star player would force Sloan out who had been with the Jazz for 23 years and dwill was only their for 5. Surely, he's had problems with star players before, why didn't he just quit then. For example with Malone? Yeah Malone respected him but so did DWill.

But if its true that Sloan asked management to suspend Dwill and they didn't then maybe management needed to handle it better and start paying attention to their players more. Maybe if Greg Miller wasn't owner of the Jazz this wouldn't have happened. Not saying that he needs to leave but his style is a little different from his dad's (the late Larry Miller) Larry Miller would always pay attention to his players. For example I once read that Larry often came to practices to just sit and watch and when he Coach Sloan and Malone get into a fight he would sit back and watch and then after practice he would go and ask both Sloan and Malone if everything is alright. Greg does not do that. I don't even think he comes to practices anymore. He kind of owns the Jazz like he's a third wheel and maybe his influence rubbed off on the rest of management so maybe that is why they didn't handle the Dwill situation correctly.

Just a thought. Anyway back to what we were talking about beforehand, will Millsap get traded like in the offseason for maybe a SG?

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That makes no sense if Utah

That makes no sense if Utah was going to trade Deron Williams anyway then why would they let Sloan retire like a week or so ago. There was more to it than that. The media does not have all the answers. They just found out about this Deron Williams trade that went down. Most of the stuff the media people do is hearsay and gossip. Eventually so of the truth will leak out.

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Utah wasn't gonna trade Dwill

Utah wasn't gonna trade Dwill though thats the thing. They traded him because he must have really let it be known that there was no way he was gonna resign with them. I'm pretty sure Utah either didn't think Sloan would really quit or they didn't mind if he left because they wanted a change. And with Sloans fan base there was no way they were gonna force him out.

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D-Will gets traded and Sloan

D-Will gets traded and Sloan comes back to coaching the Jazz. Seriously how awesome would tha be if Sloan came back this year? Ultimate F U to D-Will.

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Utah has an extremely

Utah has an extremely passionate fan base - reports are that it's hard to hear the whistle at the Energy Solutions Arena because of how loud the fans are. And with Williams looking more and more like the reason they lost their hall of fame coach they've loved for 23 years, he had worn out his welcome. A growing percentage of the fan base didn't want him and this avoids a drawn out saga like the Carmelo one we just saw some resolution on.

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I've

I've been a Jazz since forever, and I did NOT think we had the balls to pull off a trade this season!

I love Derrick Favors, but I don't think he's a future all-star. If he just rebounds and plays hard then Utah fans will love him. Devin Harris is overrated and we should trade him to the Blazers for Pryzbilla and a future pick.

Can we re-sign Sundiata Gains? Make it happen KOC, you devilishy awesome man, you!

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If only Sloan was still

If only Sloan was still around to turn favors into Malone...

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No

JAZZ PEOPLE!

Do you remember when Saer Sene had a pre-draft workout with the Jazz? Karl Malone was in charge with that workout and he said that he would have loved to work with Sene over the season. We didn't draft him, but would Malone coach Favors one-on-one?

He said that he would love to be a part of the Jazz (of course that was with Larry Miller and Jerry Sloan), and he was only a phone call away.

MAKE IT HAPPEN, KOC!

Malone + Favors = BEAST

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AGREED ^^^^^

He's a 20yr old rookie with great athletism. Amagine what he can become here in Utah learning from one of the greatest pf's of all time. He's no Deron but Harris call ball also.

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The Jazz did just bring Jeff

The Jazz did just bring Jeff Hornacek in as an assistant coach. Why not bring back another great Jazzman from the past? I think there is some relationship repair to do with Jazz fans after losing Jerry Sloan and Phil Johnson to apparently side with a prima donna point guard who they just dealt away. And I think learning from one of the best power forwards to play the game can only do Favors some good.

And Nomoney, the first thing I thought of when I found out about this trade is in one of your anti-D-Will rants you said trade Williams to the Nets for Harris.

I miss Gaines too. How sweet was that game winner he made?

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That Favors-Malone idea is

That Favors-Malone idea is great.

Utah should really look toward getting alot of guys PT and tanking to miss the playoffs. Minnesota owns Utah's pick (top 16 protected) and you can use that pick right now. If I'm Utah, Favors is starting and Milsap is coming off the bench.

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First off, with or without

First off, with or without Jerry Sloan, I can't see Utah tanking. Ever. They're just not that kind of team.

And I don't think you want to bench Millsap. You just got rid of one unhappy player, don't create another.

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Ya Millsap is to productive

Ya Millsap is to productive and has earned that starting job. He had to wait for Boozer to leave before he got it also. Favors probably will start sooner than later but it wont be this year.

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I keep hearing

That there is no dwill in this years draft. Correct me if I am wrong but derek williams is in this draft. But no these picks arent the greatest. I would love to see us go and get kyrie just like we got dwill. I wish we got a sg for d will like morrow but o well all is good.

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First off, with or without

First off, with or without Jerry Sloan, I can't see Utah tanking. Ever. They're just not that kind of team.

- When I mean tanking, I mean starting your younger player to keep your draft pick. Happens all the time and would you rather have two lotto picks or one lotto pick? Thank you.

And I don't think you want to bench Millsap. You just got rid of one unhappy player, don't create another.

- Are you slow? I never said bench him, I said move him to the bench. Let Milsap be the 6th man where he's more productive and allow Favors to develop.

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^^^^

Not going to happen.

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Yeah

We won't tank, and we won't start Favors over Millsap (even though it makes a lot of sense).

Also, Utah owns their own first round pick. We traded the Memphis first round pick to Minnesota. The one we got from the Ronnie Brewer trade.

CodySLC - Favors is 19 years old.

Word on the street (ESPN) is that Utah is interested in Hasheem Thabeet, but won't trade Kirilenko or Millsap for him. That would be interesting.

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Cool with me, it doesn't

Cool with me, it doesn't matter. My Knicks are going to the playoffs. I'm giving my 2 cents on it.

I hope you guys make the playoffs, so you can lose that pick and then draft Jimmer Fredette with New Jersey's pick ( or do what everyone expects you to do). This is the EXACT reason why Utah's been what is has always been, average. You guys wanna play the right way, the safe way. That's the reason why this deal won't benefit you guys. Why? Because IF Derrick Favors pans out, IF you get solid players in the 2011 draft, they will always leave, because your team doesn't have the BALLS to be daring.

Tell me I'm wrong...

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19 is even better than 20.

19 is even better than 20. Thats crazy young. He has so much room to improve. He's got the body, the athletism, and from what ive heard a great head on this shoulders.

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That is not how the Jazz

That is not how the Jazz operate. Corbin is running the show now, but he was an assistant under Jerry Sloan for years and I would imagine some of that old school mentality rubbed off on him. And I would rather have a competitive team who goes out every night and tries their best to win.

As for the second one, it means the exact same &$#%#&@! thing! And I have seen no evidence that Millsap is more productive as a 6th man than a starter. And Favors will have a chance to develop. It doesn't have to be right now when the team is trying to make the playoffs.

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Millsap

Millsap does not thrive in a starting role. He's been a below-average defender this year and a mediocre rebounder. Those were his greatest strengths coming off the bench. Favors needs the playing time, and he is actually a great compliment to Al Jefferson.

The funny thing is, Jerry Sloan might have actually started Favors in steed of Millsap -- in the same manner Hayward would start over CJ Miles.

Makes sense, but won't happen.

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Knicksboy is the copy and

Knicksboy is the copy and paste king.

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I copy and paste so the

I copy and paste so the person I'm adressing knows I'm talking to them.

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Dude, we own our first round pick no matter where we go.

I am a bit worried that we'll draft Jimmer in the top-10 though. Maybe he's worth it, I'll have to put on my scouting breeches.

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As for Utah not owing

As for Utah not owing Minnesota a draft pick

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

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Atleast we are in the

Atleast we are in the playoffs every year. Whens the last time the Knicks won series? Or for that matter even made the playoffs? Times are changing in Utah. Greg Miller is a younger more outspoken owner, and Corbin is a younger more enthusiastic coach. This trade took balls to make.

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Atleast we are in the

Atleast we are in the playoffs every year. Whens the last time the Knicks won series? Or for that matter even made the playoffs? Times are changing in Utah. Greg Miller is a younger more outspoken owner, and Corbin is a younger more coach. This trade took balls to make.

That's it? Ya'll win the 6-8 seed every year? That makes you better? Damn. Eventually, you guys should be able to make a break...oh wait, you won't because you just traded your star point guard for 60 cents on the dollar.

Excuse me 40 cents, because we don't know if that Derrick Favors coin is real.

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Ya thats it. And wait what

Ya thats it. And wait what have the Knicks done in the last decade? And we know that Williams wont be happy in NJ. Their garbage. Its trouble waiting to happen.

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