UNC vs. Kentucky game thread
MKG performance was impressive, especially the way he strapped up Barnes.
BTW Teague sucks. He's UK's weakest link.
Teague doesn't suck lol he just prolly was a lil overrated, and he is NOT better than JEFF not at all, Jeff was a beast by the time he got to college.
mkg played great, tj was really good in the 1st half, lamb hit some big, and of course davis came up huge at the end, but lets not forget about darius miller. i thought he played great on both ends and really never gets the credit he deserves. my opinion he gets taken in the 2nd rd and makes somones squad
I wouldn't say Teague sucks, but he is their weak link and was extrememly overrated. I've watched him play 3-4 games and hasn't impressed me once. Definitely not the best pg in the nation.
^^^ agreed he doesn't get the credit he deserves. Teague has not played to his ranking but he hasn't sucked at all. His brother didn't play much better his first year and he was more of a option than Teague was. People also forget how UK PG's get better as the year goes on and Teague has gotten better as the year has gone on. People are expecting more but he doesn't have to do more with this team. He just has to pass, not turn the ball over and play good defense. He gets in the lane when ever he wants but sometimes goes to far, he hasn't gone as far the past couple of games and has taken good floaters (didn't hit them today) more often.
Scary part about all of this is UK is only gonna get a lot better just like they always do with Cal. They just started adding offensive plays a 2 weeks ago!!
Compare Teagues numbers to the other Freshmen PG is year in college and then say he has been Extremely overrated. Kobongo isn't lighting the world on fire and he has more freedom to score, Scott for Ohio State?
Some people are comparing him to past UK pg's when he should be compared to his peers who are also freshmen in college. PG is a very very hard position to learn as a incoming freshman
Yea Jeff was more of an option, but at least he could shoot lol Marquis really cant hit a mid range or 3, or a free throw, hopefully he will be ok.
BJ Young is killing it for Arkansas and Tony Wroten is killing it for Washington, Jahii Carson is still ineligible.
But Young and Wroten are definitely killing for their programs I think Young averages 13 points 4 rebounds and 2 assist in only 22 MPG
I'm calling him overrated as a player, it doesn't matter how other players are doing compared to him. He is inefficient, and definitely their weak link at this point. I don't see how anyone can deny that. He should've lit up Marshall and didn't. However, I'd be willing to bet he will be much improved by the end of the year, because like you said Cal does that with his guards.
why would jahii carson get brought up as someone teague is outplaying? Carson isnt playing. Everyone in america is outplaying carson.
Teague -11ppg 4ast rebounds on the number one team in the country as the fourth option. See the different between that and Washington(not even a top 20 team and Arkansas ( not even a top 5 team in the SEC) So if Teague is on the top team in the nation playing against better teams with his numbers it would make sense to say he is playing as well if not better
and Wroten gets 14 4 4 2 in only like 23mpg..only cut turnovers which would lets him play 30+ minutes and we would see him in top10
Why should he have lit up Marshall? What sense would it have made for him to be the focal point of the offense when he is the 4th option? He's not a very good shooter so he would have driven past Marshall and then what? Try to score over Henson and Zeller? His only down falls are his not making better passes and turnovers. He is scoring right about where he shoul dbe on this team but he needs to be getting more assist and making better decisions once he gets in the lane. I'm sure he will get better at that as the season goes along
I agree he is overrated as far as people saying lotto pick from day one
Wroten is also more of a option on offense and more of a shooting Guard than a PG at this point. The bigs on Washington aren't really options, the offense runs through the guards
Wroten plays with a backcourt that is one of the best in the country. You're obviously biased if you think Teague has lived up to expectations. Teague is not playing well and right now is overrated. Will he get better as the season progresses? I'm sure he will.
Your a UK fan so your going to go to bat for him, but when Wall came out as the #1 PG in the country he went right to Kentucky and dominated and was the first option.
Now in no way im comparing Teague to Wall,Rose,Evans or whoever.
But if Teague was as good as he was hyped up to be he would be the #1 or #2 option for the team, with his combination of Size,speed,strength,and quickness there should be no way he isn't doing more for that Kentucky team.
Wall had 4 guys on the team that went to the NBA with him and he still was the #1 option, No excuse can be made for Teague, he's just not living up to his billing YET, not a bad thing, but honestly if he didnt have the #1 PG ranking last year and Jeff Teague wasn't his brother I honestly would think he was a average player.
He should've taken Marshall to the hole and dished to his freak teammate Anthony Davis. Zeller is not good at all defensively and taking Marshall to the hole he would have Davis and seomone else to dish too, if not get a good shot off instead of going 3/11. It's obvious you're going to defend him to no end so I'm done with this. You have your opinion and I have my own.
Teague isn't Wall though and some people don't seem to get that. Teague was projected as a lotto pick not the number one pick so the Wall comparison makes zero sense. Who had Teague as the Number 1 option for this team? Not one UK fan or scout even said anything close to that the order was projected as follows
That was the order from not only UK fans but scouts so I'm confused as to why non UK fans though Teague was supposed to be option number one. Knight,Wall was projected to be option one or two from day one Teague was not. Like i said before some people had higher expectations for Teague because of what Wall,Knight,Rose did but in reality most people didn't even have Teague as a top 3 option. Other than getting more assist what exactly did some of y'all expect him to do? His role wasn't gonna be as a scorer like Wall or Knight and Cal said that from day one. Cal said he would be the 4th option at best for the season.
But honestly high school rankings are just all a matter of hype anyway. While obviously a useful tool, no one knows how they'll adjust to the college game. With Teague many thought he'd come in like being top option for 'em like youngdave mentioned, based on all the hype and what ppl were reading. But its clear at this point, his job is just to bring the ball up, and not turnover the ball, and hit the open man with basic passes; as anything beyond that, he'll get wildly out of control, which isn't uncommon for a freshman scoring point guard.
YupYup you are right and I've said that plenty of times, he needs to get in the lane and pass more instead of looking for his shot. He is only overrated in the fact that some people went to far and said he's a high lotto from day one and that is mostly from what the past UK PG's have done. The funny thing is these are the same comments people on here said about Knight early in the year. Some even said the same thing about Wall Early in his freshman year when he was turning it over like it was the latest new craze
Once Teague realizes he needs to pass more he will become the player people knows he can become, he's gotten better at it but he still sometimes thinks he needs to be a top scoring option on this team and he doesn't. He can Learn from Davis, a player who gets the ball and could try to drive past the big guarding him everytime but instead runs through the plays and looks to pass the ball
I clearly said I wasn't comparing Teague to Wall, but Teague has damn near the most potential on that team thanks to his ELITE athleticism and the way the game is played today, and he's not living up to his billing not even close.
And I bet you those scouts didn't think he would be playing like crap tho, cause thats exactly what he's playing like.
Teague should be doing the same things Wall,Knight,Rose did, creating alot of Havoc with his abilities BUT he's not doing anything but shooting jumpers that arent falling or turning the ball over, just admit he's not playing like A #1 PG,McDonalds All American, Lottery Pick, Future NBA player.
I can agree with all of that.
Playing like Crap? 4th option on the number 1 team as a freshman 7-8 game sinto the season. Not dominating but that's not his role but far from playing like crap. What exactly are expectations for a 4th option freshman on the number one team int he country?
Once again expecting more than what the team needs him to do. Does need to pass more that i agree with but far from playing like crap. The offense isn't " let teague be more athletic and score more" This isn't UK team of last year or the year before that needs that. They just need Teague to pass and not turn it over a lot. Same way They don't need Davis to score a bunch of points. Just block shots and rebound even though just like Teague he is faster and more athletic than anyone guarding him, but he knows his role. Teague is starting to know his role which is pass, pass, pass and score when open. Just because he's a McDonald's AA and top PG doesn't mean he's supposed to come in and score like a Wall or Knight. The offense would be less effective if he did that. He's actually been trying to do that and Cal sits him down and lets him know that's not the role Cal wants for him.
Just gotta stop expecting more than what his role for the team is, the role he was expected to have even before the season start. Role being- get assist and don't turn it over a lot, not use you're athletic ability to be a offensive force and score
Was anyone else kind of unimpressed with Barnes? I mean the only moves I've seen from him this year is a spot up jump shot or a one dribble pull up. He had 0 FT attempts and 0 assists....The one time he did take it to the hole he got stripped.
I'm kind of torn on whether or not Harrison should come out this year. He could go next year and improve on his handling/driving ability, or the extra year might just mean one more year to dissect Barnes's weaknesses.
Right now I'd take MKG over Harrison because he is much more dynamic on both ends of the floor.
harrison barnes lacks foot speed...
he doesnt blow by anybody... and thats the same with t-jones as well
anthony davis has to get way stronger in the post, i think zeller needs to get stronger with the ball to... watching the unlv game, he got the ball stripped a lot, which he shouldve just went up and potentially gotten fouled
he needs another post move beside his over the shoulder hook shot
anthony davis is a defensive monster...MKG impressed me a lot...i really dont like Zeller at all like most people do...teague needs to hit his free throws, your a point guard for crying out loud...but dont forget, Jeff Teague didnt dominate in college, in fact he was rather dissapointing IMO...
i know this is an obvious statement, but UK is straight stacked and thats why they won...
the only thing im concerned with kentucky is there lack of depth
this will be calapari's most talented UK team thus far
but dont forget, Jeff Teague didnt dominate in college, in fact he was rather dissapointing IMO...
What? Jeff Teague averaged 18.8ppg, 3.5ast, 3.3rpg his soph year and that's disappointing? You've got some high standards huh? smh
It was a thrilling but poorly played game. John Henson is a heck of a shot blocker, but still is a lousy defender. Numerous times, he could have turned the Kentucky guards and wings out of the lane or made them pass out by being positioning sound, but instead waited to go for the block. It cost UNC because too many times he didn't get it. Washington Wizard defense doesn't work in the NBA.
Zeller got fazed by the double teams and rushed himself. It was disappointing considering he could have had 20+ points and 10+ free throws if he kept his cool.
Terrence Jones had one of his SEC games where he wasn't bigger or quicker than the guy guarding him and was can't function offensively. He still has a lousy jumper and can only go left. The big picture problem is that kind of guy defending him is every night in the NBA.
I hope I never hear another word about Anthony Davis' motor. It just goes to show what an incredibly fake term that is. He spent just as much time with his hands on his knees setting screens with his elbows as Yancy Gates on his worst days. He is as long as they come and has incredible unpolished talent, but stop it with the motor nonsense.
Kidd-Gilchrist was incredible, possibly the best player on the floor. For a team that really has a bad halfcourt offense with very little movement, him and Lamb are the only guys who can attack the defense, and they did so as well as anyone could.
Kendall Marshall who is as smooth an operator as there is. I can't help but wonder where UNC would be without him.
BTPH makes a good point about hensons on ball D
i was going to say the same thing as well
his post d isnt even good... his length makes up for his short coming on defense, hes still a twig
that goes for anthony davis as well
his arm span rekes havoc on opposing teams
if kentucky didnt double zeller, he wouldve had at least 25 points on davis
The difference is that Henson is in his third year. It should be an indictment on Roy Williams that he isn't a more sound defender. It really was apparent yesterday because of Kentucky's poor perimeter shooting. On those days when they aren't hitting from the perimeter, lock down the middle and force them out. You don't show up late on rotations to try to get a block.
well those arent dominating numbers by any means....and he dissapeared in the March...so yea i guess i do have high standards...
So 19, 3.5, 3 is disappointing?? lmao
no i said those numbers arent dominating...he was dissapointing in march and im pretty sure wake lost in the first round...im a teague fan im just saying he didnt dominate college...relax dude lmao
oh and only 3 assists per game from a point guard is kinda dissapointing...
@buckshot...you seem like an angry kid, u need to get laid or something bruh
Haha, I'm so angry I'd Ndamukong Suh your @ss I guess....what's more "disappointing" is your spelling of that word. is kinda dissapointing...
You should probably learn how to spell words before trying to use them...It's just funny you said the kid was disappointing when he put up good numbers. Before his sophomore year I'm sure you didn't even know who he was, so to call 19/3.5/3 disappointing from a guy you didn't know is a little confusing. But it's cool, guys have to put up 22/6/5 in college I guess to not be disappointing.
My next step from Suh's anger is Metta World Peace's anger he displayed in the Palace....lmao. So if your want Metta hopping over scorer's tables at you then keep em coming...