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Barea is quick tho...Hulls

Barea is quick tho...Hulls got alot of limitations even tho he is a knockdown shooter

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From the game

Has there ever been a C who runs the floor better than Zeller? Any 4 that wasn't a stretch 4? That dude can RUN!
If Hulls had +5 on his quicknesss rating he'd be NBA material. End to end he's ok, but laterally he's too slow.
Watford fell to the second round (if he's lucky).
Oladipo may make an NBA team with his D and (improved) handle and rebounding from the 2 spot.
Sheehey sneaking into the first round?

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@akhan786 i don't think roy

@akhan786 i don't think roy is even a mediocre coach. First and foremost coach k would have given pj free reign by now because he is obviously the best player on the team despite what numbers say. Reggie bullock is not very good and neither is macadoo. Coach k would have lost at IU with this team but it would have been 88-82ish and competitive. He would have stomped butler because brice would have started or joel and they would have actually had a game plan. Roy has to be the most overrated coach.

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I just said that...lol. I

I just said that...lol. I have been saying it for years but everyone thinks I am crazy. I wish Roy would leave. If you have any talent whatsoever its not hard to put together a game plan to beat UNC. This guy absolutely cannot coach. Only run and gun and beat teams who have less talent. I am UNC for life, but there is NO comparison between Coach K and Roy. Different planets.

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And replace

And replace Roy with who? Exactly you have no better choices. We get it you strongly dislike Roy but that should not keep you from making an objective point which it's obvious you are unable to do.

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replace him with someone who

replace him with someone who knows how to coach when they dont have off the wall talent. UNC is going to be in bad shape with the new schools joining the ACC. its not going to be pretty unless we get some top 10 players every year. and that is unlikely with how Barnes stock dropped each year and now with current players stock dropping. you are telling me that right now Duke has more talent than UNC???

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Hull has pretty good

Hull has pretty good quickness, he's not cat like but the most most impressive thing about him that he's constantly under control......Shout if John Lucas III could make it i dont see why this cat can't make it in the league..that is if he gets a far shot..and he's better from what i saw from JL at the same stage....

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IMO

I dont think Roy Williams is a bad coach at all. I think he's brilliant, just because this team isnt performing well doesnt mean that he is an overrated coach. Honestly, I just think that these two teams are worlds apart. Indiana is a superior team this year from top to bottom skill wise, size, strength, skills, leadership and intangibles.
On the other hand, this North Carolina squad, isnt the UNC that we are all used to. No one on this team has an elite skill set that everybody knows will be effective on the next level. Maybe PJ Hairston's shooting, but thats it. James McAdoo is their best player and he has no skill set. He hits jumpers sometimes but lets be fair, he's not that good of a shooter. It's just that he has the green light and has been put up on a pedestal from what he did in high school and because of what he MAY develop into. But he is not a lottery pick right now. He's 6'9-6'10 with a great physique and a motor. Lacking post moves and a jumper, He usually scores from putting his head down and bullying his way to the goal and jumping higher than his opponents. In my opinion if he's your best player, then you are not the typical North Carolina Tar Heel team. Their a decent team, but dont have the star power to be near the top of college basketball this year.

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name one thing that Roy does

name one thing that Roy does thats brilliant. people are saying this team is not that great. this team has a lot of talent. they have a good PG in Paige, but if he were playing for Dean, he would have the clamps on him, he is shooting entirely too much....and not good shots. this team has real talent.

PJ Hairston is a scoring machine. Reggie Bullock was described as a bigger better version of Wayne Ellington.....Roy doesnt even have any plays for this dude. The ball should be going to the inside much more to McAdoo. They have size and athleticism with James, Johnson, and Hubert. Tokoto can be a really good player, but not under Roy he wont.

How does Strickland shoot more perimeter shots than Bullock???

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Your problem

Your problem is you are incapable of giving another team credit for taking a team out of the game and playing well. Also PJ Hairston is hurt and not playing in this game so what does he have to do with this game? Nothing! Strickland shoots more perimeter shots because he is able to get separation with the dribble which is something Bullock has not shown the ability to do in college. Bullock is a good passer , defender , and spot up shooter but off the dribble game is non existent. Also Bullock a bigger Ellington? Bigger yes but as I stated before Bullock has no game off the dribble and Ellington at least had that 2-3 dribble mid range pull up and could get separation. You look at many of these players like you are reading their HS scouting reports. It's not HS anymore it's college so the holes in guys games that were covered up in HS are exposed in college.

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whatever man, you dont know

whatever man, you dont know what the hell you are talking about. Strickland is the worst shooter on the team and should not be taking more shots than Bullock. Bullock is a shooter but he barely gets 6 shots a game sometimes...how is that? Roy has no discipline. He plays 2 pg's at the same time, that doesnt give either one of them the opportunity to analyze the floor from the bench. Ellington did not have any dribble game until he was a junior....Bullock has been forced to play behind Barnes instead of beside him.

You simply dont know UNC basketball. This is not some HS scouting report. Why is Strickland shooting so many perimeter shots? Why is Paige for that matter that arent in the flow of the offense? Why has he always refused to play two good shooting wings at once? Always did this. This is why Barnes struggled so bad because he didnt have a guy like Bullock on the other side a lot of times so teams keyed in on him. Where are the plays for Bullock? Where are the plays for anyone for that matter? McAdoo, Bullock, Hairston, McDonald should be getting the bulk of the shots. Johnson, James, and Hubert arent pootbutts either. He should be preparing Tokoto for ballhandling duties because if Paige or Strickland get hurt...they will be in bad shape. Worse than last year.

They dont have a half court game. Didnt have one last year either. The difference is....there is no Zeller/Henson to gobble up all the rebounds for extra possessions. If you look at UNC, it looks like they are playing streetball. Cant bust a zone.....and admittedly Roy doesnt know when they are being zoned against. True story.

I guess I am supposed to give FSU all the credit in the world for that 33 point drubbing as well? Great coaches dont get blown off the atlas. Dont sit here and talk to me about my team and act as if I dont have any objectivity.

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I am a UNC fan

I am a UNC fan and I am looking at things rationally and not emotionally. Yes these guys have talent but none of these guys have been relied upon to be in primary roles which is what they are in now. Maybe if you calm down and look at the team through non bias eyes you would see these things. You lose all credibility with your opinion because you go off the deep end off of a single game instead a whole body of work. Last time I checked you have not coached in any finals fours , won any NCAA titles , nor put any players in the NBA. I agree Roy has the ability to be too stubborn but you are freaking out like an over emotional female about this.

This UNC team is top 15-25 team at best! Also you only bring up instances when Roys teams have had problems or have not worked out perfectly. Why don't you bring up the 2005-2006 team which Roy got by with largely on a backcourt rotation with Wes Miller and Bobby Frasor as a freshmen and they tied for the ACC lead and beat a top 5 Dook team on Sr night in Cameron. You can't criticize Roy for a team that has no past precedent of being good like with this group of players. If this group is healthy in February they will be a good team just not a great team. Personally since you are such a flake UNC fan who thinks Roy sucks and is ovverated why don't you do yourself a favor a denounce UNC and go pull for Dook and engage fully on your polish man crush that is Coach K.

You can disagree with Roy's philosphies which you obviously do but to act like you know better how to run a big time NCAA mens basketball program is laughable.

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...

You said it better than I could!

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who would u guys rank as the

who would u guys rank as the top 5 coaches in college?

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Who do you think should replace him? I've heard rumblings of Sean Miller. I'm not familiar on how good of a coach he is but I know he is a great recruiter as well.

I also know that Miller probably doesn't put his foot in his mouth as much as Ol'Roy does either.

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Izzo, Brad Stevens, Crean,

Izzo, Brad Stevens, Crean, Coach K and Bob Huggins IMO are the 5 best pure coaches in the country

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As far as teaching ability,

As far as teaching ability, x's and o's and in game coaching you can look at the current top 5. It's littered with the best coached teams in the nation.
Pitino, Matta, Beilein, Coach K, and Crean are all some of the best pure coaches in basketball. I would also add Bill Self and Mark Few as hon mentions who are in the mix. Izzo gets love as a guy who gets his teams to consistently overachieve, but I was never impressed with his ability to coach offense.

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my five would be (in no

my five would be (in no order)
-izzo
-brad stevens
-coach k
-bill self
-crean (comes from the izzo bloodline)

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Bill Self is a great

Bill Self is a great coach...I forgot him cause I hate Ku lol

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