true memphis fans know that we don't need thabeet. this is disgusting to read from alotta people who think they know what they're talking about. the grizzlies have 3 centers.-gasol, darko, haddadi.... no real powerfowards. our backup pointguard is jaric...COME ON.
some people don't think we need rubio. as in we don't need another point guard. when your backup pointguard is jaric and you have a really young point guard as your starter...then you can talk.
the grizzlies need something to re-energize the fans. something to give them a show. something to bring them back. With a lack of a real backup at everything but center and smallfoward, ...i still think it'd be fine if memphis kept rubio.
I've been a grizzly fan since vancouver. they get good, then they give it all up. i see what they're building here with conely, mayo and gay. gasol is their center. and their center for the future. it'd be a mistake to make him share that much time with thabeet. and drafting thabeet will delay their process in becoming better. AND...for all the people who already think thabeet is better than gasol....please...think before you talk. how is it a man who's never stepped foot on an nba court is better than a man who's played euro basketball and won a championship...against usa...? not to mention gasol's rookie averages were impressive.
I think alot of people just want memphis to draft thabeet and let rubio SOMEHOW fall to 4....let's be logical ok?
i can't stress this enough, if you actually somewhere in your mind think memphis need thabeet, maybe you should watch a few more grizzly games.
He's the only one of those 3 that is any good. And lets face it, hes not a great defender cuz hes slow-footed and not that athletic. Thabeet could be a game changer at the C position with his shot-blocking. And as for the PG, Mayo can play some PG and I think he'll play more next season. Not to mention Rubio is a guy who NEEDS the ball in his hands, which might be difficult with Gay and Mayo. If Rubio doesnt have the ball, theyre just wasting his talent. I think theyre best option would be to trade down with Sacto, try to add Thompson or Hawes, and then take Harden or Hill. But if they stay in the #2 spot I tihnk they should go with Thabeet. Conley showed good progress last year after they got rid of Lowry and they can draft a backup PG like Collison at 27.
gasol played D just fine. he may not bring what thabeet brings on the d-side. BUT THABEET is completely raw on offense. please try again.
I never said he was good on offense, but with his defense and Gasol's offense, you have a good 1-2 punch at C whose styles complement each other well (they both do different things well). gasol's D is mediocre at best.
As a Memphis fan, I say we draft Rubio. Keep Rubio, unless he does not want to be in Memphis. If that happens trade him for the best available offer. Then atleast they are getting something out of him.
I just have one concern.... if memphis drafts rubio and rubio doesnt want to play in memphis.... wont teams offer not really good offers because they know rubio has to be out of there because he wont play in memphis?
the grizz have bigger needs than a backup center.
I get that they have bigger needs than Thabeet, but Rubio just doesnt fit in with this team. Gay and Mayo both need the ball in their hands, and so does Rubio. This wouldnt work because some players would inevitably be unhappy. And you already have Conley, who may not be as good as Rubio, but keep in mind hes just 21 years old and looks like he'll be a pretty good PG in the league. So if they dont need Thabeet, and Rubio doesnt fit, their best option would be to just trade down so they could take Jordan Hill to fill the hole at the PF.
You and I are preaching ourselves out on this one D. I'm not going to argue the talent of Thabeet because it's there with room to grow, but from a team stand point we lack a lot of things.
1. A True Starting Point Guard;
I don't think Mike Conley will ever be the guy in Memphis. If you don't end up with Jordan Hill I will be more than happy having Rubio on our roster even if he doesn't decide to come over. Rubio in my mind is a franchise changing player that could really give some consideration to Gay and Mayo making a long haul on this one.
2. A Starting PF;
Don't get me wrong I like Darell Arthur and Hakim Warrick, but both of these guys are 3's being forced to playing the 4. I don't consider either of them long term options and this is something that if not addressed in the Draft. Maybe Signing Marvin Williams, Charlie Villaneuva, Chris Anderson, Rasheed Wallace, Jermaine Oneal, Carlos Boozer, or even Drew Gooden is worth taking a shot on drafting Rubio. I personally think they end up with Hill when everything's said and done, but that's just me.
3. A Back Up Center;
You guys are right we don't have a back up center worth mentioning on our roster, but It's not a role we need Hasheem Thabeet to fill. This team needs to make a serious decision on whether or not to Draft Rubio or trade down to the 4 spot and take hill, or even possible trading down to 8 and drafting Tyreke Evans and acquiring David Lee.
Let's face it. Anyone who has Thabeet 2nd on their mock in all fairness hasn't watched a minute of Memphis Grizzlies Basketball this season despite having two of the NBA's brightest stars in OJ Mayo and Rudy Gay. If I want anything for my Christmas in July It's knowing we passed on this guy. Not because of his potential and talent, but knowing that this team is going somewhere and making the right decisions.
What it all comes down to is do they call Rubio's bluff, or trade down for Jordan Hill. That's the million dollar question in the Memphis Front Office.
i agree with the trade idea. but i still think he'd fit the system ok. he'd have plenty of opportunity to run the offense. and i like conely and don't want to see him go. but i think you miss the point that with jaric at backup pg...and no real back up sg...rubio would get his time and touches..just as much as conely and mayo. gay doesn't run the offense.
The Kings would'nt include either Hawes or Thompson to move up to #2 from #4 this year. Hawes and Thompson are two of the only bright spots and have considerable potential. The difference between 2 and 4 this year is not much since no one is even sure who should go #2.
I think we should take a serious look at guys like Patty Mills, Lester Hudson, AJ Price, and Toney Douglass with our pick at 36. It's a point guard deep draft with serviceable options in the second round. This pending we don't take Rubio at two and trade down to four for Hill.
At 27 I like Same young coming off the bench for this team. I think hes serious sleeper material next year and could provide a nice spark of offense off the bench for us.
We'd Do the #2 for Donte Green, the #4 and either the #23 or #31. That's all it'd take for the second pick.
are you really saying talent wise that after griffin and rubio...anyone compares to em'? i'm optimistic about the draft..but griffin and rubio are the one's who will make the greatest impact.
There's some sleepers in this draft. I think it's going to surprise a lot of people when its all said and done.
The Kings starting PG is Beno Udrih. I'm pretty sure that they would move one of those to trade up to get Rubio. He would instantly become the face of that franchise and they could build around him/Martin/whichever of Hawes/Thompson they don't trade. I think they'd be better off giving up Thompson because I think Hawes has more potential. If they do that trade and give up Thompson, the Grizzlies could then draft Harden at 4 and have a lineup of
With Harden becoming a great 6th man off the bench.
i wouldn't mind seeing rubio and darko go for david lee and the 8th pick. anybody? D'antoni wants a stud point guard. why not?
I think thatd be a good trade htat works for both teams. Especially if they could grab Steph Curry at #8.
bonish i agree with ya man. getting lee and steph curry would be pimpin.
I'd much rather take my chances on Derozan than Steph Curry. If we can get Thompson and the 4 out of that deal I think it's highway robbery. Then again so is David Lee and the 8 for Ricky Rubio.
Love Donte Green in that deal, I think he has loads of talent waiting to be unleashed.
I dont know if hed fit since the Grizzlies' 2 best players are wings (Mayo & Gay) and thats the same position DeRozan plays. If they took Curry he would be great in Memphis because he can really play off the ball and just sit and wait for open jumpers. Currys a much better fit and safer pick for Memphis than DeRozan imo.
I really like Donte Greene too. I don't know why Sacramento didnt play him more, knowing their season was going no where. I see some Rasahrd Lewis in him.
there's just too much at stake here for memphis. they need to improve by 10-15 wins this year. all i'm saying is, if you take thabeet, you're risking another 20 to 30 win this year. i think taking rubio and either keeping or trading will bring some wins. if they could pull off something with new york to land lee and curry...i see memphis hitting 35-45 wins. it may not be enough to make the playoffs with the growing talent in the west, but it will for sure give us all some hope and something enjoyable to see.
He came out way to early though yupyup. If he doesn't have to start he can develop Nicely.
Let's say we get the #4,#31 and Greene for the #2
Sign Anderson as a backup center to Gasol. Draft Hill at the 4. Draft Mills at the 27 and Draft Christmas at the 31.
Not a bad team next year if you ask me
Add them to the Grizzlies and I think they could easily win 40 games. Lineup of
Thats a young and exciting team to watch.
Just really unfortunate they play in the West.
Rubio won't be anymore ready this year then Thabeet, so he won't increase Memphis' wins by much at all. In 2 years, different story.
Can definitely come in this year and contribute. he has been play professionally since he was 14 years old!!! You dont get that kind of experience playing in college.
stealing lee and curry would do that. i'm sure memphis has talked to everybody in the lottery about some trade ideas. i just hope this one gets pulled off now. i was happy with the sac trade idea...but looking at this one with new york is just much more satisfying.
Sorry Memphis fans but the owner of the team wants Thabeet. Thabeet wouldn't replace Gasol. Thabeet would probably play 15 to 20 minutes a game coming off the bench providing some excellent defense and rebounding.
I think you could get more for the 2nd pick than David Lee & the 8th pick.
I agree if you could get Green, 4th, 23rd for the 2nd pick that would be the deal to take hands down.
The only thing if Memphis trades down there is still a real good chance that they take Thabeet with the 4th pick..sorry. I think Oklahoma City is going to take Harden.
memphis has the mindset to draft him and not care. look at portlands situation this year with miles. plus, memphis has leverage over a year struggling teams. sac could be on the move without a franchise changing player.
i'm tired of seeing them in the lottery. i want a winning team. if you're with me on drafting rubio and either keeping or trading him for some talent that would change the franchise, holla at me. if wallace selects thabeet, it'll be a sad day in memphis.
That is the lineup Memphis needs to go after....
I'm not a Grizz fan, but I agree with you. I was reading at espn today and I believe it was Chad Ford's mock that has Thabeet going second to the Grizz, and a Grizz fan complained that they already had a center in Gasol. So Ford's response was that Thabeet could be the back up and probably won't be ready to play more then 20 minutes his first couple years anyways. I just don't think that you draft a guy with the second pick that you don't even think will play much until 3 years down the line.
That is a playoff team, maybe not this year but the year after if they can add some quality depth.
not bad man. i think you told me gay and vill played together right? that lineup would be pretty good man
Yeah they played together for one year at UConn. That lineup would be fun to watch too. From an entertainment point of view Thabeet wouldn't add much value to this team, I can see why alot of Memphis fans don't want him. I just hope to see a lot of trades on draft night.
Perez. It's the reason why Ford is an ass backwards sports writer/analyst. Any of us could be in the spot he's at. But I'm sure a good 90% of us aren't going to blow our way to the top.
Didn't Memphis make the playoffs like 4 years ago? How can you be sick of the lottery it's not like your Golden State or the Clippers who have made the playoffs once in like the past 15 years.
they went to the playoffs 3 years straight. ended up being swept each time. 0-12. before that they were in vancouver and moved to memphis and had terrible..terrible records.... you have a point about lac. but i think goldenstate just made a mistake in lettin baron go and getting maggette.
Memphis is building one of the best young cores in the Western Conference. Drafting Thabeet will only bring us 2-3 more years of lottery picks. Jordan Hill isn't the sexy pick, but he is the right one in my mind.
i think the same way. thabeet delays the process. plus it doesn't help the transition game one bit...
Jordan Hill is not as good as Thabeet. He is not better than Darrell Arthur.
Hill is different then thabeet. They are totally different players, and I don't know who is better.But as a memphis fan, would you rather have a talented pf who can run the floor, or a defensive minded C who would have to share time with Gasol? And Hill is gonna be way better then Arthur.