Trey Lyles Rankings - NBADraft.net

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Posted on: Thu, 05/14/2015 - 10:14am #59860

Dgtool2
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Where do you think Trey Lyles ends up being taken? This site has him at #9 (believe they have had him as high as #7) Another site has him ranked at #17. I think he’ll fall somewhere in the late lottery.
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Posted on: Thu, 05/14/2015 - 11:28am #980094

arambone2
He’s in a tricky spot, being in such a deep PF class. Depending on team preference, he could go anywhere from 10-12 all the way down to the 20s.
His draft stock benefited from being polished offensively and maximum exposure from being on Kentucky, but the draft nears teams often start falling in love with potential. As a physically mature, already polished, average athlete, teams might strart picking him apart a bit and fall in love with guys like Wood and Looney.
And I’d take Portis over Lyles. Safer pick, more experienced, more successful.
And not every team needs a PF so some of these guys are going to go lower than expected.

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Posted on: Thu, 05/14/2015 - 11:28am #979934

arambone2
He’s in a tricky spot, being in such a deep PF class. Depending on team preference, he could go anywhere from 10-12 all the way down to the 20s.
His draft stock benefited from being polished offensively and maximum exposure from being on Kentucky, but the draft nears teams often start falling in love with potential. As a physically mature, already polished, average athlete, teams might strart picking him apart a bit and fall in love with guys like Wood and Looney.
And I’d take Portis over Lyles. Safer pick, more experienced, more successful.
And not every team needs a PF so some of these guys are going to go lower than expected.

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Posted on: Thu, 05/14/2015 - 12:52pm #980116

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Trey Lyles has been put in an unusual situation predraft and is a very interesting prospect.

He played out of position for most of the year at the 3 and played well against top NCAA competition. He measured in at 6’9 w/o shoes, 240 and a 7’1 wingspan which is enough size for a small ball center. If he does well in the combine he can theoretically pitch teams that he is versatile enough to play 3 positions which may or may not be true but he definitely has a case.
As a PF he is the prototypical NBA fit all around and shows potential in every facet of the game from the position.
I would say the highest he goes is 8th to Detroit as a replacement to Monroe and the ying to Drummond’s yang for the future. Charlotte needs shooting in a bad way around Kemba, MKG, and Jefferson but I doubt they go for yet another frontcourt player after picking Biyambo, MKG, Zeller, and Vonleh (non of which are good shooters though). Indiana will be looking to find a longterm replacement for West and Lyles is an Indiana product (but is the state still bitter).
Sacramento could make him fit but they need defence in the frontcourt bad. You can’t expect Cousins to do everything.
Detroit, Charlotte, Indiana, Phoenix, Atlanta, and Milwaukee seem like very good fits. Anywhere from 8-17 I would think.

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Posted on: Thu, 05/14/2015 - 12:52pm #979956

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Trey Lyles has been put in an unusual situation predraft and is a very interesting prospect.

He played out of position for most of the year at the 3 and played well against top NCAA competition. He measured in at 6’9 w/o shoes, 240 and a 7’1 wingspan which is enough size for a small ball center. If he does well in the combine he can theoretically pitch teams that he is versatile enough to play 3 positions which may or may not be true but he definitely has a case.
As a PF he is the prototypical NBA fit all around and shows potential in every facet of the game from the position.
I would say the highest he goes is 8th to Detroit as a replacement to Monroe and the ying to Drummond’s yang for the future. Charlotte needs shooting in a bad way around Kemba, MKG, and Jefferson but I doubt they go for yet another frontcourt player after picking Biyambo, MKG, Zeller, and Vonleh (non of which are good shooters though). Indiana will be looking to find a longterm replacement for West and Lyles is an Indiana product (but is the state still bitter).
Sacramento could make him fit but they need defence in the frontcourt bad. You can’t expect Cousins to do everything.
Detroit, Charlotte, Indiana, Phoenix, Atlanta, and Milwaukee seem like very good fits. Anywhere from 8-17 I would think.

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Posted on: Thu, 05/14/2015 - 3:02pm #979980

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He’s from indiana, he’ll end up there, back up of west, then successor.
He’s strictly a PF, hibbert is strictly a C, could be a defensive liability, but hidden between george and hibbert, he’ll be fine.
They need skills and IQ, he has both, i see him better suited in the east anyway from detroit to atlanta, 8-15.

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Posted on: Thu, 05/14/2015 - 3:02pm #980140

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He’s from indiana, he’ll end up there, back up of west, then successor.
He’s strictly a PF, hibbert is strictly a C, could be a defensive liability, but hidden between george and hibbert, he’ll be fine.
They need skills and IQ, he has both, i see him better suited in the east anyway from detroit to atlanta, 8-15.

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Posted on: Thu, 05/14/2015 - 3:03pm #979982

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People will disagree but I think he’s overrated. Very polished offensive player but his rebounding and defense leaves a lot to be desired. I get it reboundng hurt because he played the 3 in college but his motor, explosiveness is just average and he doesn’t seem to have a knack for grabbing boards. Defensively he seems like a lock to be bad as he is too slow to guard on perimeter not great fight/strenghth down low. Poor instincts as well. Plus is he has good size but he seems like a liability on defense.

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- Posted on: Thu, 05/14/2015 - 4:10pm #979988
  
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  Lyles is an excellent rebounder its just hard to show that when your constantly on the court out of position with two of these three WCS, KAT, Dakari Johnson.
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- Posted on: Thu, 05/14/2015 - 4:10pm #980148
  
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  Lyles is an excellent rebounder its just hard to show that when your constantly on the court out of position with two of these three WCS, KAT, Dakari Johnson.
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Posted on: Thu, 05/14/2015 - 3:03pm #980142

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People will disagree but I think he’s overrated. Very polished offensive player but his rebounding and defense leaves a lot to be desired. I get it reboundng hurt because he played the 3 in college but his motor, explosiveness is just average and he doesn’t seem to have a knack for grabbing boards. Defensively he seems like a lock to be bad as he is too slow to guard on perimeter not great fight/strenghth down low. Poor instincts as well. Plus is he has good size but he seems like a liability on defense.

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Posted on: Thu, 05/14/2015 - 3:36pm #979986

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He’s actually underrated, because he played in a stacked team as a 3 when he’s only a 4.
Nothing was good for him, defensively, he was slow footed for a 3, in the rebounding dept(because of the 2 nba C) he was still good enough for 8 + rebs per 36 mins, offensively the floor spacing was non existent.
Then the playing time…FGA, FTA.
I’m pretty sure as a true freshmen PF, with 30+ mins in a similar environment, he would have had jabari parker, derrick williams’s type of stats, 18-19 pts 8-9 boards.
Both were selected 2nd, nobody would envision him as a 20th pick caliber in this draft…

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Posted on: Thu, 05/14/2015 - 3:36pm #980146

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He’s actually underrated, because he played in a stacked team as a 3 when he’s only a 4.
Nothing was good for him, defensively, he was slow footed for a 3, in the rebounding dept(because of the 2 nba C) he was still good enough for 8 + rebs per 36 mins, offensively the floor spacing was non existent.
Then the playing time…FGA, FTA.
I’m pretty sure as a true freshmen PF, with 30+ mins in a similar environment, he would have had jabari parker, derrick williams’s type of stats, 18-19 pts 8-9 boards.
Both were selected 2nd, nobody would envision him as a 20th pick caliber in this draft…

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Posted on: Thu, 05/14/2015 - 4:21pm #979990

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I too believe he’s a bit overrated at the moment, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a lot of potential. He might not be as athletic as Woods, but he moves well in the perimeter. His post game is unrefined, he needs to work really hard on that, but his midrange game (even off the bounce) is OK. Rebounding and defense is definitely a concern, but at least he’s got one good skill that can translate.
He’s probably not going to be a Lamarcus Aldridge, but he could be a poor man’s Carlos Boozer (if he ever rebounds).
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Posted on: Thu, 05/14/2015 - 4:21pm #980150

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I too believe he’s a bit overrated at the moment, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a lot of potential. He might not be as athletic as Woods, but he moves well in the perimeter. His post game is unrefined, he needs to work really hard on that, but his midrange game (even off the bounce) is OK. Rebounding and defense is definitely a concern, but at least he’s got one good skill that can translate.
He’s probably not going to be a Lamarcus Aldridge, but he could be a poor man’s Carlos Boozer (if he ever rebounds).
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Posted on: Thu, 05/14/2015 - 4:48pm #979996

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Or a rich man, smarter, way younger markieff morris with better rebounding.
He could be monroe’s replacement, back up for bosh, west or millsap, all in their 30’s.
He could be a starter alongside valanciunas for the raptors…
He’s a good fit for almost every east coast team, except the celts, cats and bucks from 8 to 20, add wizards to the list behind an aging néné.

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Posted on: Thu, 05/14/2015 - 4:48pm #980156

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Or a rich man, smarter, way younger markieff morris with better rebounding.
He could be monroe’s replacement, back up for bosh, west or millsap, all in their 30’s.
He could be a starter alongside valanciunas for the raptors…
He’s a good fit for almost every east coast team, except the celts, cats and bucks from 8 to 20, add wizards to the list behind an aging néné.

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Posted on: Fri, 05/15/2015 - 1:11am #980238

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I’m maybe too much of a modern day NBA fan,but his 15% or so college three point shooting worries me. Other than that,very smart and unselfish player.,skilled. Intriguing is the word
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Posted on: Fri, 05/15/2015 - 1:11am #980077

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I’m maybe too much of a modern day NBA fan,but his 15% or so college three point shooting worries me. Other than that,very smart and unselfish player.,skilled. Intriguing is the word
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- Posted on: Fri, 05/15/2015 - 3:54am #980246
  
  Dazzling Dunks and Basketball Bloopers
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  He’s not going to be shooting 3s in the nba, at least not right away. He was only shooting them in college because he was played out of position. He actually has a decent stroke from about 17 feet in.
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- Posted on: Fri, 05/15/2015 - 3:54am #980085
  
  Dazzling Dunks and Basketball Bloopers
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  He’s not going to be shooting 3s in the nba, at least not right away. He was only shooting them in college because he was played out of position. He actually has a decent stroke from about 17 feet in.
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Posted on: Fri, 05/15/2015 - 4:15am #980254

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if he had a higher motor or better length…he could go in lottery but he does’nt…
there are 16 pf with more length,a few that are just as skilled offensively.
if he goes before 15 its because a lot of bpa pf were already taken ahead of him.
of course he could go 4th if the cavs were in the lottery.

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Posted on: Fri, 05/15/2015 - 4:15am #980093

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if he had a higher motor or better length…he could go in lottery but he does’nt…
there are 16 pf with more length,a few that are just as skilled offensively.
if he goes before 15 its because a lot of bpa pf were already taken ahead of him.
of course he could go 4th if the cavs were in the lottery.

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- Posted on: Fri, 05/15/2015 - 1:41pm #980349
  
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  his fottwork and offensive skills are the only thing keeping him in the conversation for the top 20
  check out the anthropometric stats from the combine on nba official site
  his wingspan for example is not 7’4" like previously reported and listed in his profile on here…
  he chose not to participate in the combine agility or shooting testing like most over hyped prospects coming from the one and done capitol.
  I would wager a guess that bobby portis with almost identicle height wingspan standing reach etc will have a better career.
  ok im done,i wish this kid the best, but he is not a top level athlete even though he is solid on paper after that you pick your poison; skilled with less upside, or great athlete that needs development. I would pick Chris mccullough over lyles.
  
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- Posted on: Fri, 05/15/2015 - 1:41pm #980189
  
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  his fottwork and offensive skills are the only thing keeping him in the conversation for the top 20
  check out the anthropometric stats from the combine on nba official site
  his wingspan for example is not 7’4" like previously reported and listed in his profile on here…
  he chose not to participate in the combine agility or shooting testing like most over hyped prospects coming from the one and done capitol.
  I would wager a guess that bobby portis with almost identicle height wingspan standing reach etc will have a better career.
  ok im done,i wish this kid the best, but he is not a top level athlete even though he is solid on paper after that you pick your poison; skilled with less upside, or great athlete that needs development. I would pick Chris mccullough over lyles.
  
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  - Posted on: Fri, 05/15/2015 - 2:52pm #980371
    
    arambone2
    I’m not sure about McCullough, but I’d take Portis, Wood, and Looney over him for sure. And since not every team needs a PF, that could put Lyles down into the mid-20s.
    
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  - Posted on: Fri, 05/15/2015 - 2:52pm #980211
    
    arambone2
    I’m not sure about McCullough, but I’d take Portis, Wood, and Looney over him for sure. And since not every team needs a PF, that could put Lyles down into the mid-20s.
    
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Posted on: Fri, 05/15/2015 - 7:24am #980285

King Calucha
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Why do you guys keep saying he’s a good rebounder? He gets 9.2 rebounds per 40 minutes. In the same range as other wings like Hollis-Jefferson, Kelly Oubre, Stanley Johnson… or combo forwards like Aaron White, Larry Nance. He’s not outstanding in that category… and he didn’t play exclusively the 3 in college.
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Posted on: Fri, 05/15/2015 - 7:24am #980125

King Calucha
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Why do you guys keep saying he’s a good rebounder? He gets 9.2 rebounds per 40 minutes. In the same range as other wings like Hollis-Jefferson, Kelly Oubre, Stanley Johnson… or combo forwards like Aaron White, Larry Nance. He’s not outstanding in that category… and he didn’t play exclusively the 3 in college.
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- Posted on: Sat, 05/16/2015 - 12:53am #980300
  
  sitlbito
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  He played mostly the 3 in college,next to two NBA caliber center/power forwards. So that may be an explanation.
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  - Posted on: Sat, 05/16/2015 - 7:56am #980530
    
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    how much is "mostly"? I’d say it was 60-70%. So that means he played a portion of the time as a PF. If he was an outstanding rebounder, he would have gotten more rebounds than the SFs.
    Of course, he’s athletic so he could become a good rebounder with a solid boxout technique, which he doesn’t have at the moment, but in the NBA he’s going to play from the high post area (maybe farther if he extends his range), so he’s not going to get you a lot of offensive rebounds in the pros.
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  - Posted on: Sat, 05/16/2015 - 7:56am #980370
    
    King Calucha
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    how much is "mostly"? I’d say it was 60-70%. So that means he played a portion of the time as a PF. If he was an outstanding rebounder, he would have gotten more rebounds than the SFs.
    Of course, he’s athletic so he could become a good rebounder with a solid boxout technique, which he doesn’t have at the moment, but in the NBA he’s going to play from the high post area (maybe farther if he extends his range), so he’s not going to get you a lot of offensive rebounds in the pros.
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- Posted on: Sat, 05/16/2015 - 12:53am #980460
  
  sitlbito
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  He played mostly the 3 in college,next to two NBA caliber center/power forwards. So that may be an explanation.
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Posted on: Fri, 05/15/2015 - 8:07am #980301

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I don’t see him falling past the Pacers as Mamadou points out he’s from that state and would be a nice fit there. A year or so learning from West and Scola would be a good grounding for him.
The likes of Detroit, Miami etc in his draft range would also be decent fits.
So I’d say his downside is top 12, upside possibly top 6 or 7 depending how the lottery balls fall.

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Posted on: Fri, 05/15/2015 - 8:07am #980141

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I don’t see him falling past the Pacers as Mamadou points out he’s from that state and would be a nice fit there. A year or so learning from West and Scola would be a good grounding for him.
The likes of Detroit, Miami etc in his draft range would also be decent fits.
So I’d say his downside is top 12, upside possibly top 6 or 7 depending how the lottery balls fall.

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- Posted on: Sat, 05/16/2015 - 12:54am #980302
  
  sitlbito
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  Indiana loves WCS I’ve heard,which makes sense,if they want to get rid of Hibbert and play up-tempo. So if WCS is still available,Lyles being from Indiana won’t change anything.
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- Posted on: Sat, 05/16/2015 - 12:54am #980462
  
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  Indiana loves WCS I’ve heard,which makes sense,if they want to get rid of Hibbert and play up-tempo. So if WCS is still available,Lyles being from Indiana won’t change anything.
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Posted on: Fri, 05/15/2015 - 8:13am #980303

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Sorry for double post.

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Posted on: Fri, 05/15/2015 - 8:13am #980143

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Sorry for double post.

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