The main thing that sparked this trade idea was the possibility Cleveland will either have Dion/Mclemore or Thomspon/Noel. There's no need to make logjams when there are positional needs to be filled in my opinion.
In my last two trade ideas, I had one met with good feedback and the other with not so good feedback, so let's hope I bounce back here.
Cleveland Receives: Kendrick Perkins, Hasheem Thabeet, Perry Jones, Pick #5
Phoenix Receives: Tristan Thompson, Daniel Orton, Jeremy Lamb, Pick #12, Pick #31, Pick #32
OKC Receievs: Anderson Varejao, Marcin Gortat, Pick #57
Why Cleveland does this trade:
PJ3 still has potential and will get more minutes to prove himself in Cleveland rather than OKC. Thabeet was a top pick before and is still relatively young, but I'm not expecting much out of him. Perkins is primarily in this deal as a salary dump from OKC, though he can contribute, and could be a good mentor for Noel. But the key in this deal is adding the #5 pick. Assuming they take Nerlens Noel first overall, they could add another center - either Len or Zeller - to pair with Kyrie, Dion, and Noel for the long run. Or they could grab Bennett, but I like Len at #5 personally in this scenario. Cleveland would have the #1, #5, #19, and #33 picks in this scenario. They could maybe even package the #19 and #33 to move up a little bit if they wanted. Maybe trade up with Dallas, Utah, or Milwaukee if they see someone they like?
Why Phoenix does this trade:
The loss of Gortat and the 5th pick seem counterproductive in a rebuilding process. But there's not a whole lot of dropoff from the 5th to the 12th spot, and dropping 7 spots is worth it to add a 22 year old who averaged 11.7 ppg and 9.4 rpg. With the 12th pick, they could target Saric, Olynyk, Adams, Gobert, or maybe even Bazz if he falls which I doubt. Having one of these players I just mentioned in tandem with Thompson and Lamb sounds like a better way to rebuild than with just the #5 pick. Plus they would have picks 30, 31, and 32 after this trade and would either be able to use these three picks to move up in the first or add young depth.
Why OKC does this trade:
It's no secret OKC's biggest need is center. Not only do they add Varejao, which others believe is a possible scenario, but they even add depth behind that with Gortat. Yes, both are older and injuries are always a possibility (especially with Varejao) but injuries happen to everyone and can't really be prevented (see Russell Westbrook.) They do lose the 12th pick, but to add not one, but two quality centers, I think it is worth the price. OKC would still have the 28th and received the 57th in this trade, but I think packaging these for two picks in the middle of the second round would be ideal to add depth for OKC. Atlanta, Portland, and Philly would all be potential suitors to move their multiple second rounders to move up to 28.
Lineups after trade (with my projected draft picks included):
PG: Irving, #33 Wolters,
SG: Waiters, Miles
SF: Gee, Mitchell (I think Giannis is off the board by #19)
PF: #1 Noel, Jones
C: Perkins, #5 Len, T.Zeller, Thabeet
PG: Dragic, Marshall
SG: Lamb, Dudley, Brown, Tucker
SF: Beasley, #30 Deshaun Thomas
PF: Thompson, Frye, Morris Twins
C: Scola, Haddadi, Orton, #12 Adams (Gobert or Olynyk if Adams is off the board)
Picks #31 and #32 would be over the roster limit, but some players could be cut to make room for these picks although I think packaging some of or all of 30-32 to move up would make the most sense.
PG: Westbrook, Jackson
SG: Sefolosha, Martin (assuming he's back), Liggins
SF: Durant, Brewer (assuming he's back)
PF: Ibaka, Collison
C: Varejao, Gortat
Didn't project in the picks for OKC since I think they'd be better off trading down. It's hard to project the lineups since you never know who will make the teams, who they will sign in free agency, and who they will draft but I gave it a try.
If you read all this rambling give yourself a pat on the back haha. Tell me what you think.
The Thunder only need one of Varejao or Gortat, not both. Especially if they have to give up Lamb, PJ 3 and their lotto pick.
There's a lot of ways you can spin this deal, especially since there are 10 picks this year alone between these 3 teams. I think having both Varejao and Gortat is better than having Lamb and PJ3 at the end of the bench when OKC should be in win now mode. Plus, I don't see losing PJ3 as big a loss since they have KD, but Lamb could turn into something special, but SG isn't their biggest need right now. Plus there are plenty of SGs they can go after at 28 if they want to.
OKC makes off like bandits, but that is what having assets do for you. Suns give up their 5th pick and the best player in Gortat, but get Lamb(who I think will be a very good player down the road) and Thompson who really give them some building blocks for the future. Cleveland wants to make the playoffs this year and I don't think having two rookies getting a lot of minutes at PF and C helps you get there this year. This trade lets them be bad enough next year to get one of the many great SF's in the 2014 draft and would probably really help them in the long run, but they seem to be in the win now mode.
Cleveland's front office is obviously going to be telling the public that they are "In it to win it." But let's be realistic, can a team of Kyrie, Dion, Noel, Thompson, and Varejao beat out the Thunder in a best of seven? How about the Spurs, Grizzlies, or Clippers? Not to mention they have to go on a crazy win streak against some of the eastern powerhouses like the Heat, Knicks, Pacers, Bulls, and Nets. If they're lucky next year they make the playoffs and are bounced in the first round with that lineup. I'd much rather build for the future with Noel/Len down low. Eventually it would payoff when they would have Kyrie/Dion/Noel/Len and add in a SF from next years draft class, or dare I say a Return of the King? LeBron could play with this core of players until he is 40 if he wanted to.
I like the trade for everyone but the Cavs. Only getting PJ3 and # 5 pick for the #1 pick and Anderson Varejao seems a bit cheap. The other issue I see is the Thunder would be well over the cap adding Gortat and Varejao.
Overall the Thunder and the Suns would be happy to make this deal happen.
You didn't read it correctly. They keep the #1 pick and trade Thompson.
Tristan Thompson is not chopped liver, he is a key player to the future of the cavs and I don't think this deal is enough for him.
My trade yesterday was between Cavs and Thunder. Number 1 pick and Varejao to the Thunder for Jeremy Lamb, Perry Jones, Hasheem Thabeet, the 12th pick and the 29th pick.
OKC gets Andy and the top pick (McLemore) and looks loaded.
The Cavs get Jones and Lamb to go with Irving, Waiters, and Tristan. At 12 they can go with Steven Adams or someone with some other picks left.
I don't think the Cavs would be willing to trade that far down in the draft. Varejao is still a great player when healthy and to give up the #1 pick as well just to get unproven talent in Lamb, Jones, and Thabeet doesn't make sense. Cavs would need more than that. Maybe if they could do the #1 for the #12, #29, Lamb, and PJ3 it would be possible, but they aren't moving both the #1 and Varejao in that deal.
cuseflynn10 what the hell are you doing? Not only did you come up with a fairly even and sensible trade but you explained why all of it would work. This is nbadraft.net, I think you're supposed to come up with &$#%#&@! lopsided trades.
I've come up with some good trades and some bad trades in my time on this site. This was my last one that didn't get quite the same review:
If Indiana got Thad Young and Evan Turner went to Utah in the deal above, I think it would have worked out better. I think besides those two players going to the wrong teams, I think most people felt Philly was getting ripped off by giving up two young cornerstones in Young and Turner. But I don't think Young, Turner, and Holiday are enough to build around. They'd have Al Jefferson and Jrue Holiday to build around for this upcoming season if they did this deal, as well as the #14 and #23 picks from Utah and Indiana in addition to Philly's #11 pick and plenty of cap space.
Looking back, it is an unrealistic trade as Philly won't rebuild, as they think they have what it takes to make a playoff push soon, but I personally don't see them going too far right now, so that was the primary reason I suggested the trade in the first place.
the only problem with OKC taking in Gortat & Varejao is the cap space.. they can only take 1 of the 2 not both