No you're absolutely right about Marshall's impact on UNC and anybody who knew about him in high school should of saw that coming because Drew stunk as a PG and Marshall was perfect wit all the scorers around him the rally the team and get them clicking.
But college and the NBA are different animals. Look at the struggles Kemba Walker and Jimmer Freddette are having and those guys can just flat out score but are struggling to even score in the league.
But you think Marshall could come into the NBA tonight and average 10 assists and less then 3 turnovers? Really like you really believe that?
Kendall Marshall would not average 10+ assist in the NBA right now lol that is hilarious my dude!
There's only ONE PG in the NBA that's averaging 10+ assist and that's Steve Nash, if you really believe Marshall could average 10+ assist you are sadly mistaken.
And I don't think Kemba has a hard time scoring he's averaging 15 per game since being a starter, his shooting percentage isn't great, but he's still putting the ball in the basket, and is third among all rookies in scoring.
Kemba certainly isn't having an easy time scoring, all of his buckets are hard earned, he's not making it look easy like Kid Kyrie is doing in Cleveland.
And that dud Jon is out of his wig wit Kendel Marshall. He has to be his girlfriend or cousin to think Marshall could step in for John Wall and average 10 apg and less then 3 t.o.'s a game in the NBA tonight. That's got to be one of the craziest arguments I've ever heard in my life.
I believe that. He's every bit the player that Jose Calderon is and he's getting 10pts, 9 assists, and 2 TOs a game.
11 players in the NBA averaging over 20 points a game. The number doubles to 22 if you count those averaging 18 points or more.
11 players in the NBA averaging 10 rebounds a game. 20 over 9 rebs a game
3 players averaging over 9 assists. And just 6 averaging 8 assists or more.
Lots of people can score and rebound in the NBA already. PGs who can create and pass the ball without turning it over are invaluable.
Anyone want to argue that Marshall couldn't get 8 assists/game getting 30 mins or more?? That is elite.
I don't know what you smoking man, or who's vouching for you, but Kendall Marshall isn't even averaging 10 assist per game in college wit 30+ minutes, the NBA is a whole different level and you think he can do it there?
im on Wroten's bandwaggon for sure..he is in my top10..
how you can say he can't be a pg because of turnovers Wall turned it over 4times a game too same with alot others..and even with TO issue there have been a lot of stars Baron Davis Stephon Marbury now Russell Westbrook John Wall..don't forget we are not talking about taking him over Davis&Drummond we are just talking about pg position while there aren't almost any lottery talent and Tony definitelly have that talent..
6'6 6'7 205 with the frame to be and ideal sized wing the speed and vision of elite pg scoring instincts of true game changing scorer, it's a whole package at age of 18..
when to have top10 talent you are younger than almost everyone in the draft you can't be judged only for turnovers and deciosions that hard..he is work in progress..but i see a potential star in him
Marquis Teague can get to the rim at will and his decision making is much better compared to the beginning of the year. He is only going to improve much like he has throughout the year. Kendall Marshall has pretty much reached his ceiling in my opinion. If you are drafting on potential it's Teague/Wroten depending on your teams strengths. If you need a play from day one point guard, the choice is Marshall without a doubt.
how did marshall reach his potential????? he probably did athletically. he can very well improve his jumpshot, FT, IQ.... maybe a lil something on D
I like Wroten a lot but I don't think he's ready to be an NBA PG. He has a huge ceiling, but he's not very polished. Although if he came out I would take him over any other PG in this class.
I have no idea why people like Tony Wroten as a prospect. First of all, I don't think he's a PG. He's a ball-dominat, low IQ SG to me that plays no defense. It's obvious he has talent, but he's as reckless as he is talented. I also think his passing ability is overrated because he's such a poor decision maker and tries some really stupid passes that he should really pocket. He's at his best when he puts his head down and attacks his defender, but then when he does score on those drives he puts on blinders and ends up taking some wild, contested shots. 20+ games into his college career and he still looks like he's playing streetball out there.
Has it not worked WizardofOz? He's so unpolished, yet he's playing extremely well. Turnovers can be improved upon easily, his jump shot is bad, but again that's easily correctable. He's not as low IQ as you think and he has immense talent to score and distribute. His court vision is exceptional and so is his passing ability. As he matures as a player his decison making will improve. He's 18, I think he has an excuse for playing a tad inefficient. Although I do agree he would probably be best as a SG, imo he still would be the best PG in the long run of anyone in this class.
He's not playing extremely well. I think UW will be better when he leaves. I watche dthe Oregon game a few days ago. i watched the oregon game last night. He's still the same as he was earlier in the year, making dumb mistakes. 6 TOs. Forcing the issue, driving into brick walls and expecting bailouts, shooting through defenders, gambling on defense, struggling vs the zone, not running back on D, making poor decisions against Oregon's token pressure.
He's a wide eyed, erratic kid who constantly forces the issue and swings for the fences.
And y'all still sleeping on my man's Trey Burke. He'll be a prospect as soon as next season.
Thanks YoungDave atleast somebody else in here has some common sense and we're getting negged crazy for thinking Wall is better then Marshall or that Marshall couldn't average 10 apg and less then 3 T.O.'s in the league tonight.
First off the difference with Marshall and Calderon is that Calderon is a great shooter who keeps defenses honest by hitting over 40% of his 3's. When he runs the pick and roll defenders don't know if they should go under or fight through.
In the NBA defenses are going to go under on Marshall every single time because he can't shoot. He just can't. You can get him to shoot 10 more times in a game and he's just going to miss so it's not like he has the potential to score more. Rondo is a bad shooter and succed in college shooting but he shot 50% because he was able to get to the rim and pick his spots and scored over 10 a game. Marshall can't even score 7 ppg and he can't even shoot 43% that is just absoluletly ridiculous. The only reason Marshal shoots in the 40's in because of the low number of shots he takes and the fact that like 70% of his shots are layups. When over half of your shots are layups and you still have a terrible shooting % there is something seriously wrong. And you think that's going to change in the NBA?
In college he plays on a team with like 4 All ACC players and Zeller and Barnes are arguably the 2 MVP"s of the ACC right now. Not only that Barnes, Henson, and Zeller all shoot an extremely high %. How hard is it to get assists when you're passing the ball to players who don't miss? Can you answer that? Barnes is shooting like 45% from 3 then you got Reggie Bullock and PJ Hairston who can reign 3's too. Then Zeller, Henson, and McAdoo are efficient scoring machines who either dunk everything or just get easy buckets. That's who Marshall is passing too, and even now he's not averaging 10 apg but you think he will get even better in the NBA. And not to mention Marshall is really not a great defender, do you really think he can keep guard Wall one on one? He's going to get abused on defense in the NBA. And above all else did you ever think the only reason Marshall passes so much is because he can't score and he has no choice but to pass because if he started shooting he'll build a brick house and get benched.
And for Tony Wroten this is a great video breakdown of his strengths and weakness passing the ball: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twSOjSGa_zw
It shows you Wrotens good and bad descision making and passes he makes that turn into makes and misses. But Wroten on most draft sites especially ESPN is firmly atop the PG rankings and with good reason. He's in contention to win PAC 10 Player of The Year as a freshman. He has eyes in the back of his head, and an uncanny court vision and above all else he's a gamer. Wroten has came up big on every big time stage he's played in. He's lead the U-17 to an 8-0 record, he's stole the show in All Star games, and in college he's came out and contued to prove he's a big time prospect by possibly becoming the best player in the conferance as a freshman. He also nearly stole the show when Washington played Duke and was the best player on the court from both sides. Bottom Line is Wroten has so many traits that you can't teach, he has a great work ethic, he wants to not only be great, but he wants to be a great PG, and he's only 18. I don't know what more you could want from a prospect.
He's shooting 48% and putting up good numbers. I would say he's playing well. So for all the times you say he makes a poor shooting decison, he must make up for it quite a bit for him to still be shooting well.
@WizardofOz almost all of the negatives you stated for Wroten are the exact same things that people said about Wall but that didnt stop him from becoming a very good PG with the potential to be great did it?
A lot of Wroten's trouble with forcing the ball in because he's playing SG and wants to make a great player every time he get's it either for himself or his teamates. If Gaddy got hurt tomorrow and Wroten was allowed to run PG full time you would see a lot of them mistakes start to correct themelves. You see him start to slow down and making smarter descicions with the ball. Most of his turnovers are forced passes that either the team isn't ready for or he just took a risk throwing. You rarely see him getting the ball stripped, or offensive charges, or any number of the type of turnovers which are common of players who have a low BB IQ (Iman Shumpert I'm looking at you)
But the thing that I like most about Wroten is he has the option to score or pass for the score, he'll almost always pass. I love players that do that. He's really unselfish. He'll often have a breakaway with his teammate and he ahead only to throw the ball between his legs backwards so his teammate can get the easy finish instead.
how does wroten have a low ball iq? he makes mistakes any other freshman makes..plus he's play out of position..
jeremy lin(not that im comparing the two) has had multiple 7-8 turnover games does that mean he has a low ball iq?
Cam'ron are you reffering to what I said?
I didn't say Wroten had a low BB IQ I was actually stating a case for the oppossite. I was saying his turnovers are the biproduct of the number of calculated risks he takes during a game, and that they weren't the type of turnovers that result from players having a low BB IQ like Iman Shumpert. I like Shumpert but he is not a smart basketball player, when you watch him play he just does whatever he wants on the court. Shumpert takes bad shots, makes bad choices with the ball, and throws bad passes. A bad pass is a lazy pass that get's intercepted easily. I don't really consider a pass weaved between 2 defenders that bounces off a teammates face a bad pass.
^^I think he was referring to my post.
When you have a poor decision maker playing a ball-dominant role, it IS a problem. Turnovers, poor decision making, constantly forcing the issue, playing bad defense, monopolizing the ball and turning his teammates into bystanders, etc. If that doesnt spell out low bball IQ, then nothing does.
I'm not a hater, I just dont like his game and i recognize it for what it is. Huskies will be better when Wroten leaves.
Wroten still reminds me a lot of Terence Williams (who's glued to the bench on HOU right now).
^^Like Williams he's also a sloppy ball-handler and passer with poor awareness and decision-making, yet they insist on being ball-dominant.