Top 5 Power Forwards
The top 5 power forwards seems to be a very interested topic at the moment. It really hasn't been this close since Webber, Garnett, and Duncan were all in their prime. From guys that just came into the league (Love and Griffin) to guys that have always been in the backseat and are finally getting the attention they deserve (Zach Randolph and LaMarcus Aldridge) to aging veterans that get the nod because of rings (Pau Gasol and Dirk Nowitzki).
What's your list of the top 5 power forwards in the league?
Amar'e Stoudemire #5
- One thing that bothers me about Amar'e is his lack of defense and rebounding. He is one of the most polished players in the entire NBA for his position but the fact that he chooses not to even try on defense is what makes me give him the name "The Human Turnstile" or "The Ghost in the Post". With so much athleticism, strenght, and length, he should be challenging Dwight Howard every year for the DPOY award, yet me chooses not to participate.
Dirk Nowitzki #4
- When you're talking about the best shooters in the league, Dirk is at the top. His new-found toughness and aggressiveness puts him in the top 4 but not any further because of his lack of defense. It's not that he doesn't want to play defense like Amar'e but he simply isn't athletic or strong enough to stay in front of guys in the NBA. That doesn't mean that he'll try on every play though. Not only that, he's having a pretty terrible season this year, it would be a travesty to move him any further on the list while dropping 17-5 on a near .500 Dallas Mavericks team.
Kevin Love #3
- One of the best, if not, the best rebounder in the league today. Watching him play is complete beauty. He plays so smooth, fundamental, and doesn't force anything. Even last night with guys like DeAndre Jordan and Blake Griffin all over his back, Love boxes out while nobody in the NBA even knows what that phrase means. He is also the only player in NBA history to average over 15 rebounds a game and average atleast 1 three-point shot a game. Not to mention, he did that while shooting 41% from downtown. What keeps him out of the top 2 though, is the fact that his defense isn't that great. Yeah, he tries but like Nowitzki, he just isn't physically or athletically able to play defense on a higher level.
Blake Griffin #2
- He can rebound, he can run the break, he can pass the ball, he dunks like a beast, and he's only getting better. Blake Griffin is a human highlight reel but that's not the reason he's #2, his footwork has improved so much this season and his jumpshot is started to drop. Once he gets that jumpshot to consistently drop and he adds a couple more post moves, he'll easily average 28-32ppg for the Clippers for years to come. He's the reason people watched the Clippers last season. He's the reason DeAndre Jordan's career has gotten back on track. Keeping him out of first place are three things, the incredible play of #1, his excruciatingly poor free-throw shooting and the fact that he's not polished on defense. He's constantly being tricked by up-and-unders, swim-moves, or simple fakes. He tries hard and hustle every play but when you're in your 2nd year in the league, it takes time to catch up on the defensive end, and Blake will eventually get it right.
LaMarcus Aldridge #1
- He is having an incredible year this season. 23-9 while playing defense and leading the Blazers to a 9-6 record in this condensed schedule is ridiculous. Not only does LaMarcus Aldridge score and rebound, he is a very good passer for his size and is easily one of the best passers. In the conversation with other power forwards like Griffin, Gasol, and Love. LaMarcus Aldridge has been underrated and is finally getting the credit he deserves. When Brandon Roy went down, the Portland Blazers stayed afloat. The entire offense goes through Aldridge and he hasn't let them down yet. He is so polished and the only other player that has more moves than Aldridge is Gasol. Even then, Aldridge has perfected the moves he does know and his jump-shot is one of the best in the league for power forwards. Not only does he play offense but he's a defender. That's one thing most guys on this list lack, defense. He's a very good defender, strong bodies, steady, athletic, and long arms. He uses them all to his advantage, both on offense and defense.
What's your list?
i still put dirk at number 1 even though he is struggling this year. He was hands down the best player in the playoffs last season so ill give him a pass on the slow start for now. Number 2 would be aldridge for me. I think he is blossoming into a consistent go to player. After that, its all a toss up. I would have put zbo here, but he is injured and still hasnt done enough over the course of the last few seasons to prove he is gauranteed to come back strong and keep it up so its a wiat and see with him. Pau is underperforming and seems to have mentally accepted not taking over games and just being a solid player out there. I have given blake as much credit as anyone on here but he hasnt taken off as well as i expected this season. Love is solid all sround, but is still a poor defender and improving go to guy. Personally I would leave amare and bosh out of the top 5
so basically my list is:
It will be fun seeing these guys battle each other the rest of this season and going forward casue i think its really close amongst all of them.
Move love and dirk ahead of Blake...Blake has to learn to play defense and hit a free throw when it counts down the stretch...
Damnit, this exact post comes up once a week. Can we give it a rest for at least a little while?
I think people are overrating Griffin right now. Yes he is a highlight waiting to happen every game, but he is no where near as polished as the other PF's on people's lists. All he really does is dunk and rebound (but not as good as Love) Now he is very good still and will someday be the best PF in the league easily once he develops a jump shot and plays some defense, but for now he is overrated.
Not trying to make this sound like an attack but if you don't like a post, there's no need for you to click on it. The title explained exactly what this thread was, if you didn't like it from the beginning, why did you click?
1. Dirk Nowitzki
2. LaMarcus Aldrige
3. Kevin Love
4. Ama're Stoudemire
5. Chris Bosh
Now I know I am going to get flamed for this and get a world of negatives, but the reason I left out Blake was, I personally think he is over rated. He has absolutely no post game, he can not shoot, and all of his scoring comes from the fact that he's always played with a good point guard. Check his stats since CP went out, he scoring has gone down, and his field goal percentage has dropped because Chauncey Billups and Mo Williams don't give him the ball in a spot where it is easy for him to score.
but I agree with Kevin Love. He is the best power forward in the NBA today. He is revolutionizing the position. Anyone talking about his defense is just NITPICKING. You're just stuck in your ways and aren't ready to pass the torch over to a young player on the rize who is absolutely deserving. Come on before Love 15 rebounds a game in today's game was unheard of......you have to go all the way back to rodman for those kind of numbers and that guy had NO offense......Love out here hitting game winning 3 pointers and shooting 40 percent from 3, again when in HELL does a power forward shoot 40 percent from 3???
if you cry dirk, he can shoot like that from the power forward postion but all these years we've been CRYING for the man to rebound, he couldn't ever get u 10 a game let alone 15.
What about last year when he averaged 22ppg without a quality point guard?
5. Lamarcus Aldridge- I had a tough time putting him over Amare and Bosh but here he is. Alridge is an extremely talented post player but there's a few notes that bother me about him. One is he's not the greatest rebounder. Even after grabbing 23 rebounds last night he's still only averaging 9 for the year and has never averaged a double double. Another thing that really bothers about L.A. is he does't have an excuse not to be a great shot blocker. He's never averaged more then 1.2 BPG despite possesing an enormous 7'5 wingspan and excellent coordination.
4. Dirk- We all know he's having a bad year but we all also know what he's capable of.
3. Pau Gasol- The new Tim Duncan when it comes to all around play and fundamentals. Plays both sides of the ball and has rings to go with the best skill set of any big in the league.
2. Blake Griffin. He does more then dunk and rebound. He'll grab the defensive rebound, start the fast break, pass to a guard, beat the remaining defenders in the open court, then catch the oop for an easy dunk. His combination of strength, speed, coordination, and skill level. hasn't been seen in this league from the power forward position since Karl Malone. Blake has refined his ball handling so that he can iso himself on the wing and take opposing big's to the rim at will. Griffin also is averaging nearly 4 APG thus far during his early career which when combined with his high FG% prooves he clearly knows what to do with the ball in his hands.
1. Kevin Love- He is the definition of domination right now. He's giving you an absurd 25 and 15 everynight. When was the last time a player has given us atleast 25 points and 15 rebounds everynight? On offense Love is the complete package with post skills, shooting skills, and passing skills. And to say he's a bad defender is simply unwarranted. The guys hustles, bodies up, and get's you a steal, a block, and 10 defensive rebounds everynight. His lack of length limits him on this side of the ball but his effort doesn't. His game winning shot against the Blake Show cemented it for me that's he ahead of Blake and the Wolves are winning games after finally getting a coach that knows what he's doing despite still being extremely young and having a rookie PG as their 2nd best player.
whoever is putting amare in the top 5 hasnt been watching any knicks games this year. cause id rather have 6 or 7 other pfs over him this year...
*When Dirk becomes Dirk again he moves to #3. I haven't seen the real Dirk this season yet.
I am taking into consideration how each player is playing right NOW
1. Lamarcus Aldridge-ever since last year when Roy went down he has completely elevated his game to another level and become the vocal point of the Blazers offense. He fits with either a slow tempo system or high paced offense which is what the Blazers run now. I love his game and the improvments he has made to his game.
2. Kevin Love- I may get negatives for putting him here but he has really shown strides in every year hes been in the league. Hes shown he can consistently be a double double threat every single game. He hits the glass hard and gets great positioning under the boards. He has hit the three very well this year and I would like him to get a better back to the basket game but for now he is almost strictly a face up forward. He seems much more agile and quicker since dropping weight in the off season and is extremely versatile. Just needs to work on getting better on defense.
3. Chris Bosh- yes you may say he defers to Dwayne Wade and Lebron too much, but when either of them was out he has shown the ability he has to become a first option and put the team on his back. Remember the Atlanta game? He was an absolute monster. He can take you off the dribble, has a solid back to the basket game but is obviously beter facing up. Can hit the elbow jumper and has a great mid range game and has even shown the abilit to hit the three pointer this year. I love when he has driven the ball this year and either finished the shot or risen up to dunk it. Bosh in my opinion is the undisputed best third option in the league. He still has the ability to take over games when needed and does need to work on becoming more agressive but is still extremely skilled.
4. Blake Griffin- people say all he can do is dunk. I disagree completely, he has an array of post moves then include the baby hook, spinning and has even developed a solid mid range game this year. He has the ability to go right at you and finish, he is insane when crashing the boards and mantains high energy all the time. Griffin does have a lot of skill that goes with his athletic ability but people tend to overlook his skill because he makes the highlight dunks. Griffin is an extremely explosive athlete and hard worker so you know he is going to keep working on his post moves and mid range game. I think his work ethic is incredible. Yes, he needs a lot of work on defense but I think once he learns how to play solid defense he can undisputably be called one of the games best.
5. Dirk Nowitzki- I may get a lot of criticism for putting him here at number 5 but hear me out. Dirk is obviously the most talented and was unstoppable towards the end of last year but as of now he seems to be out of shape. I think he needs more time to get his wind back and get his game back on par with what it was in the playoffs. Dirk needs to rebound better as well. I know he was never known to be a great rebounder but for his height I expect a little bit more, especially now more then ever with the loss of Chandler. I am still very hopeful Dirk can move up on this list and fully believe by mid season he will be back to the top of his game.
I feel like Tyreke nailed it for best power forwards right now
He had a motivated Baron Davis last year, and after Davis got traded check the stats, his FG percentage went down
I can't believe some of these posts I'm reading about Blake Griffin...
I'm not saying he's Tim Duncan, but no post game? He's getting punished for being a freak athlete. Why is it being ignored that he can play on either block in the low post, mid or high post? Why is it being ignored when he gets the ball on the block, shows patience, great footwork and touch when doing up and unders, the inside baby hook or fadeaway over his right shoulder (prefers to do his spin and baby hook off of the glass when going over his left shoulder)? He draws the double in the post and consistently makes the right passes to teammates.
People say Kevin Love has a great IQ and is a great passer (a compliment that is consistently given to white unathletic players), but just totally ignore how great Griffin's IQ and passing are. What... You can't be a freak athlete and have a high IQ too? Because Griffin has a GREAT understanding of how to play basketball. And he's a BETTER passer than Love. I'd say that Griffin is probably a top five passer at his position.
Griffin's mid-range jumpshot isn't consistent, BUT he's shown improvement from last season. He CAN make that shot and has made that shot during key parts of a game. He's worked on his free-throw shooting and defense, BUT it's not showing right now. However, a player with his work ethic WILL get better. Probably even before this season ends.
People want to talk about how Griffin's FG percentage went down (whatever that means since he's shooting 50% for his career), but ignore the fact that Love is shooting less than 46% for his career... Only 41% this season.
I don't think Griffin is the best power forward in the league, but this hate is getting sad...
As of today, numbers aside... Here's who I'd pick:
1. Dirk Nowitzki - He's not a great defender, but he knows where to be. He doesn't rebound like he used to, but is okay there. He's not playing for numbers... He could care less if he averaged 30. He's playing to win and I still think he's the toughest power forward to defend in basketball. Complete offensive game and he delivers when the game is on the line. He's seen every defense.
2. Lamarcus Aldridge - He's a VERY good power forward and on a very good team. He does a little and has a sprinkle of everything in his game. Developing into a go-to player down the stretch of games. The only knocks are that he's not a monster rebounder and despite his length, doesn't really block a lot of shots. However, if you watch his man to man defense, he's pretty damn good. He also is great defending the pick and roll. He can hedge and get back to his man, or switch out on guards.
3. Zach Randolph - He's injured right now, but what can't he do? He's a complete offensive player, great rebounder and improved defender. He can bully you or show you his great feet/touch. He's good making that high to low pass. He isn't going to shut anyone down, but he's where he's supposed to be. During his early career he only cared about numbers, but now he cares about winning and plays like it.
4. Chris Bosh - Anybody saying he isn't top five at his position needs to drop the hate against the Heat. He's had to adapt and adjust his game the most on the Heat. He could easily do what some of these other power forwards are doing on borderline playoff to non-playoff teams. He's not a superstar, but is elite. Very good offensive player who, contrary to belief, DOES step up at the end of games. Good rebounder and has improved as a team defender. More of a face up four and not back to the basket, but he's offensively gifted.
5. Gasol - At the start of last season, he sat at the top. But after a poor playoff performance and "slow" start to this season, he falls down to five. Everyone can see Mike Brown's offense doesn't fit him, plus Kobe Bryant is shooting a lot and Andrew Bynum is trying to show he's an elite center. Gasol is STILL the most complete/skilled big man in the game though. He's lost the mental edge he showed during the Lakers two championship seasons though.
IndianaBasketball has the best list yet. People only see Blake's highlight reel plays and Kevin Love's Pts/Reb numbers and assume they are the best.
Im OhCanada thats Churchboy. Thought you would be able to tell the difference by now....
Anyways I dont think your lists are even close to accurate. Basing this on careers is irrelevent, Dirk should not get seniority advantages due to past performances. Even if we all believe he will play that way again it is about what is happening now, or else I would be able to say Griffin is actually better based on potential. Im ranking my Top 5 PFs on the season.
Anybody else having problems with word verification?
Highlight reel... No dunks allowed.
The only reason why Aldridge gets ranked over these players in because he is the prominent player/or a featured scorer on a playoff team, that plays a complete game. Bosh is actually playing great basketball this year, and noone can really get mad at his 8-rebounds per game since Miami is the 5th best rebounding team in the league. Bosh used to o what Aldridge is doing now with better percentages, more rebounds, more points, and pretty much a better overall polish except his teammates were much worse and his playoff apperances were limited. Still Bosh is a very underrated player.
Blake needs to stop working on his dribbling and footwork and start working on his free throws and defense. SMH. Also Blake was drafted based on his post presence, athletisism, and hustle. He is definitely known as a post presence that isnt in question lol.
He's working on his defense and free-throw shooting, but just isn't seeing the benefits of his hard work just yet.
Soon all of the hard work will start showing on the floor. His work ethic can't be questioned.
Right now its hard to say who's the best power forward ..At the start of the season i said Dirk,but he's having problems finding his groove..
2 years ago i thought it was Pau,but every since last year's playoffs he doesnt seem to be as aggressive inside ..
As much as alot of people hate Bosh you have to have him in the top 3..He's been consistent since he entered the league,if he was a little nastier he would be the best..
Zack Randolph is a beast down low and deserves to be in the top 5...
I think Blake will be the best in a year or 2,people always talking about his dunking,but nobody mentions his passing..But athletic as he is, he should be a better shot blocker...
Aldridge is the most underrated player in the nba..The reasons are becuz he's not flashy or put up big numbers,but he's solid...
I think i was 1 of the few posters they said Love would become a star..H ehas that old school feel to his game and he makes his teammates better..
Scola doesnt get talked about that much but he deserves to be in the top 10..
Amere has hurt his chances at ever becoming a hall of famer,by not committing to defense and trying to improve his rebounding total..He seems to be satified with putting up big stats...
Honestly when I see Kevin Love's game right now, I see a mixture between Dirk and ZBo. Neither are that athletic and rely on craftiness to score. Love has Dirk's shooting but not his willingness to score and Dirk's ability to put his team on his back and take a game over. But Love does have a great ability to score. And just because he is shooting below 50% as a PF isn't that big of a deal. He plays a lot like a SF that is too slow so he has to play PF which is fine, he can do that because he doesn't get outmuscled or outplayed. He's obviously not the best PF in the game right now but he and Blake both have the potential to be and will be battling for that spot for years to come.
IndianaBasketball I've noticed that you are one of the first to point out the flaws in Love's game but also the only one on this thread that say there's Blake Griffin haters? I mean really? Yes he has a post game that few people can see but it needs to be developed more, so does Dwight Howard's though. Neither Blake or Dwight have been good at shooting FT's but if Blake can consistently shoot even 70% from the free throw line (while also playing better defense), he has a great chance to be the best PF in the league.
I also think that Lamarcus Aldridge is one of the most underrated players right now. He's obviously the focal point of the Blazer's offense and he is clearly up to the task but they aren't flashy enough so they don't get much love from the national media. Seriously watch L.A. some games. He's a beast and he is just getting better and better. Dominant post game, can go left or right, can hit the midrange shot AND free throws, plays great defense even though his numbers aren't that huge, shoots a good percentage, he makes his team better and is a clearly defined leader. That's the making of a number one PF in the league.
My list would go:
1. Lamarcus Aldridge - Steadily improving each year and when Roy got hurt, boy did he show what kind of player he really is.
2. Dirk Nowitzki - Even on an off year he could still dominate when he wants to. Once he gets back to his old form, watch out. There's not one person in the league that can really stop him.
3. Chris Bosh - The best 3rd option in the league. He can do it all just like L.A. but doesn't need to be a leader of the team so he became passive on the Heat. If he asserts himself like when LBJ or DWade is out normally, he could definitely be ahead of Dirk with how poorly he's been playing so far this year.
4. Blake Griffin (slight edge) - Great post game where he can face up, though not too far out, back his man down or dunk it on their head. He'll easily move up more and more as he improves his defense especially. He also gets the nod over Love because his team has shown the ability to win consistently even though Griffin isn't on his own anymore.
5. Kevin Love - Like I said before, he puts so much strain on the opposing team's defense because of what he can do on offense. He relies solely on his hustle on defense because he isn't as physically gifted as others are, which he sometimes loses focus on D.
(6) Pau Gasol, (7) Zach Randolph, (8) Amare Stoudemire, (9) Andrea Bargnani, (10) Al Jefferson, (11) Carlos Boozer, (12) Luis Scola.
...for Paul Milsapp, who is having a monster year.
1. Dirk Nowitzki-If you want to win a championship you're kidding yourself if you're not taking Dirk first.
2. LaMarcus Aldridge-If not for Dirk, the best PF in the NBA and probably the most complete PF in the NBA.
3. Zach Randolph-Just because he is hurt everyone is forgetting about him, what about when he dominated in the playoffs last year? He's still that guy.
4. Blake Griffin-Indiana said it best, people say oh he dunks and rebounds at thats it. He actually has a post game, one of the best passing bigs in the league and is the best big at running the floor...he can even handle the ball well.
5. Chris Bosh-He's really stepped up this year and been absolutely huge for Miami. He's not the main guy anymore but he still could be for most teams.
HM: Love (6), Gasol (7)
OhCanada and churchboy look exaclty alike lmao.
"He had a motivated Baron Davis last year, and after Davis got traded check the stats, his FG percentage went down"
A motivated Baron Davis? BDiddy was averaging 12.8ppg while shooting under 40% FG.
Blake Griffin averaged 22.8ppg and shot 50.1% FG with Baron Davis on his team.
Blake Griffin averaged 21.6ppg and shot 49.6% FG without Baron Davis on his team.
Yeah, his FG% went down... by 0.5%.. C'mon man!
Blake Griffin isn't better then Kevin Love.
1) LaMarcus Aldridge
2) Dirk Nowitzki
3) Zach Randolph
4) Kevin Love
5) Pau Gasol
IndianaBasketball I've noticed that you are one of the first to point out the flaws in Love's game but also the only one on this thread that say there's Blake Griffin haters? I mean really?
I don't get what you're trying to say... People can't stand when the obvious is pointed out. I've criticized both players and given them compliments as well.
I just don't think it's fair that Griffin is being punished for being a freak athlete, while Love is being praised for not being one.
In the last month a guy named Paul Millsap absolutely Molested Gasol, Love and Griffin, and also out played another guy named Nowitzki who was shut down by his coach the next game. Here's the head to head stats (Love 5-21 Fg's 15 pts 8 reb Vs Millsap 12-18 Fg's 26 pts 9 rebs) (Griffin 5-12 Fg's 10 pts 11 rebs Vs. Millsap 7-11 20 pts 6 rebs) (Gasol 5-14 Fg's 14 pts 11 rebs Vs Millsap 14-24 Fg's 29 pts 9 rebs). Not saying he's the best out there right now, but he has been playing very well against elite competition at his position this year, and has been super efficent while doing so. Not bad for a guy who's undersized at the position. Then he also doesnt get quite as much time on the floor as the other guys, due to the fact the jazz have so much depth at the 4 and 5 position.
Millsap has been crazy efficient this year. Turning the ball over about 1 time per game and hits 56% from the field. Compare that to Kevin Love shooting 41% and turning it over 3 times a game.