Someone posted top 10 PG's, so let's continue doing this for each position. Top 10 SG's. Not a lot of great SG's like there are PG's.
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwayne Wade
3. James Harden
4. Manu Ginobili
5. Eric Gordon
6. Monta Ellis
7. Joe Johnson
8. Aaron Afflalo
9. Tyreke Evans
10. Kevin Martin
I take Paul George over Tyreke
That's not a bad list at all. However, I think you may have James Harden ranked a little high. I love him as a player and I definitely think he deserves to be in the top 10, and will very soon be one of the best 2-guards in the league, but I just don't see him being better than Manu, Monta, or Joe Johnson just yet.
Other than that, I really only see Tyreke Evans as one of the guys who doesn't potentially make the list. He has all the tools to be a top 5 SG in the league, but he has been greatly inconsistant is Sacramento.
of playing like a boss all playoffs long. Harden had made a statement this year with his play.
the hardest part about these lists- and the reason why I have not posted one yet- is a lot of these players don't have 1 definitive position, and how is it based? Going into next year? Like the PG list... take Derrick Rose- You could argue he would be 1 or at least in the top 3... that is if he even plays next year. And could you consider him or Westbrook in the SG list too? And can you consider LeBron for all 5 positions??? WolfRob has a good argument about Paul George being on the list... while he plays "SG" for the Pacers, is he more qualified as a 3? What's Iggy? Or Louis Williams? While there are a few guys in the league that have clear positions, there are just as many that play multiple positions or even out of position. And how would you consider a guy going into next year- that is injured pretty bad like a Rose? While a list seems like a good idea- I don't even know how to approach it.
Rose would definatly not be top of top 3 shooting guard. Some of his effectiveness gets taken away because now he has to actually guard a SG. He has to guard wade one night, Joe Johnson the next, Kobe the next, Eric Gordan etc. And he is already known as a so so defender so now he would be guarding guys who's job is to score.
3c Ray Allen when healthy
3d Ginobili when healthy
3f Eric Gordan when healthy
Everybody else debatable these 8 separate themselves but Ray Allen and Ginobili most likely will fall off because of there age.
True. Basketball, more than any sport, is a sport where guys positions are not as defined, and really they play more of roles than positions. Like in Football it's clear who the QB is or the RB is. Or Baseball, you're not going to confuse the 1B for SS. So usually I go by what player's are listed at, but yea guys like Iggy, George, Lou Will and others could be considered SG's. For player's injured like Rose, I didn't even list him for PG, because he won't be playing for a while and when he does come back it's going to take a lot of time to get used to playing again, so it's basically like he's out for the entire year, sad truth for him. But yea, this list is fairly subjective when you consider how positions are not really clear-cut in basketball.
I agree you could put Manu ahead of Harden, since Manu was the best player, besides KD, in the SA-OKC series, but Harden kept OKC in the game last night. He's increadibly effcient, I think he's better than Westbrook, and OKC should go to Harden more often rather than Westbrook, as Harden seems to be a lot better with the ball in his hands. Ellis can light it up, but he's not as effcient of effective as Harden, and not near as good on D because of his size. Joe Johnson is slowly falling off due to age.
Also it's funny you mention George over Evans, because I think the Kings and Pacers should swap them. Both fit the other team better than the team they're on now, IMO. George is really more of a SF, allowing the Kings to have their 3-point shooting back court of Thomas and Thortan. George can be the lanky SF that attacks the basket and finishes, allowing Thomas to have the ball in his hand more, and Kings wouldn't be so small of defense. Pacers could have Evans as SG who can handle the ball, and create for Granger, Hibbert and West, and be another scorer.
George for Evans?....eh, oh well.
Great player...but "may" be getting a bit overated now. His role and the system he plays in makes him look like an All-Star. Could he carry a team if he were the 1st option? How would he fare if he didnt have two 20 plus ppg scorers around him? While when he is on, the Thunder usually look unbeatable...when he is off, the Thunder dont suffer greatly and can still win in most situations.
Currently, I can go with your list but I think Gordon is better than Harden...but of course he was not healthy and on a bad team. I think players a lot of time get overated or underated because of the teams they are on. Although they are different players and Harden is a better all around player, I wonder how good would OKC and OJ Mayo be if he were in Harden's place.
That's a great point, OKC and Harden are a perfect match no doubt. I think Harden would still be a good player on every team. Would that team be a title contender with Harden as the 1st team? doubtful, unless it was a Spurs/Celtics team where there a lot of other good/solid players.
I understand playing for OKC makes things a lot more easy for Harden as opposed to playing for the Wizards or whoever, but that goes for everyone. I rate him so high because he's so effcient, 7-11 and had 21 points, that's production. Also he showed he could carry during last night as he kept OKC in the game helping cutting the lead before Durant was able to come back in.
little since his rookie year to put him in the top 10.
right, I think Harden is a great player and would be good anywhere he plays because offensively, he is unstoppable. Would he better than Eric Gordon if he were in L.A. with Blake or if he were in New Orleans? How would OKC be with Gordon at SG? Thats all I am saying.
I don't think Harden is overrated at all. If you have watched him during these playoffs, you can see that he can get to the basket whenever he wants, and can switch hands very well. Great three point shooter two.
As for the list, everything I agree with except I would have Paul George at 8.
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Manu Ginobli
4. Joe Johnson
After those four, it just gets cloudy for me. I think James Harden would be the next guy in line since he's proving himself in the playoffs.
I really like James Harden.
First, he can be the guy... Or he can be a role player. He can run the point or he can play off of the ball. He handles well, passes well... Sees the floor. He can catch and shoot. He can defend three positions. He has range. He's reliable from the line. He has that Brandon Roy athleticism. He can put the ball on the floor and finish. He also has a good mid-range game. And he is good with the game on the line. He's made big shots the entire playoffs that have just broken the other team's back.
This guy is really good...
Yes he is, glad you brought up Brandon Roy because i think Harden can be Roy. I don't like him because he flops so much but i do respect his skill
i like that idea as well dunno if the kings would do it straight up though george is a more natural 3 and would fit in nicely with thorton and dmc and evans would b a great 2 natural 2 for the pacers