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Timberwolves redo

Just thought about all the bad draft decisions that have been made by Kahn and Minnesota so I looked back at the drafts to 2007. Here are a couple different line-ups they could have had.....

Rubio, Derozan, Paul George, Love, Joakim Noah

Holiday, Westbrook, Thaddeus Young, Valacuinas, Cousins

Stephen Curry, Eric Gordon, Paul George, Noah, Valacuinas

Rubio, Derozan, Young, Love, Cousins


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I'm sure we could do this for

I'm sure we could do this for every team though.

And McHale was still making the moves in 2007 and 2008.

Let's give McHale credit for getting Love though. I don't think Love is a superstar, but he's sure a hell of a lot better than Mayo. That was a trade almost everyone thought was lopsided at the time.

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Pour more salt on the wound

Pour more salt on the wound why don't ya? :P

Kahn's really screwed things up though. This summer's signings of Roy, etc...I think that was all Adelman. The idea of shipping multiple first round picks AND Derrick Williams for Batum screams KAHHHHHHHHHN!!!!!!!

I actually didn't mind the Love-Mayo trading at the time because of Mike Miller. Miller was coming 16pts-7boards per game and a spot shooter to compliment Jefferson and Love sounded logical. Jefferson and Love up front, at least offensively, sounded very intriguing and we already were building around Brewer at the 2. Unfortunately Jefferson tore up his knee at the WORST time and so much has changed since then.

T-Wolves have often failed in the draft with the exception of KG and Wally World.

But to conclude, McHale > Kahn.

At least they're not stuck with Michael Jordan or Paul Allen trying to run the show.

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love averages 25 and 14..........he's a superstar like it or not..........but you're right though and that trade did seem VERY lopsided at the time.....mayo was hyped as the second coming of LeBron while he was in high school........sounds crazy now but back then he was all over magazines....it's because they were looking for the next while the first was still establishing himself.

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Mayo definitely had a ton of

Mayo definitely had a ton of hype, but his season at USC was not as good as it looks on paper and the chances of him staying in Minnesota definitely weren't good.

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No. LeBron James and Kevin

No. LeBron James and Kevin Durant are superstars. Chris Paul is a superstar. Derrick Rose and Dwight Howard *when healthy* are superstars. Tim Duncan and Steve Nash in their primes, were superstars. Kobe Bryant, though on the decline now, is a superstar.

Players like Kevin Love and Blake Griffin, are not superstars... Not yet. I don't care how many highlights they make or how they stuff a stat sheet.

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Thanks for bringing Blake

Thanks for bringing Blake Griffin into the discussion. Because any time you can associate Kevin Love with the complete opposite of his skill set, you obviously have to do it.

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Obviously, Love is not a

Obviously, Love is not a superstar player, if he was the Wolves would of overcome Rubio's injury. For goodness sake is not like they didn't have any talent around Love 2/3 of last yrs team where lottery picks. At the same token, Love is an All star player with great skill set but not in the league of LeBron, Kobe or CP3.

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They played Wes Johnson,

They played Wes Johnson, Beasely, and Darko Milicic major minutes. Lebron James would have had a hard time taking that team to the playoffs without Rubio. Note that this team was so badly constructed they played Luke Ridnour at two guard even before Rubio got hurt. That's pathetic.

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LOL

LOL

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Lets look at their Lineup

Lets look at their Lineup now:

Rubio, Roy, Kirilenko, Love, Pekovic. I think thats pretty solid

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If the T-Wolves and the

If the T-Wolves and the Lakers get matched up in the first round of the playoffs, crunch time will be a hell of a treat when looking at the matchups.

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A healthy Timberwolves team

A healthy Timberwolves team should be a real threat and be able to compete with anyone. Im not saying they are championship favorites or anything, but they will not be an easy out in the playoffs.

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lol

lol

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You two are taking homerism

You two are taking homerism to another level.

The Timberwolves are a borderline playoff team to low seed. IF they meet the Thunder, Spurs or Lakers... They are done in 4 or 5 games...

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Ok you believe what you want

Ok you believe what you want to and I will believe what I want to. It is all guessing until the season starts.

The Wolves played the Thunder, Lakers, and Spurs tough in every game last year and we are much improved this year. Also won 58% of our games when Rubio started. People look at our final record and just assume we suck.

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The Timberwolves are a

The Timberwolves are a borderline playoff team to low seed. IF they meet the Thunder, Spurs or Lakers... They are done in 4 or 5 games...

Did we say anything different? I said they're a good matchup in the playoffs, not that they're a title contender. I'm pretty sure any T-Wolves fan with half a brain knows that they're not a 60-win team, but they also realize that they were a playoff team until Rubio's knee fell apart. They're improved and just have to tread water until Rubio comes back.

Who do you see making the playoffs in the West?

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@Nbanflguy @Lipstick

@Nbanflguy

@Lipstick

Where were you two last night when I was getting verbally raped bye Indiana and BTPH in the Kevin Love vs Chris Bosh vs LaMarcus Aldridge argument? Damn. Haha. I could've used your backup.

The Wolves are definitely going to be in playoff contention. For those of you who call what they had around Love and Rubio last year "talent", GET REAL. And for all of the Wolves lovers on this site, there are JUST as many Wolves haters.

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I think that day I went

I think that day I went outside for some fresh air...not sure though...

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Who do you see making the

Who do you see making the playoffs in the West?

No particular order; Thunder, Spurs, Lakers, Clippers, Mavericks, Blazers, Grizzlies, Nuggets

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No way Portland makes the

No way Portland makes the playoffs over golden state or Minnesota. They have too many holes

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Yeah I could definitely see

Yeah I could definitely see the Warriors making it over the Blazers.

Rubio will be out until late December, and even once he returns he won't be playing huge minutes right away. I see them struggling to stay in contention.

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Players like Kevin Love and

Players like Kevin Love and Blake Griffin,

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On paper they have a good

On paper they have a good team. It will come down to the health of Rubio, Roy, and A.K. who hasn't played a full season since he was a rookie. If they stay healthy they could easily make some noise in the playoffs.

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Healthy they are a playoff

Healthy they are a playoff lock. Once in the playoffs anything can happen. This is a seriously improved team. Get ready for them to win a lot of games in the regular season. Are they ready for the playoffs? Probaly not. Not much experience on the team as for as playoff ball. But just getting through the first round would be a major accomplishment. And it would put to bed the "Kevin Love isn't a super star" stuff if he puts up the same numbers this season on a 50+ win team.

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Amen, holmes.

Amen, holmes.

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Kevin Love is the best power

Kevin Love is the best power forward in the world right now can we stop this dumb debate over whether he's a super star. You don't average 25 n 14 without playing hard every night this is beyond ridiculous. He's putting up Hall of Fame numbers and he's not even 24 yet. He can lead the league in rebounds and win the 3 pt shootout in the same year.

The Heat would trade Bosh in a heartbeat for Love which would instantly make the Heat better ad the Wolves worse. Bosh didn't lead Toronto anywhere nor did he come close to Loves numbers check there stats at the same age.

Aldridge gets owned by Love everytime they play and missed the playoffs himself last year despite having a considerably better.team then the Wolves. Put Batum and Mathews in the Wolves starting 5 and they're atleast 10 wins better.

Blake now has CP3 aka the best PG in the world.

And Love averaged 17 and 10 as a freshman at UCLA leading them to the Final Four I honestly thought the Thunder messed up by taking Westbrook over him cuz I envisioned Durant sniping and slashing with Love cleaning boards and banging in the post. Obviously that worked out well for the Thunder.

I still don't like Minnys roster though. They still need a tough shot blocking Center to pair with Love and a consistent perimeter threat. Roy is a wildcard so is AK47, neither one of them played last year and are injury prone..

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I agree with everything you

I agree with everything you said, man.

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Well Pekovic is one of the

I also agree. Except for the statement that the Wolves need more at Center. Pekovic is one of the strongest guys in the league and Steisma is a good shot blocker, so I don't know how much more you want them to get out of the Center position. Sure these guys aren't Max Contract centers. They aren't even Javal McGee, but the Center position isn't weak on the Wolves now that Darko is gone. Camby would have been a good pickup for the Wolves and so would Brand, so there were opportunities to upgrade there. But beyond those guys I don't think there were any real center upgrades out there for the Wolves to get beyond Steisma.

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IMO if your the best player

IMO if your the best player at your position in the NBA you SHOULD be able to lead your team to the playoffs... How many so called ELITE players fail to lead their team to aleast an 8th seed when healthy??

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When Kobe Bryant couldny lead

When Kobe Bryant couldny lead the Kwame Brown Lakers to the playoffs did that mean he wasn't a top 10 player in the world anymore? Kevin Love is still a few years away from his prime believe it or not. If Love was 28 in his prime and couldn't lead the Wolves then it'd be different. But Love just turned 24 meaning you can't put all the blame on a 23 year old PF who played on a team with a new coach, a revolving lineup, no true defenders or any perimeter threats to the playoffs. The Wolves came closer to the playoffs last year then many predicted its not like people even expected that team to be good. But people always doubt greatness and Kevin Love is great and will continue to dominate the league regardless now if his team can step up hell see team success. And I don't think Pekocic is bad he's one of the better centers in the league, but to compliment Love I think the Wolves would benefit.from having an athletic rim protector. I really thoght the Wolves should of considered Biyombo, Kanter or JV with the 2nd pick for this reason. Kanter would of fit in like a more athletic Pekovic.

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Using Kobe Bryant's one year

Using Kobe Bryant's one year not making the playoffs is such a bad comparison. No, actually... It's awful.

I don't feel like looking up all of the stats, but the Lakers missed the playoffs by about 10 or 11 games. That team had Lamar Odom and a young Caron Butler, but Kobe missed almost 20 games. Odom got hurt during a key stretch and missed almost 20 games. A team that weak can't make the playoffs with Kobe missing double figure games.

The very next season, with basically the same roster minus Butler, a healthy Kobe leads that team to the playoffs as the 7th seed and took the 2nd seeded Suns to 7 games.

Love is just going into his 5th season, but has never even led his team to a top 10 finish... Never a .500 record. Never been on a winning team. I don't think anybody is denying that he's a very good player. But superstar? The best power forward in the league? It's clear that his numbers aren't leading to wins. He's put up monster numbers the last two seasons and it's led them nowhere. How do you explain that? How can a superstar struggle just to lead his team just to a top ten finish? How can an All-Star be on a 17 win team?

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And Rubio's torn ACL and

And Rubio's torn ACL and Pek's ankle problems were no big deal or anything....

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"I really thoght the Wolves

"I really thoght the Wolves should of considered Biyombo, Kanter or JV with the 2nd pick for this reason. Kanter would of fit in like a more athletic Pekovic"

I can see JV being picked, but if they chose Biyombo? I suppose if that happened then we might have Anthony Davis right now (oh wait, they didn't have a first round pick)...but I'm guessing Rubio would've bolted back to Europe, Adelman would've lost his mind halfway through the season, and Kevin Love would've said F*ck This Sh*t and demanded a trade.

:)

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Who do you see making the

Who do you see making the playoffs in the West?

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there are 7 superstars in the

there are 7 superstars in the game

lebron

KD

dwight

rose

paul

wade

kobe

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The T-Wolves aren't winning

The T-Wolves aren't winning 50 games. If they did, Kevin Love would have to be in the top 3 in MVP voting. The West is just too deep this year for the T-Wolves to climb that high.

Clippers, Grizzlies, Lakers, Nuggets, Spurs, Thunder...all of these teams have the potential to get to 50-60 wins this year, depending on which team is particularly mentioned.

That leaves Dallas, Utah, Minnesota, and Golden State to snag the last two spots. Golden State and Minnesota each have their health issues and both have sneaky-good depth on paper. Curry and Bogut remaining healthy will be key for Golden State and Roy, Kirilenko, and Rubio will be key for Minnesota in making the playoffs. I sound like Captain Obvious, but whatever. Health is their biggest factor in making the playoffs.

It feels weird thinking about Dallas, as long as Dirk and Cuban are there, not making the playoffs, but I don't see them being good enough. Losing Chandler and his defense, and expecting Kaman and Brand to make up for it just isn't going to happen. Maybe Mayo explodes this year for 20 a game and Dirk doesn't decline, but I can't see them mustering 45 wins.

A logjam up front for Utah while having no starting-caliber point guard is really going to hurt them. Maybe they can ship Big Al for a point guard....but who's on the market? Utah's youth in Favors, Burks, and Hayward are key to another playoff run.

Totally rambling, but oh well. I see Minnesota and Utah snagging the last two spots, though if Rubio struggles and Roy's knees keep him sidelined, it could get ugly because their defense looks dreadful on paper.

In that case, Dallas and Utah grab the 7th and 8th seeds.

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The thing that I find a bit

The thing that I find a bit ironic with the T-Wolves is that Brandon Roy has ended up there after they passed on a chance to draft him in 2006. Imagine that Brandon had won rookie of the year with the T-Wolves in 2007, that could have persuaded KG to stay and thus had a huge impact on other team's fortunes. KG and B-Roy would surely have got that team to the play offs a couple of times before Roy's injury issues occured and the T-Wolves would have added other players around them.

I'd see the T-Wolves at around .500 if they get everyone fit when we assume they will be, if Rubio returns earlier and/or B-Roy/AK47 find their old form then they can easily have a winning season. Realistically the best I could see them being is 6th seed so they would be in 6th to 8th mix with Dallas, Denver, Utah and perhaps Phoenix and GSW at a stretch. Of the teams in this mix I'd fully expect Denver to make the play offs but their ceiling is maybe 5th/6th seed and Dallas again we'd probably expect to be a play off team so it could realistically be T-Wolves and maybe Utah for the last space.

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I think you guys don't

I think you guys don't realize how good Love is. Three months from now, you are going to be talking about him being a top five player in the league and saying, "Well of course the Wolves are winning, they have Love and a big advantage at PF every game they play." Darko, Beasely and Wes Johnson were like anchors holding down the Wolves. Those guys are gone.

But yes, the West is crazy good again. So the Wolves will have to get a lot of wins against the East.

Yeah, Dallas is rebuilding this year. They won't make the playoffs. Sad, but Dirk is in decline and Kaman is going to be terrible like he has been for years. No Jason Kidd either or JET. That is lots of mental toughness going out the door there. No team can recover from that type of loss.

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I don't think u realize that

I don't think u realize that top 5 players lead their team to the postseason even with mediocre players let alone a team full of high lottery pick like the Twolves. Love has never come close to accomplishing what LeBron did w/t the Cavs or D.Howard w/t the Magic. People, that call Griffin overrated should say the same about Love WTF has he done for the Wolves? All I see is a guy that stuff his stats on a below .500 team each yr. If the Wolves make the playoffs this season it will be b/c of Rubio now that's a guy that makes a team better not ur hero Love.

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Pour more salt on the wound

Pour more salt on the wound why don't ya? :P

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