Sam Presti is calling around for a potential trade with other GMs to help get the Thunder to the next level.http://www.dailythunder.com/2010/12/sam-presti-is-taking-and-making-some-calls-what-for/. The Cs they have are not getting the job done. The Sonics/Thunder franchise has had problems drafting Cs recently.
-(recently) Byron Mullens
-Cole Aldrich (IDK yet)
One rumor specifically is to send Anderson Varejao to the Thunder, and according to the ESPN trade Machine, he is a perfect fit. http://nbatraderumors.org/anderson-varejao-to-the-oklahoma-city-thunder-in-nba-trade-rumors/
The trade is Nenad Krstic and James Harden for Anderson Varejao and Anthony Parker, I was thinking maybe Nenad and a draft pick or money. I also read a Morris Peterson and Dequan Cook with adraft pick for Chris Kaman.That being said, who are good fits that you could see the Thunder trading for?
There were also rumors about trading for Jason Thompson
Varejao is the most underrated player in the league. I would absolutely love if the Thunder traded for him. I hate to give up James Harden but every team in the league needs a Varejao type player.
Varejao was a &$#%#&@! playing against LBJ and the Heat.
I wouldnt want to give up James Harden. He's playing really well as of late.
Varajeo most underrated never thought about him being that under the radar but he's a very good defender and rebounder. Isn't he an undersized Center though, would they start him at PF possibly?
I wouldn't want to give up Harden either in a trade for him.
Ibaka's pretty good and they draft cole aldrich, just give aldrich some minutes. They need Harden because he's the only player they have who shoots the three well enough to consistently draw a man to the perimeter.
my only question is what does this mean for Jeff Green? If they get Varejao are they giving up on resigning Green and will start Ibaka/Varejao at PF and C, or will Varejao come off the bench?
That Varejao trade is awful. I wouldn't do it for Harden straight up. He's averaged 15pts on 45% shooting in December. He's really coming around (finally).
I think they've already given up on resigning Green. This has become a typical statline for Green: 12pts, 4rebs, 1-5 from 3, with 40 min PT.
No matter how bad he plays, Scott Brooks insists on giving him huge minutes.
This season, Brooks has also insisted on playing ultra small ball in the last 5 minutes of games alot. Green at center (center!), KD at PF, with Sefolosha, Harden, and Westbrook. It never works! Tyson Chandler and Marion just worked them over in the last few minutes and the Thunder lost.
The best thing is to trade Green now and get something for him. Everyone loves him when he makes those 2-3 clutch plays a season, but he really hurts the team for the majority of the time because he's not a power forward.
I've been saying all along they should trade Green cause he has a lot of value at SF, there just using him wrong and are going to not get anything for him if he becomes a F/A.
he is not underrated, just look at his contract that says it all, he got plenty of media attenton when lebron was there he is a good rebounder and hustle player that can get you a good 10 to 15 pts a game depending on the situation..he is nothing more then that
Well then, who else could they get that could work for them.? Chris Kaman? Jason Thompson? I like Kendrick Perkins but I doubt he is available whether he was healthy or not
Kaman is weak defensively and Thompson is a PF, and Perkins isn't available. Varejao is probably the only guy they could get that is a good fit.
The Cavs aren't giving up Verejao for James Harden. I can say that right now. The Thunder should go and look for someone like Samuel Dalembert. He's cheap and could be a defensive force next to Ibaka.
well if they keep ibaka I think Kaman would be a great fit he may not be a good defender but when healthy he is an all star caliber big man with a bunch of good post moves and a little mid range jumpshot. If Kaman is struggling defensively just put ibaka in its that simple
dont think thats a great idea..yea there would be shot blocking but there would be no offense in the post and they also need a player with size not only lenght, that would be a very thin frontline
That's the thing, I don't think the Thunder need much scoring from the frontcourt. People forget, the Big they wanted to add was Tyson Chandler. He doesn't score much.
If the Thunder could get Dalembert and Greene from Sacramento, it would be a good move IMO
Ive been hoping for some sort of dalembert for green trade for quite some time. we really lack any scoring punch outside of tyreke who has been struggling and SF has been our most inconsistent position for quite some time. we could really use jeff green at the SF position and it would open things up for our other role players
From what i've read the Thunder are not looking to trade any of ther key players or make a big trade and aren't pressing about trading but they are willing to trade small peices
From following the thunder over the last few years here are some thoughts.
OKC will not trade for Dalembert. they have had the option to get him for almost nothing from philly and turned it down.
Right now OKC need 3 things. Another wing who can shoot, Someone who can defend NBA C's and to Increase the average age of their roster. which right now is the youngest in the NBA.
The only Pieces availiable are D.Cook, M. Peterson, and DJ White unless they get something that they just Can't say no too.
Guys they Are Looking at as NO 1 options probably include.
PG Mike Bibby, possibly jason williams on orlando
SG. Anthony Parker, Tony Allen
SF Shane Battier, (thabo sefolosha would be offered in this case), Vladimir Radmanovic, Michael Pietrus,
PF/C Jeff Foster, Reggie Evans
Why not trade for Haywood. He is a big solid defender and rebounder. Dallas is looking for a sg. As an okc fan. you hate to see Harden go, but Haywood would be a perfect fit if you can keep him happy and give him enough minutes.
If your Dallas, why would you give up Haywood? He's a big that they will need vs LA.
You gotta get something more if you are giving up the young Harden. Haywood isn't young any more and the Thunder have to look for the near future and beyond not for a quick fix for a limited time. If they could get haywood for collins that would be fine but not for a second year player with more upside compared to a big man who is on the down side of his career
That's why I said on my 76ers post...if the Sixers offered Iguadala...that would be a good fit and piece for OKC.
And who would the sixers get?..Gotta match salaries and kinda match talent
Iggy for Kristic and Harden would be the realistic deal
I put Iggy for Kristic-Harden and Maynor for my post.
if im the sixers i dont take that at all. Kristic has not been much this year. two bench players for a Allstar talent. The Gm for the Sixers would be fired. You can get much better deals from other teams then that. even with maynor
Well...if you read the Sixers post I made, I'm high on Harden. I feel making this move plus a 2012 1st round pick gives Philly three things
-Reedeemable cap space
- A young talent
- A 1st round pick
Besides...what do you want for Iggy is the question? They seems to hold him at a higher regard then many. I feel if Philly could flip Iggy into Harden and a 1st, you win down the road IMO.
Thats good that you hold Harden high but thats not a trade that will even get to the table for talks unless the Sixers could get nothing for Iggy. Too many other trade possibilities for more talent then that one. For iggy the Sixers want a almost for sure young future or close to Allstar talent( i understand you liek harden but we are subtracting personal feelings from the equation and putting in what we know/think other teams think of him). Theres alot of trade ideas i could put up but most would be of how i feel about a player personally and not what i know other teams may think about the player
It's not that I "Like" Harden at all. It's the fact, Philadelphia in this deal gets Harden who's upside is probably a 3rd man. Iguadala is a 3rd man right now. TODAY, there isn't a big difference from Iggy and Harden numbers wise besides rebounds and assists, but then again, the numbers of Iguadala would be adjusted if he played with Durant and Westbrook. Harden is making 4 mil to Iguadala's 12 million.
The Sixers get 5 million off the books and a extra draft pick along with a player who could be better in 2 seasons then Andre Iguadala. Where am I missing here?
Its more than just numbers though. Iggy is just a all around better player. much better on defense (harden isn't a bad defender but iggy is much better). Theres a big gap in talent there and with harden its what you think you might get, with iggy you know what you are gonna get and thats Allstar talent. I like Harden and have watched him but I've seen nothing to suggest he will be better then iggy on offense. Defense isn't even a debate
I have to disagree with Harden on offense. For defense, I'll admit Iguadala is better but Harden is still a good defender. Passing wise, I believe Harden is a underrated passer because he has Westbrook there AND he plays off the bench because OKC likes Thabo as the starter ( I don't agree with it, but not my team). Harden is also a alright rebounder for his position.
Offensively, I don't see much difference. The only difference to me is Iggy has more experience but when I watch Harden play, I see him being what Iggy is: a 15-20 ( I don't see Harden with 20 because he will never be a centerpiece on a team) scorer. Harden also shoots 40% from 3, he's a better FT shooter and only shoots 3 percent less then Iggy.
Harden avgs 25 mpg to Iggy's 37 mpg. Why are the numbers close then CONSIDERING the fact Harden slumped the first 6 weeks of the season?
It's VERY close. And Harden is .1 less then Iggy in steals
As A thunder fan, i am biased. but if money was no issue i wouldn't trade harden for iggy. Harden is less then halfway into his sophmore year, and is begining to live up to the number three pick that was used on him. then to also include our only decent C in Kristic and right now one of the best 3pt shooting PG's in the league in Maynor. No thanks.
How about Mcgee and Nick Young for Harden and Kristic? A Wall and Harden backcourt would be great for the Wiz and Mcgee gives OKC a young atheltic Center who can run and is an atheltic freak. Pair him with Ibabka and it would be an all out block party every night.
Ya'll sleeping on James Harden man.
Option 1: Chris Kaman. They didn't want to ante up to get Al Jefferson, and the price of a big man never declines.
2: Brendan Haywood. Might be a relative bargain if they just take on the contract.
3. Ben Wallace- Can afford to take on the Rip Hamilton/Ben Wallace combo platter if they wanted to move some youth and expiring contracts.
4. Anderson Varejao- A lot of money for energy.
6. Mehmet Okur- Unlikely that Utah would do any favors for the Thunder.
6. Tiago Splitter- A bit buried in San Antonio, and the Spurs would not move him for nothing, but worth trying.
7. Nazr Mohammed- Cheap rental that can probably be had by throwing a pick and some cheap young bodies at Charlotte.
I think Haywood, Splitter and Varejao are all unrealistic players they can get IMO. Haywood is a key piece for Dallas if they wanna beat LA, Splitter is still getting used to the NBA and San Antonio likes him. I believe he got hurt and missed the preseason ( I asked Spurs guys about him like a week ago) and Varejao, the price tag might be too high.
What about Marcus Camby now Portland might be shipping players out or even Biedrens from Golden State.
i would hate for them to get kaman, guy eats shots left and right
nazr mohammed is not much of an upgrade from nenad krstic\
i would like to see them get tiago splitter but he's more of a PF
Anderson provides energy and damn near a double double, better than Brenden Haywood, Dallas has been looking to trade him although i dont know why because they will need him in order to beat the Lakers
Haywood is miserable and playing less and less. Dallas wouldn't be so foolish as to look past dealing him.
Pops hasn't exactly had very many kind words to say about Splitter. The front office probably still likes him, but OKC is in a position where they have to overextend to get a big man. They aren't in a spot where they can pillage Minnesota for a pair of insignificant picks to get Al Jefferson. That ship has sailed. If San Antonio can get the right offer, they might consider it.
Biedrins isn't a halfcourt player. He is an overrated defensive player in that sense, and that would really just be adding another Serge Ibaka. A team can't win with physically weak big men who aren't that smart or skilled.
Camby is in the same camp as Okur in that it really doesn't benefit Portland to help Oklahoma City, and unlike Utah they aren't really in a financial pinch. Plus, the Blazers already have an abundance of very average young players.
"i would hate for them to get kaman, guy eats shots left and right
nazr mohammed is not much of an upgrade from nenad krstic"
Kaman has lost interest in Clipperdom, but the skill set is still very much there. He is so far and away better than any other candidate who could be made available.
Getting Mohammed has nothing to do with upgrading from Krstic but assembling 48 minutes of center play that can at least be decent.
"Anderson provides energy and damn near a double double, better than Brenden Haywood, Dallas has been looking to trade him although i dont know why because they will need him in order to beat the Lakers"
How is a sulking Brendan Haywood going to help Dallas beat the Lakers? Haywood needs to start and get minutes to function at his best, and that isn't going to come in Dallas.
He will help them more with his body and defense then if they traded him. Tyson chandler gets in foul trouble and then who do they put in?. And you see how hard it is to find a big these days. Haywood isn't ideal but he's better then whats left as far as free agents or big's available via trade. Personally i'd love for them to trade him. less worry for my Lakers
Because Dallas would be getting nothing in return and barred from making other moves to get a better priced, better motivated center to back up Chandler?
At this point with Haywood where he is mentally, who would be a better backup center, him or Ben Wallace? Him or Tony Battie? Him or a post-tradeline bought out Gadzuric? Heck, some team will kick the tires on Eddy Curry once he gets cut by New York. Haywood has five years on his deal, and it doesn't benefit Dallas anything to hold onto him and that contract when he is giving replacement level effort.