An athletic beast who his potential is out of this world. Doesn't play much SF because of Iguodala, Carney, Kapono. I always thought if Philadelphia plays Williams (1), Iguodala (2), Young (3), Speights (4), Dalembert (5) they could really have a good team for the next decade. I think Young can really be a franchise player for the 76ers. Excels in transition and has a strong body to go with it.
What do you guys think is this guy's ceiling and will he ever reach it? I like to think of his as an Antawn Jamison because he can play the 3 or 4.
Love his potential but the 76ers are stunting his growth. They needed to continue to give him more minutes last year because he produced in his 2nd season and could've improved even more in that important 3rd season.
I will trade you Rashard Lewis for Young.
i dont think he gets enough minutes either... the sixers frontcourt is a logjam with brand, dalembert and speights.. and the only other position he can play, the 3, is usually being played by igudala...
i think once the sixers start playing a more uptempo style they will be better... the princeton offense didnt suit them at all...
Yes I've be high on him but they either need to start him and just let Iggy go for somethin maybe a Center maybe let Iggy go for the 5th and draft Cousins take on Nocioni'c contract. Then they'll have a line up for the next 10 years
Then trade everybody else and fill holes at the back up spots keep Lou and trade everybody else I mean everybody
Yeah that team has run and gun offense written all over it with iggy, lou will, and young
I think Young may need to go somewhere else to grow as a player. He is better suited to be 3 man but even if Iggy plays 2 his game is that of a 3 and having Young on the floor with Igg does not work as well unless Young plays the 4 spot which he play okay but i doubt Sixers find a home for Brand though.
Agreed. He does need to play on a different team than Iggy. He has the physical skillset, but his ceiling will be based on how his fundamentals develop. The Jamison comparison is off because he was first and foremost a post player who had athleticism and mobility, and had to adapt to being small in the NBA. Young is the opposite, he is a perimeter player who is learning to play some in the post. He is out of position, Jamison was too small for his position. Jamison also gets twice as many rebounds as Young, and is known to be a great leader/teammate. On the other hand, from what I have heard, Young is a better defender.
hey raps are looking for a great SF...ship him out here we got plenty of minutes to go around next season lol...
He could fit, but might be redundant with Weems and DeRozan already here. Also the Raps would need a playmaker, especially if they draft Bradley.
I would like it if we did not have to give up too much, which I am sure we would.
Thaddeus Young is best suited as a 6th man off the bench, where his tweener status can be used as a matchup ploy instead of him simply starting without a true position. He may need to be traded (I don't mind if he does honestly...) but he's best suited as a 6th man on a good team.
Until it's too late...He's got it all...I do think he can be a great starter or 6th man...I'm a fan of Thad's...Have been from day 1...But If we can offer Him and Sammy to The Kings/Clippers or Raptors for their Pick 5th/8th or 13th...We'd dump serious money before July 1st...Iggy can go Too If we can get the Clippers 8th pick and D'Jordan...I'm really hoping we either clear space and build thru the draft or Play the guys we got and Buy out Brand....
Young is a good young player, but he is not right in this system. I see him as a Shawn Marion-type combo forward who would be best served playing with a play-making PG, which Lou Williams clearly isn't, or on a team filled with shooters, which Philly definitely isn't.
Maybe Jrue will develop into that play-making guard, but I doubt it, even though he is still very young. But with the 76ers likely drafting Turner, I think they have to trade Iggy because they play too similar. But if I were Philly I'd trade down and pick up Xavier Henry, much better fit than Turner would be.
How about this trade:
J.R. Smith & Ty Lawson
Iguodala & Speights
If that happened, Thaddeus Young would be guaranteed to get at least 20PPG next season, and they could draft Cousins at #2
Dalembert won't help here compared to Cousins as he is a banger we had a tall guy and he didn't work and we rather wait for Omri or Donte to pan out then throw in another young SF
No way does Thaddeus Young ever get 20 ppg in his career. I'd put money on that..And a team definitely wouldn't have Young getting 20 ppg and still be contending for the playoffs.
He average 15 when he was 20 years old and still raw and not getting real big minutes on a team that was in the playoffs. Why can't he average 20 when he is in his prime?
^Nope. And if he does get 20 ppg, the team he plays for would be possibly the worst team in the NBA.
G Min Pts PPG FGM FGA FGP FTM FTA FTP 3PM 3PA 3PP ORB DRB TRB RPG AST APG STL BLK TO PF
79 2462 1213 15.4 459 1018 .451 277 392 .707 18 65 .277 188 313 501 6.3 263 3.3 90 151 160 201
75 2582 1145 15.3 475 960 .495 139 189 .735 56 164 .341 139 238 377 5.0 86 1.1 100 23 118 165
Just throwing some numbers out there but one of those players is Thaddeus Young at age 20 and the other is Tracey McGrady at age 20. Played similar roles on similar teams. He did regress a little last year but everyone did under Eddie who ran an offense that was awful for the team. How can he not at least be a fringe 20 point scorer on a decent to good team? I don't get it.
Thaddeus Young is at best a true 4th option scorer. I've watched him play closely over the past 4 years (I live in GA, he went to Tech). He's not that good at any particular thing on offense to be a 20 ppg scorer. A part of the reason for the teams decline in production was because of Jordan, but alot of Young's decline was also because teams actually started gameplanning against him tougher. Philly had been slept on for 2 years before last year, and teams started making them play different. Young will not be a 20 ppg scorer. Nothing about his game is at that level honestly. I think he'll hover in the teens for all of his career.
You're not even throwing out any facts, all I hear it, NO NO NO from your mouth.
He averaged 15ppg as a 20yr old. Why can't he average 20ppg in his prime? It makes perfect sense, 5 years down the road, his offense will be more polished and his confidence will be higher. You can also add the fact that by then he'd found a niche in the NBA and finally found his true position as a Small Forward.
Finally you give some facts or reasons as to why you don't think he'll be a 20ppg scorer. Although I dont agree, atleast you have your reasons.
I didn't see much of him at Georgia Tech honestly but I have seen a lot of him with the sixers. He has great footwork although he doesn't have the bulk to be a consistant low post threat and I feel he is better suited to be a 3. Speaking of which, his height and smooth stroke suggest that he could be a good 3 point shooter. His main weakness that is hindering him right now is his ball handeling. If he ever improves in that aspect I think he'll be a 20 point scorer easy. There are a lot of average players who have averaged 20 points in a season and from what I've seen of Thad so far I think he has the potential to be an above average scorer. Hell Iggy scored 19.9 in a season and he has no shot.
If you question his ball-handling and the lack of range on his shot, how is he best suited as a 3? He's a tweener who's better suited off the bench to me, as he is better the closer he is to the rim and with the less dribbles he takes. But he lacks the size to play consistent minutes at the PF on a good team. He relies on his quickness to do just about everything he's good at, which is not a quality of a 20 ppg scorer. I don't think he'll ever be a polished enough player to get to 20 ppg. Andre Iguodala has always been better off the dribble and even in transition than Young has, so that's why he had that 20 ppg season 3 years back.
He relies on quickness which is not a quality of a 20ppg scorer?
Really? Have you heard of a young Dwyane Wade? There's a reason his nickname is Flash.
Dwyane Wade was also very skilled and more aggressive than Young has proven to be.
Yes but in his younger years, scored on his quickness, ala a young Allen Iverson. Guys who have quickness, use it early in their career until they figure out what else their good at.
He actually was skilled though. Dwyane Wade came to the NBA with a high skill level. And so did Allen Iverson..
Yeah and the fact that Thaddeus Young can do it all at this age, he can dribble, rebound, shoot, has good footwork, quick, good hands, means he's skilled enough to score 20ppg.
The problem is....he doesn't do all of that.:
He plays PF now and averages 5 rpg, which is not only below average for a PF, but less than Andre Iguodala (who played SG). Samuel Dalembert and Elton Brand also were better on the glass. Maureese Speights played 16 mpg (half the time of Young) and only was 1 rpg less than him. Young is probably our worst froncourt rebounder.
His ball-handling is the main thing holding him back. Not exactly sure why you listed that like it was a strength of his.
He's not a very good shooter at all really, probably mediocre. He shot 34% and made less than 1 3 a contest. And he doesn't have a strong mid-range game.
His footwork is raw. The only move he has in his post arsenal is a jump hook, and if he doesn't go for a jump hook he does a scoop shot. He's not Andrew Bogut or Kevin Love with his footwork sir.
The only things he has going for him on that list is "good hands" and "quickness." Make sure you watch 76ers games before you talk 76ers with me.
The point is, he's not a power forward, he's playing the wrong position.. heck if you put Andre Iguodala as a PF, he's going to struggle too. Put him in at small forward and give the 76ers a PF who can really spread the floor to about 20ft and Thaddeus Young's slashing ability will be unstoppable.
How is it the wrong position? He can't handle the ball good enough to play SF. And he's not the shooter he needs to be from that spot. He's better the closer he is to the rim and with the fewer dribbles he has to take. He's not going to be able to simply use his quickness to score like he does at PF. Perimeter SF's in the NBA are better than that and he'll have to get more creative off the bounce to be a full-time SF. Plain and simple.
Yeah but you learn as you play and the less he plays SF, he's never going to learn.
Young is an undersized PF that has the ability to play SF... Young lack of ball handling and his lack range leave alot to be desired if he wants to be a fulltime SF.. I dont see Young averaging 20ppg on a PLAYOFF team.. Any player can average 20ppg in the NBA if he gets enough shot attempts, but the point is to win championship.. On a playoff or championship team Young is best suited playing a Lamar Odom type role...
I didn't question his range, I said he has a good stroke and shows the ability to be a consistent 3 point shooter. His ball handling is the only thing holding him back from being a good perimeter player, this is something that can be fixed and he has a good work ethic. When the sixers did play him at the 3, he played effectively. The main problem was that in conflicted with Iggys game. They are both SF and don't really mesh well together sort of like Jefferson and Love in Minny.
You may not have questioned his range, but I did. He's never even made 1 per game in a season before. If he becomes a truly consistent 3-point shooter I'd be surprised. I think he'll be a mid 30% 3-point shooter, and he doesn't have a true mid-range game. He has alot to improve on as a player, and I think it's going to be hard for him to be a 20 ppg scorer. He's not that kind of scorer to me.
Thad is Nice...He's a good starter or Great 6th man...He could get 20ppg if he gets the 3 point going Ala Rashard Lewis...If he gets a good handle and some court vision he's Lamar Odom...Both of those guys Are All Star Players...That's Two Ceilings for Young...His Basement is what??? Young is as Raw and Better than Lewis at this point...He's a better rebounder than Lamar was early on...LO like to dribble and drive a lot...He had a better handle but Thad was more offensive skilled and better athlete...He can be a fringe all star...If we get a real 3 point shooter(Henry) and banger down low(Cousins) I still think we make the deal for 4th and 16th...Im starting to think we can keep Turner and Just trade Iggy instead...They are said to be the same type of player except Iggy is an ELITE Athlete...and He can also play 3 positions and defends better than Turner...Why wouldn't they bite on Iggy The Money??? Who Are the Wolves Going to sign....