After yesterdays game, has anyone opinions on Burke changed?
I still think he's the best PG in college, but I think at the next level his size, and lack of explosiveness is going to sevrly hurt him, Aaron Craft had Burke rattled for the 3rd time in 4 meetings, and I justdon't know what he can do when Rondo,Westbrook,Bledsoe(top flight PG defensive guards) defend him.
I'm not entirely sure who Tey Burke is...
Nope, opinion hasn't changed. OSU had a great defensive gameplan and they executed it well. They made him give up the ball early, then face guarded to deny him getting it back. How many players get face-guarded in the NBA? Hardly anybody in the NBA plays on-ball defense like Craft and that's because they would have fouls called against them.
OSU's gam eplan was to cut off the head and it worked. If opposing team's play Trey the same way in the NBA, then that would mean that he's good enough to deserve that type of defensive attention.
he basically had 15 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists... and played horrible. If 15 4 and 4 is your worst game of the season, youre pretty good.
And he still brought his team to within 1 shot of winning after being down over 20.
He totally managed the pace of the game (with no post presence), and his wings weren't making shots. He still brought his team back and that's actually amazing.
Trey Burke is a poor man's Kyrie Irving, their numbers are very similar, with a bit less dynamic style. He emulates Chris Paul, but he's nowhere near athletic as Paul. But he's still a very serious player... many teams will regret passing up on him.
I was high on Isaiah Thomas who got picked absolute last. Now he's a starting pg. And Burke is better than Isaiah Thomas.
So to me his floor is Isaiah Thomas - ceiling Kyrie Irving. That's a starting pg for sure.
I'm not happy with the guy's shot selection at the end of the game, dribble dribble dribble pullup contested 3, not a good shot when you're down by 2 with plenty of time left, he did the same thing last year in the tourney when they played Ohio, pull up contested 3. If you're the PG, get a better shot in that situation.
he should have called for a pick or something.
to me his overall prowess overshadows the occasional hero stepback problem.
Still a big fan, he reminds me of Jameer Nelson. He is a playmaker period. He lacks any elite skills or athleticism though, I think that will make him slide come draft time. The League has so many elite PG's in it right now, I don't see him getting picked in the lottery. A lot of teams will regret not picking him up earlier than he'll go in the first round just like with Nelson. I think he has to make half court penetration more a staple of his game but I saw him play as a HSer a few times and I saw how much he has improved. I'm sure I won' t change my stance on him.
Define elite skills.
Trey has an amazing handle, change of speed and direction and he's an advanced PnR player.
He's among the best in country in those areas.
He also still has a 52/39/80 shooting line.
He isn't lacking in skills.
I mean elite gifts like being in the top 1% of the fastest people in the world, like Rose,Wall, Westbrook, CP3, Jennings, Monte Ellis, Rondo etc. Or a tier 1 jump shot like Kyrie or Curry in the entire League. What catergory would he be in the top 8 point guards in the League as a rookie as far as skills. All the top pg's lately have some elite skill or gift. He is a good borderline great player player right now but its often said that at the next level its preferable to have at least one elite ability. That being said I thought Jameer Nelson was a complement. I know once a guy is 28 he is considered washed up now but I thought that was a complement for a college sophomore.
Who knows how he stacks up in terms of skills? He's not in the NBA yet, but he is extremely skilled and isn't lacking in any skill that you would want from a PG.
It's like you're trying to label him as a jack of all trades PG, and while he is good across the board, he is also VERY good in specific areas that I already mentioned in my post above.
You're getting me wrong, I think he should at least be a top 20 pick. He's probably my favorite player on college basketball and I coached a HS Tournament game against him in Columbus a few summer's ago. I love the kid, but I think the elite athletism of Marcus Smart and elite size of MCW will allow a team to justify drafting one of them over Trey Burke. People that make it always say "nobody thought I'd make it" but for him that has some truth, its not just a cliche. Knowing that and the fact he hates that people underestimate him, means I shouldn't call him not elite. The thing is I didn't, I think he is a elite player just not an elite athlete. I prefaced by saying teams will be sorry they passed on him.
That behind the back in transition he has almost qualifies as an elite ability all by itself.
I been a fan and will stay one.
I'm not getting you wrong. You said he lacks elite skills. Elite skills compared to who? NBA players? How could his skills be compared in the spectrum of elite NBA players when he's not even in the league yet? He does however possess specific elite skills at the college level. How those skills stack up alongside NBA players is yet to be seen.
Lacks "A" elite skill or measurable i.e speed, shot, passing, rebounding, vision, height, size, athleticism. I almost do want to say his gamesmanship is a elite skill though. I can clearly see he doesnt have blazing speed.
Ball-handling, change of speed and direction and ability to run PnR are all skills.
Are they not elite skills?
Maybe P and R could be considered an elite skill, haven't seen enough games this year or accessed stats to commit to his ability being elite in that category. Ball handling is a gimme for any sub 6'1 guard. So you are arguing that he is a lottery lock this year pre tourney only halfway in Big Ten play. Undoubtedly a first rounder, but mid lotto lock is a push just yet.
Elite change of speed and direction is not a gimme. JImmy Dykes described it perfectly during a telecast. He calls em "brakes." The ability to stop on a dime, change direction while being on balance to either maintain the dribble, pull up for a jumper and dish the ball off. That's what makes Trey special off the bounce. It's also what makes someone like CP3 special off the bounce. You rarely see CP3 going hundred miles an hour. He's constantly shifting from 20-40, 50-30 back and forth always keeping the defense off balance. That ability to stop on a dime is how guys with that skill create space for either a shot or a passing angle.
And yes Trey is one of the best, if not THE best PG in the nation at running PnR at the college level. He plays at the correct pace, is a threat to pull up if the defender goes under, makes the correct reads according to how the play is defended and he's already advanced at the pocket pass.
No, I don't think he's a lotto lock, but that's where I would take him because of his total package. The ability to run half court offense, speed in the open court, low center of gravity and strength to not get bumped off his lines, his high bball IQ, his leadership skills, his near 4-1 A/T ratio, his 9.4 pure point rating, his 62% TS, ability to take whatever the defense gives him and make shots from every level of the floor, etc.
So the point of the argument which you are clearly fishing for, is that he has elite decision making/leadership complemented by his well rounded game in a sturdy slightly less than 6 foot body. Oh so you agree that Jameer Nelson is a solid comparison. And you agree that the one element that he needs to add is the ability to penetrate in half court sets i.e. the only ability I said he really should look to improve upon to be more successful as a pro. You are preaching to the choir.
Trey is barely 6' and can dunk, his athleticism will be just fine.
I don't think it is about him dunking when we talk about athleticism. It's speed, quickness, strength, leaping ability and first step and probably more. Trey is a very good athlete, probably 8/10 but compared to most starting PG in the NBA today, he lacks stand out athleticism. That doesn't mean he can't make it or be a starter. I think it just limits how could he can be. I also have compared Trey to Jameer Nelson and think that could be his ceiling. Jameer is a one time all star and has been steadily a 15 & 6 guy. Now Trey is probably a better pure PG so like I said, Trey can have a very good NBA career. Just probably not a top 10 PG or all star.
i think he'll be a solid guard in the NBA, nothin groundbreaking, but he will a borderline all-star. he's a very good all-around guard, but he doesnt have any elite skill really even though he is a decent finisher and a nice shooter. he also isnt a standout athlete, he's decent athletically but not ultra athletic