Kind of surprised to see hes dropped so low on the draft board. He is going to be a steal if he is taken anywhere outside of the lottery.
It would be one thing to say "come on Craig", but this is just ridiculous. I like Terrence, but he is a definite tweener in the NBA. He has been rather inconsistent this year and appears to be at his best in the post. Plus, he still has trouble guarding the perimeter, which could cause issues if you use him as a 3.
I think being a top 20 pick at this juncture looks about right and I have even heard rumors he might come back for his junior year. Either way, I might like him a bit more than a few players currently ranked in front of him, but nothing to write a post about with your current screen name. I get the reference, but the meaning of the first word you wrote is not something I want to see on a basketball site.
lol good point ill change it
whats the difference between a tweener and a hybrid forward? you say hes been inconsistant and i agree to a certain degree but there are a few factors to consider. first hes sharing the load with two freshman studs (gilchrist and davis). im sure he returned thinking he would be the best player on the team. though his numbers are down 13 and 6 arent bad stats on this years kentucky team. second doron lamb is one of the best scorer/shooters in college and has silently been there most consitant player(no most exciting or best). third he has not had the luxury of playing with a pass-first pg. knight and teague were/are both scorers trying refine their games in college. unfortunately if he returns it will be the same story with harrow.
he is the 4th best player on the nations best team but probably the most talented overall. i just dont think he should have to pay(in terms of draft stock) for being on a really good team. also darius miller is better than a lot of players currently on the board.
A Hybrid 4 is a good player... I think that is the only difference.. I agree with everything posted on this thread so far. I think on of Jones' problem is that he goes b/t being super passive and trying too hard to be the man. He is best when he plays within the flow of the team and the offense, crashing the boards, playing d, and not forcing shots. The great tournament he played in the begining of last year might have given him too much confidence. That said, he seems passionate, driven, and wants to win... those are good attributes for someone who is either a tweener or a stretch 4.
I would be interested in hearing what scouts think about his mentality, attitude and work ethic. In the NBA he is not going to be able to take shots whenever he feels like it (which he does sometimes at K). Jeff Green was drafted 5th, Marvin Williams was drafted 2nd, these players are close comps in my eyes. Personally, I would put him towards the end of the lottery, but he might slip because teams drafting there might not want to spend time(i think at least a year) converting him to a wing, or may already be good on the position already. If you can pick him up outside of the lottery, he has great value. I am going to say it right now: No way he drops to where he is now unless he suffers a major injury, or some other disaster occurs like an arrest as part in an interstate drug conspiracy...
No I agree with Smokey Terrence Jones has a lot of talent and you'll see his stock soar during the pre draft process because he's going to test better then people realize. Terrence Jones is going to measure a legit 6'9 in shoes and have atleast a 7'1 wingspan and possibly a 8'10 standing reach and he should put up a nice number of reps I'm guessing around 16, those numbers are all legit NBA PF measurements. He's also an underrated leaper his vertical is atleast 36 inches.
Translating to the NBA he reminds me of a Josh Smith/Thad Young hybrid. He brings similar traits to the table tho he don't have Thad's all world quickness (Thad Young may be the quickest forward in the league), or Josh Smith's overall combination of pure power, hops, and court awarenes, I can see him filling similar roles.
I'm not sure on his ceiling but it's potentially extremely high while I think his floor is relatively low. He can do too many things not to make an impact in some form. Also like Josh Smith and Thad Young's game they're numbers fluctuate depending on whose around him. I remenber when Thad averaged 15 ppg in his 2nd season and he was still only 20 I thought he was going to become one of the best scoring forwards in the league. But since he's a team player his numbers went down when the talent around him got better. He's not one of the most efficient and deadliest scoring forwards off the bench in the NBA but if he played for a team like the Bobcats he could be starting putting up around 18ppg.
What's wrong with "c'mon"? Is that a new curse word or something?
It was not always "c'mon". Plus, I think it is hilarious that he changed it to, "c'mon on Craig", lmao. However, his original name was a different way of saying "come" if you catch my drift. It is not something you want to think about on Craig. If you do not get it, than I do not know what to say, but it was not always "c'mon".
@mikeyvthedon i think somebody is a little immature. my name isnt the topic of this post. i wasnt trying to make it a sexual reference but obviously there are children and men that act like children that view this site. now i have a new and improved name. thanks.
ps @truett i think tweener and hybrid mean the same thing pretty much and are just another way of saying "versitile"
Terrence is no longer a black hole on offense which is a good thing. He's a pretty good passer, very strong, and can create his own shot going left.
The problem with all these tools is his motivation and basketball I.Q. in general. He has a knack for taking plays off, and he makes some really dumb decisions from time to time. Also can't shoot free throws to save his life, although that can be improved. My biggest issue with him is the fact that he gets blocked around the rim so much. He has good explosiveness in the open floor but not so much in the half court. He is a true risk/reward pick that could pay off if he gets a coach that will really motivate him.
I dont know if anyones noticed but Terrence Jones doesnt really seem like the most mature player in the world. He could use a couple more years of NCAA basketball to develop himself. He is extremely skilled but he just doesnt always do things right. The way he started off the season he was looking like a National Player of the Year candidate, if he can get back to that sometime during the tournament his stock will dramatically rise but right now he is a borerline lotto pick with a fluctuating stock.
He doesnt seem mature and the facial expressions and pouting he does is weak, very Cutlerish, McNabbish and feminine. That being said I think his stock will soar at workouts and official measuring pre draft. He has legit size and is taller than Sullinger when they stand next to each other. His frame is big and can hold the added muscle. While I think MKG is better, whos knows how his body is going to react to adding 8-12 pounds to becoming a NBA 3. T. Jones has added it and remained fluid. In highschool all star games he would run the point at times and was a great ball handler. His shooting is a given, but he doesnt know how or want to tuck a shoulder and drive to the basket strong ala MKG. This is a worry some trend because he may end up as only a shooter. I think if that trend stays and probably will his peak could be Luol Deng if he is lucky. I personally believe his ceiling is higher if he realizes it, but he wont. Could be Rudy Gay but doesnt have the heart. The teener question only comes into play if he cant guard 3's, if he can. then he has the offensive skill set to be a 3. Question, Is Derrick Williams a better prospect than Terrance Jones? Perry Jones the 3rd is in the same boat, they play like stereotypical European 6'9 to 6'11 prospects, but are athletes who are not the passers they can be and dont like to use there athleticism to dominate.
as ridiculous as it may sound, come measurement time if he's 6'9 rather than 6'8 he'll go a few picks higher. every year you get the "oh wow this guys actually an inch taller than we thought, he must be better than we thought too !"
I'm not completely sold on Jones yet, he's a talent, but he's so inconsistent. If he has a good tournament this could change.
I've been disappointed by him this season, he has nice length and is a good shot blocker because of it, but for a 250 lb guy he doesn't appear to be very strong and he's really not that athletic. That often doesn't matter if a player is a very skilled post guy like Sullinger, but Jones tries too hard to be a 3 in my opinion. I think his future in the NBA is that of a stretch power forward, and I'm not convinced he'll ever be more than a 10-12 ppg 4-5 rpg player at best.
I think he'll be a solid enough NBA player, but I wouldn't take him before 13 or 14 late lotto. I think he'd be a great value pick at 15 or 16, but he kinda reminds me of James Johnson (minus some athleticism) more than anyone, which isn't a terrible thing, but it's not that good either. With a top team like Kentucky, though, his stock could go up if the Cats make a tourney run and he plays at his best during that stretch.
He will struggle bit-time offensively in the NBA. He has no right hand either operating in the post or off the dribble.
I watched Earl Clark play for 3 years at Louisville, and I feel like I'm watching a smaller, more erratic version of Earl in Terrence Jones.
I might be wrong, but I feel like Terrence only really contributes to UK when he is scoring the ball, and if he's not getting touches, you might as well sit him down, because he loses interest.
mickeyV... he does NOT have trouble guarding ANY1 in the perimeter, he can easily switch from guarding a pf to a pg. matter fact he is an elite defender in college and i expect him to be a great defender in the nba.
joewolf... i would agree that he is trying to hard to be a 3 if you said that before the finger injury. he has been playing mostly in the post as of late. also, i would say he is athletic
he is also NOT a stretch/face up 4, as he can barely shoot
Tweener to me means someone who doesn't really have a position in the NBA. Someone who is too slow defensively or even athletically or does not have enough agility to be a three, but not a good enough post play to be a four either. A hybrid on the other hand means that someone is versatile. Has enough agility to be a three yet also has good enough post moves that he can be a four.
Terrance Jones stock could soar with really good workouts during the predraft process, and I expect it too, but he will still probably be picked in the late lottery because of his performance at Kentucky. If played with more energy, and passion, and more maturity than I might see him as a top 10 pick. Since he doesn't I'd say he is more late lottery to mid first round, but no matter what I do think he will be a top 20 pick.
in the open court style in the nba hes going to be a problem i think the thad young comparison is a good one at goergia tech thad spent alot of time trying to be a three then the nba gm loved him as a combo than can be jones
He's a power forward and as mentioned above, I dont believe his talent and potential are very much in question, but his mentality, attitude, and work ethic are. inconsistent and doesnt display the body language of a killer (same with Perry Jones). on the fundamental side, he hasnt shown much I.Q. this is why he is moving down in the boards I believe.
Hey, just was giving context. I stated my opinion and I think a lot of words come (no, pun intended) with negative implications. Have you never seen the Zach Galifianakis "She had a crack baby" versus "She had a crack, baby!" thing? I actually liked the whole "C'mon Craig" thing. I just do not know why it needed to be spelled "c#m" (replace the # with a u). Immature? Yes. But, I guarantee someone would point it out in due time. Just don't like putting that word with Craig. Friday is a wholesome, family film about getting high.
Now, Future_Scout, disagree. Anthony Davis is an elite defender at the college level. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist is an elite defender at the college level. Terrence Jones still struggles against quicker players. I know that the Indiana game was probably the worst I have seen him play since he has been in college, but Christian Watford was taking it to Terrence Jones. Terrence guarding PG's, well, I guess you are watching different Kentucky games than I am.
Terrence Jones puts up defensive stats, that is a given. He also has a nice wingspan and solid athleticism. But, is he a good perimeter defender? I think he is the weakest amongst Kentucky's front court regulars (Davis, MKG, Darius Miller). There is a reason beyond necessity that Jones plays more as a post than a perimeter guy. Jones is versatile, but he has two options of players he likely guards at the next level: guys who are bigger than he is or guys who are faster than he is.
He is a good, not great athlete. If he had a 36 inch vert, I would be shocked. I like him quite a bit, he is a Portland guy who has done really well in college, but to say he is going to be a good defender in the NBA seems like more of a stretch than saying he is elite at the college level. Defense is not just statistics, it is flat out making sure the other player you are guarding has a hard time scoring. Do not think that Terrence is elite at that and I do not know if he will be good at it in the NBA.
mickeyV.... that indiana game was the only game he seemed off defensively... i was already thinking about this game, but this was once. he was playing ole defense and that is why calipari didn't play him at the end of the game.
and what are you talking about, different uk team? no, on certain plays or p&r, the defense has to switch players... hence anthony davis playing in the perimeter sometimes, same case with jones.... its not like he'll start D'ing up on a pg from the get go, C'MON NOW
he can on any given play guard any opposing player on college level, and do it great
Jones will be a very good 6th man type of player but he is mostly just going to be dominant on the defensive end. I can't see him averaging much more than 9 PPG in the NBA, which is why he is going lower in the draft.
I did not mean he will NEVER guard PG's or play on the perimeter. I am just saying, he is not a person I would trust to do that anywhere as well as his front court teammates. I knew what you were talking about, but I disagree. Kentucky's defense this year and last year were anchored by other players. In fact, one of the reasons Terrence's stock slipped was due to his lack of defensive comprehension and the fact he did not always play hard on that end of the floor.
Kentucky's defense is more about swarming opponents than individual defense. In the NBA, this does not work even close to as well with the increased speed and skill of opponents you are facing on a nightly basis. How often do you see Terrence Jones switching on guards and shutting them down? Has he not been slightly bothered by lengthier players? That is what I am saying. People are going to draft Terrence Jones for his versatility as an offensive player and his obvious physical tools, but I do not think his defense is a high point.
If you think that Terrence Jones can guard anybody, that is fine, but I have yet to really see this come into play. That is what I mean by you watching a different Kentucky team. You are saying Terrence is an elite defender that can guard people on any play and do it well. I have not seen that. I know that people get switched on pick and rolls, but you more than likely want people trying to guard certain areas of the floor. Plus, if you wanted anyone that plays in Kentucky's defense to have to guard the perimeter on pick and rolls, Jones would be the last guy. That could speak to the defensive acumen of the team, but I am not thinking that Terrence is a top flight defender.
This could be Calipari being hard on him, but this seems to happen with Terrence at times:
He would be a solid pick in the late lottery to mid-first round. Outside of the top 10 he has as much talent as anyone (maybe even outside of the top 5). Yeah, he may only be a 12-14 point and 8-9 rebounds a game guy (or 10 and 7 on the low side) but he could turn into a decent 4th or 5th scoring option or a solid big guy off the bench.
He seems fairly long and athletic to go along with his talent so if he goes to the right team he should be effective. I don't think he will be a superstar but the difference between him and Sullinger and Thomas Robinson isn't that great in my opinion. T-Rob may have a better motor and aggressiveness but he is not a sure fire all-star either.
He might be the top value pick in the mid-first round. He's a guy that can be your third or fourth big man at worst.
ok, im not basing my idea on stats, as i have watched most uk games. but 2 blocks a game and 1.3 steals is very good, specially since he's been doing it since his rookie year.
"People are going to draft Terrence Jones for his versatility as an offensive player". strongly disagree with that. he is very shaky on offense, doesn't have handles, a jumper, or great post game.
you think terrence is an offensive player, well i think he is a defensive one....