[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 I’m not saying by any means that mcgrady doesn’t deserve to be in the hall but I’m kind of surprised by how fast he was voted in. I thought the injuries and lack of overall playoff success would at least keep him from making it right away. Congrats to T-Mac though. The guy was a beast in his prime and arguably one of the toughest players to guard in NBA history.

I’m not really sure why Webber continues to get snubbed. Sure, he never won a title but that isn’t a requirement for the hall. His numbers and career accomplishments seem to stack up favorably with a number of players who are already in. If he didn’t make it this year, with a relatively weak overall ballot of eligible players, I’m not sure how great his chances will be in the future.

 

[Evan_MilbergParticipant]

Not surprised T-Mac got in this quickly. By HOF standards, there wasn’t a lot of great NBA talent to pick from this year and the Hall needed a respectable headliner for the 2017 class. I think under normal circumstances T-Mac waits 2-3 years. 

I am a little surprised by Webber not getting in during a down year, but I understand the argument against him. In addition to not winning much, he didn’t make a ton of All Star games and his production wasn’t the same after he left Sacramento. Some might view him as a "Hall of Very Good" player.

[HitsterParticipant]

T-Mac scored more career points than CWebb but CWebb had better ppg average, so I make that equal. T-Mac had 7 All Star Games, 8 All NBA Team appearances and 2 scoring titles compared to 5 All NBA Teams and 5 All Star that gives T-Mac advantage. But then you factor in CWebb’s stellar college career and extra longevity so in my book it’s a close call.

I think both belong in the HOF, I’m delighted that T-Mac has gone in and feel Chris deserves to be in too.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

 alot of people have place derrick rose in the class group as t mac..becuz of their history of injuries and say what might’ve been…but mcgrady accomplished so much in a short time..as hitster mentioned t mac had 8 all nba appearances,2 scoring titles and 7 all star gms…..so if u look at t mac’s accomplishments and compare them to rose..right now rose doesnt look like a surefire hof….

[IlladelphParticipant]

 I think you also have to look at McGrady’s overall entertainment factor. He was an exciting hyper athletic player in an era that didn’t have a ton of hyper athletic players.  His playing style, his dunks, his overall acrobatic game was just way more entertaining than the average three or two. Not to mention that his numbers were pretty sick in terms of points scored. I also think he benefited by being a successful  commentator. He’s building a career for himself and I think that does help to get into the hall. Chris Webber on the other hand had a scandalous college career, was a little bit rough as a player. I remember him making the throat slashing gesture a couple times and just generally not being a polished corporate endorsement friendly kind of player. I do think that has some affect in terms of whether a player gets in or not. Voters remember these things.  Personally I loved watching Webber play when he was in Sacramento with white chocolate. I think he’ll get in eventually but his chances get worse every year he is passed over.

[MkadozaParticipant]

 I also think you have to look at apex play verses the best at your position during your time.

C-Webb was never the best power forward in the league, and quite honestly it wasnt close. Malone, Duncan, Garnett and Nowitzki were all better than Webber for almost the entirety of his career. He was the fifth best power forward in the West (I know the context, East had no one, 4 first ballet, legendary, top-6 power forwards of all time. But that leads to him being under appreciated.)

McGrady was a player that had the talent of the best guard in the league. He battled it out with Kobe, PRIME KOBE, and in my opinion McGrady was better for that one rediculous season. For 7 years he was as good as any two guard in the league, and had to carry a terrible Orlando team to mediocrity every night.and while he was healthy in Houston, the best players he played with were Yao, Battier and Skip to my Lou.

 

 

 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 I think you are kind of overrating just how good Webber was at his peak (roughly 1999-2003). For about a five season span he was right there in the conversation for best pf in the league (alongside Duncan, kg, Dirk). To say it wasn’t even close is just not accurate. Consider his 2001 season where he averaged 27.1 ppg, 11.1 rpg, 4.2 apg, 1.3 spg, 1.7 bpg. He made first team all-nba that season, ahead of kg, Dirk, Malone. And his kings teams were consistently among the best in the league during that span as well.

Unfortunately, his career overlapped with some other legendary players at his position who all had longer peaks as elite players and more overall playoff success. Webbers legacy as a player never really recovered from that time out call at Michigan and he never really fully shed the label of a guy that choked in crunch time (whether unfairly or not). If he had led Sacramento to a championship he’s probably a first ballot guy with no questions asked. However, even without a ring, when you look at the career averages of 20.7 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 4.2 apg (despite some down years at the end of his career) and just his overall influence on the game dating back to his fab five days I think he’s got a pretty slam dunk case.

 

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