[markfitz14Participant]

Haven’t Heard much Suns talk. Where do Fans see the team?

  I know it would be hard to trade a player who just injured his knee. But the thought of trying to trade Bledsoe to a team in need of a PG/SG for a draft pick just sticks out to me. Commit to try and find a star in the next couple drafts? Or keep your best player around to keep some steadying force on the team? 

 

 

[juves4783Participant]

ryan mcdonough makes david kahn look like a genius.  he stockpiled pg’s and then offloaded most of them and ended up with 2 combo guards.  but worse, is bledsoe and knight both have huge contracts and are just in the start of them.  they severly overpaid tyson chandler when they already had len.  i don’t think anyone will bite on his contract either.  and then there’s the morris twins’ debacle…

the only way i can see moving bledsoe, knight or chandler is similar to markieff.  take back some shorter, bad contracts, add a role player and a mid-late 1st round pick.  the future is booker and probably warren though but they are both going to overshadowed by bledsoe and knight’s shoot first mentalities.

 

 

    

[juves4783Participant]

ryan mcdonough makes david kahn look like a genius.  he stockpiled pg’s and then offloaded most of them and ended up with 2 combo guards.  but worse, is bledsoe and knight both have huge contracts and are just in the start of them.  they severly overpaid tyson chandler when they already had len.  i don’t think anyone will bite on his contract either.  and then there’s the morris twins’ debacle…

the only way i can see moving bledsoe, knight or chandler is similar to markieff.  take back some shorter, bad contracts, add a role player and a mid-late 1st round pick.  the future is booker and probably warren though but they are both going to overshadowed by bledsoe and knight’s shoot first mentalities.

 

 

    

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 They have nothing, and will be bad for a long time.

Keep Booker and Len, maybe Warren, trade everyone else.

Two or three years of great tanking is the only option.

Maybe keep one of Bledsoe and Knight, whichever one is healthy, if they are ever healthy.

They are like Brooklyn, bad management, but at least they have their own picks.  Should have kept the Lakers pick too.

 

 

 

 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 They have nothing, and will be bad for a long time.

Keep Booker and Len, maybe Warren, trade everyone else.

Two or three years of great tanking is the only option.

Maybe keep one of Bledsoe and Knight, whichever one is healthy, if they are ever healthy.

They are like Brooklyn, bad management, but at least they have their own picks.  Should have kept the Lakers pick too.

 

 

 

 

[ballislyfe25Participant]

Bledsoe is a definite keeper if he comes back healthy. Obivously, a big if.

For all of the strange moves McDonough has made, the Suns have some pretty good young players. His problem isn’t talent evaluation, as it was with David Kahn who was referenced in an earlier post, but his signings and trades that have set the team back.

My keepers would be Bledsoe, Booker, Warren, and Len and I would hold on to Knight for a little. His contract is too high but he gives them versatility. A three guard rotation of Bledsoe/Booker/Knight is formidable and all should be able to share the court in crunch time/turbo lineups. Prior to the draft, one of the talking heads compared Booker to Klay Thompson and his upside and ceiling are obvious. Len is impressive and should be getting around 30mpg this year but Tyson Chandler, who should be on a playoff contender, is eating into those developmental/evaluation minutes. 

[ballislyfe25Participant]

Bledsoe is a definite keeper if he comes back healthy. Obivously, a big if.

For all of the strange moves McDonough has made, the Suns have some pretty good young players. His problem isn’t talent evaluation, as it was with David Kahn who was referenced in an earlier post, but his signings and trades that have set the team back.

My keepers would be Bledsoe, Booker, Warren, and Len and I would hold on to Knight for a little. His contract is too high but he gives them versatility. A three guard rotation of Bledsoe/Booker/Knight is formidable and all should be able to share the court in crunch time/turbo lineups. Prior to the draft, one of the talking heads compared Booker to Klay Thompson and his upside and ceiling are obvious. Len is impressive and should be getting around 30mpg this year but Tyson Chandler, who should be on a playoff contender, is eating into those developmental/evaluation minutes. 

[Stop_basketball_nonsenseParticipant]

 I say trade bledsoe only because of age, he’ll be 27,@,the end of the year versus knight turning 25. By the time the suns compile picks & possibly become average,maybe, I see bledsoe ageing to 30ish, by then he’ll have lost a lot of atheleticism. 

In my opinion the suns should use knight, len & booker as measuring tools to see who they keep

 

[Stop_basketball_nonsenseParticipant]

 I say trade bledsoe only because of age, he’ll be 27,@,the end of the year versus knight turning 25. By the time the suns compile picks & possibly become average,maybe, I see bledsoe ageing to 30ish, by then he’ll have lost a lot of atheleticism. 

In my opinion the suns should use knight, len & booker as measuring tools to see who they keep

 

[IlladelphParticipant]

 I’d keep Goodwin too.  He has improved every year, is only 20 or 21, has extreme athleticism, and can probably be resigned for cheap.  Kid is fearless and is reportedly very coachable.  He is worth extending for a few years.

[IlladelphParticipant]

 I’d keep Goodwin too.  He has improved every year, is only 20 or 21, has extreme athleticism, and can probably be resigned for cheap.  Kid is fearless and is reportedly very coachable.  He is worth extending for a few years.

[mercyman25Participant]

 I’ve been a Suns fan for 30 years with all the ups and downs. The way I see things as present, since Ryan McDonough took over the team. This is a five year plan, year 1 was a fluke false gold. Year 2 reality set in, heads got over-inflated from the previous year. Players thought they were mvps. Year 3 we can finally bottom out. The Suns have some promising youth, some good veterans. The biggest need is a strong coach and a star. I think Booker may be a star in the making, and Bledsoe is close. Maybe we’ll get one in this draft.  Coaching should be number one for next year.

[mercyman25Participant]

 I’ve been a Suns fan for 30 years with all the ups and downs. The way I see things as present, since Ryan McDonough took over the team. This is a five year plan, year 1 was a fluke false gold. Year 2 reality set in, heads got over-inflated from the previous year. Players thought they were mvps. Year 3 we can finally bottom out. The Suns have some promising youth, some good veterans. The biggest need is a strong coach and a star. I think Booker may be a star in the making, and Bledsoe is close. Maybe we’ll get one in this draft.  Coaching should be number one for next year.

[mercyman25Participant]

 I’ve been a Suns fan for 30 years with all the ups and downs. The way I see things as present, since Ryan McDonough took over the team. This is a five year plan, year 1 was a fluke false gold. Year 2 reality set in, heads got over-inflated from the previous year. Players thought they were mvps. Year 3 we can finally bottom out. The Suns have some promising youth, some good veterans. The biggest need is a strong coach and a star. I think Booker may be a star in the making, and Bledsoe is close. Maybe we’ll get one in this draft.  Coaching should be number one for next year.

[mercyman25Participant]

 I’ve been a Suns fan for 30 years with all the ups and downs. The way I see things as present, since Ryan McDonough took over the team. This is a five year plan, year 1 was a fluke false gold. Year 2 reality set in, heads got over-inflated from the previous year. Players thought they were mvps. Year 3 we can finally bottom out. The Suns have some promising youth, some good veterans. The biggest need is a strong coach and a star. I think Booker may be a star in the making, and Bledsoe is close. Maybe we’ll get one in this draft.  Coaching should be number one for next year.

[Hype Machine]

 The fact that Brooklyn can come into their house and lead by 21pts at halftime makes it quite clear that they’ll gladly jockey for draft position at this time of the season. It’s all good…they’ve got some young talent on the books already. 

I’d be surprised if they win more than 2 or 3 games for the rest of the season. A bit of lottery luck, and they’re back in business. 

No need to trade Bledsoe. His value would be rock bottom, and he’s probably going to be slow coming back from injury next season. Chances are they get another high pick, and Bledsoe will be at 100% the following season where they can make another playoff run…hopefully with a couple more good young pieces. 

 

[Hype Machine]

 The fact that Brooklyn can come into their house and lead by 21pts at halftime makes it quite clear that they’ll gladly jockey for draft position at this time of the season. It’s all good…they’ve got some young talent on the books already. 

I’d be surprised if they win more than 2 or 3 games for the rest of the season. A bit of lottery luck, and they’re back in business. 

No need to trade Bledsoe. His value would be rock bottom, and he’s probably going to be slow coming back from injury next season. Chances are they get another high pick, and Bledsoe will be at 100% the following season where they can make another playoff run…hopefully with a couple more good young pieces. 

 

[mamadouParticipant]

My plan would be Bledsoe-Booker-Brown-best "FA/trade/salary dump" PF you can get in the offseason-Len/Chandler….Chandler/Len.

Bench

Knight, lead guard.

Bogdanovic(IQ, facilitator badly needed).

Warren instant offense, efficient offense,

Chandler or Len depends on the starter.

I would keep Tucker(1 year left on his deal) Goodwin for the depth, "3rd stringers".

Then with the 12th, 28th, 33rd pick that’s one maybe two players, gamble on a young big PF(Davis, Diallo, Sabonis ?)and a 3rd string PG(3 and D ala Baldwin/Jackson). 

PG  Bledsoe-Knight(X) or X(Knight).

SG Booker-Bogdanovic-Goodwin(Knight Small ball, Brown strong ball)

SF Brown-Warren/Tucker.

PF X-rated parental advisory (maybe an average starter and a battle between the rookie and Teletovic, the rookie and Leuer for the back up mins).

C Len-Chandler

5 new players Bogdanovic-Brown- 3rd string PG/back up PG(something better than that POS Price, is it possible ?) and 2 PF, an average starter(no big bucks, or long term), a rookie back up with upside.

A facilitator at the 2 behind a great shooter and a dynamic, freak athlete, potential 2 way player at the 3, would help a lot.

There wasn’t any PF this season anyway, if you improve your talent level and depth at PG-SG-SF that’s a 1st step in the right direction.

 

Most important loss of the season, that was the plan…tonight.

2 more wins and the tie breaker secured for the "celts".

 

Bryce Cotton, Orlando Johnson, Lorenzo Brown, jordan McRae, phil pressey, John Jenkins, rocking the 10 day contracts or what, 20th player of the season…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mamadouParticipant]

My plan would be Bledsoe-Booker-Brown-best "FA/trade/salary dump" PF you can get in the offseason-Len/Chandler….Chandler/Len.

Bench

Knight, lead guard.

Bogdanovic(IQ, facilitator badly needed).

Warren instant offense, efficient offense,

Chandler or Len depends on the starter.

I would keep Tucker(1 year left on his deal) Goodwin for the depth, "3rd stringers".

Then with the 12th, 28th, 33rd pick that’s one maybe two players, gamble on a young big PF(Davis, Diallo, Sabonis ?)and a 3rd string PG(3 and D ala Baldwin/Jackson). 

PG  Bledsoe-Knight(X) or X(Knight).

SG Booker-Bogdanovic-Goodwin(Knight Small ball, Brown strong ball)

SF Brown-Warren/Tucker.

PF X-rated parental advisory (maybe an average starter and a battle between the rookie and Teletovic, the rookie and Leuer for the back up mins).

C Len-Chandler

5 new players Bogdanovic-Brown- 3rd string PG/back up PG(something better than that POS Price, is it possible ?) and 2 PF, an average starter(no big bucks, or long term), a rookie back up with upside.

A facilitator at the 2 behind a great shooter and a dynamic, freak athlete, potential 2 way player at the 3, would help a lot.

There wasn’t any PF this season anyway, if you improve your talent level and depth at PG-SG-SF that’s a 1st step in the right direction.

 

Most important loss of the season, that was the plan…tonight.

2 more wins and the tie breaker secured for the "celts".

 

Bryce Cotton, Orlando Johnson, Lorenzo Brown, jordan McRae, phil pressey, John Jenkins, rocking the 10 day contracts or what, 20th player of the season…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mercyman25Participant]

 Anyone got any ideas? I like Luke Walton, but is he the right coach for a young team? He looks good coaching one of, if not the best team out there. What would Like Walton look like coaching a young inexperienced bottom dweller?

[mercyman25Participant]

 Anyone got any ideas? I like Luke Walton, but is he the right coach for a young team? He looks good coaching one of, if not the best team out there. What would Like Walton look like coaching a young inexperienced bottom dweller?

[mercyman25Participant]

 Should also be high on their agenda.

[mamadouParticipant]

No thank you.

He’s a follower, a 3rd option at best.

Brown is not a follower and i’m pretty sure he’ll be a 3rd option…at worst.

 

 

 

  

[mamadouParticipant]

No thank you.

He’s a follower, a 3rd option at best.

Brown is not a follower and i’m pretty sure he’ll be a 3rd option…at worst.

 

 

 

  

[mercyman25Participant]

 Should also be high on their agenda.

[wonzi_bellsParticipant]

McDonough is a walking chutes and ladders. Every time he does something well, he’ll hit you up with something questionable. Nevertheless, nothing moving forward will be crippling for them. They still have cap space moving forward, much like everyone else, and they having lots of draft assets, especially for this year’s draft, even though it doesn’t look so well after the 10th pick. 

The reasoning behind Chandler’s contract was stupid, as if they had a shot at signing LaMarcus Aldridge. But that new television deal makes it not as bad and maybe setting aside the chaos that ensued this year and the fact that this is the franchise with the renown medical staff, Chandler could have a bounce back season for next year and even beyond that and also provide a steady veteran presense, especially for Len.

Bledsoe might be in a strange purgatory state with his injury, so I guess it’s okay to keep Knight right now and since they have a shot at Simmons for this year’s draft and it’ll be point guards gallore in 2017, when they’ll have a clearer picture on Bledsoe’s health, they can hold off for a while about their concerns there.

If they strike gold, their roster could look like this with picking Simmons with the first pick

PG. 1. Bledsoe, 2. Knight 3. Weems

SG. 1. Booker, 2. Luwawu, 3. Goodwin

SF. 1. Tucker, 2. Warren 3. Bogdanovic

PF. 1. Simmons 2. Humphries

C. 1. Len, 2. Chandler

But if not, say the get the second or third pick, they’ll draft Ingram with the second or Brown with the third and take a PF with the Washington pick. And it seems they can’t go beyond the fifth pick, so they could maybe take Dunn or even Murray if the Bledsoe injury is that bad or either wait for Bender as a draft-and-stash or pick Ellenson.

[wonzi_bellsParticipant]

McDonough is a walking chutes and ladders. Every time he does something well, he’ll hit you up with something questionable. Nevertheless, nothing moving forward will be crippling for them. They still have cap space moving forward, much like everyone else, and they having lots of draft assets, especially for this year’s draft, even though it doesn’t look so well after the 10th pick. 

The reasoning behind Chandler’s contract was stupid, as if they had a shot at signing LaMarcus Aldridge. But that new television deal makes it not as bad and maybe setting aside the chaos that ensued this year and the fact that this is the franchise with the renown medical staff, Chandler could have a bounce back season for next year and even beyond that and also provide a steady veteran presense, especially for Len.

Bledsoe might be in a strange purgatory state with his injury, so I guess it’s okay to keep Knight right now and since they have a shot at Simmons for this year’s draft and it’ll be point guards gallore in 2017, when they’ll have a clearer picture on Bledsoe’s health, they can hold off for a while about their concerns there.

If they strike gold, their roster could look like this with picking Simmons with the first pick

PG. 1. Bledsoe, 2. Knight 3. Weems

SG. 1. Booker, 2. Luwawu, 3. Goodwin

SF. 1. Tucker, 2. Warren 3. Bogdanovic

PF. 1. Simmons 2. Humphries

C. 1. Len, 2. Chandler

But if not, say the get the second or third pick, they’ll draft Ingram with the second or Brown with the third and take a PF with the Washington pick. And it seems they can’t go beyond the fifth pick, so they could maybe take Dunn or even Murray if the Bledsoe injury is that bad or either wait for Bender as a draft-and-stash or pick Ellenson.

[reinie13_phxParticipant]

 As a Suns fan it’s nice to see us finally bottom out. It took us loosing our 3 top scorers to do it but I’ll take it. Booker is going to be good, and he’ll be even better if we can get him some scoring on the wing. Brown, or Ingram. We will end up trading knight sometime, probably this offseason. Keep Bledsoe keep Booker and keep Len. I love Archie, he really comes off the bench and sets a different pace for the game. I think with him and Warren coming off the bench that would give the bench a good one two punch. Who we draft will depend on who we do or do not sign in free agency and also a deal on draft day. We have picks young players and cap space. What’s not to be excited about? 

[reinie13_phxParticipant]

 As a Suns fan it’s nice to see us finally bottom out. It took us loosing our 3 top scorers to do it but I’ll take it. Booker is going to be good, and he’ll be even better if we can get him some scoring on the wing. Brown, or Ingram. We will end up trading knight sometime, probably this offseason. Keep Bledsoe keep Booker and keep Len. I love Archie, he really comes off the bench and sets a different pace for the game. I think with him and Warren coming off the bench that would give the bench a good one two punch. Who we draft will depend on who we do or do not sign in free agency and also a deal on draft day. We have picks young players and cap space. What’s not to be excited about? 

[HitsterParticipant]

 As a Suns fan of several years, we seem to be back to a level far worse than I can remember, the bounce in 2013-14 now looks like a blip in the post Nash/STAT era. The trade for Knight now doesn’t look so good as we would have been sitting on another possible very high pick from the Lakers depending on where the lottery balls end.

Still we currently own 3rd,12th and 28th pick. If these picks stay the same then with 3rd pick I’d likely take Bender or Brown. Kris Dunn looks a good prospect but the Suns have too many PG’s already. I’d look to package 12th and 28th to try to move inside top 10 if possible although the likes of Denver, Celtics, Philly and Toronto all have two first rounders or more this year so lots of deals could be on the table for teams looking to do draft deals.

I’d try to move Tyson Chandler to give Alex Len the starting C role. Tyson is an excellent pro and hasn’t done much wrong for Phoenix but at this stage of his career he deserves to be on a contender and with the cap going up, I think a few contending teams would consider him as a defensive anchor. I know he has 3 years left on his deal but if they could getv a couple of decent years out of him, he’d have expiring contract value in the final year and also if used as a pure defensive big he’d still be effective in a few years time.

I wouldn’t overpay for a free agent for the sake of it, the very top guys will go to legit contenders and no-one in the next group down really jumps out as a good fit for the Suns at this moment. So I’d build via the draft especially if we don’t luck on a top 3 pick this year. Even if the Suns struggle next year they will have some nice talent added in this years draft and have a shot at Josh Jackson, Giles or Tatum in 2017.

 

 

 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 As a Suns fan of several years, we seem to be back to a level far worse than I can remember, the bounce in 2013-14 now looks like a blip in the post Nash/STAT era. The trade for Knight now doesn’t look so good as we would have been sitting on another possible very high pick from the Lakers depending on where the lottery balls end.

Still we currently own 3rd,12th and 28th pick. If these picks stay the same then with 3rd pick I’d likely take Bender or Brown. Kris Dunn looks a good prospect but the Suns have too many PG’s already. I’d look to package 12th and 28th to try to move inside top 10 if possible although the likes of Denver, Celtics, Philly and Toronto all have two first rounders or more this year so lots of deals could be on the table for teams looking to do draft deals.

I’d try to move Tyson Chandler to give Alex Len the starting C role. Tyson is an excellent pro and hasn’t done much wrong for Phoenix but at this stage of his career he deserves to be on a contender and with the cap going up, I think a few contending teams would consider him as a defensive anchor. I know he has 3 years left on his deal but if they could getv a couple of decent years out of him, he’d have expiring contract value in the final year and also if used as a pure defensive big he’d still be effective in a few years time.

I wouldn’t overpay for a free agent for the sake of it, the very top guys will go to legit contenders and no-one in the next group down really jumps out as a good fit for the Suns at this moment. So I’d build via the draft especially if we don’t luck on a top 3 pick this year. Even if the Suns struggle next year they will have some nice talent added in this years draft and have a shot at Josh Jackson, Giles or Tatum in 2017.

 

 

 

 

 

[KIP BallerParticipant]

 Like others, I think their is some potential for a bright future even though times are rough now. Nice young pieces in Booker, Len, Warren. Lots of draft picks with some potential high ones over the next few years from tanking. Some veteran players that have decent trade value in Bledsoe, Knight, and Chandler. And some developing assets like Bogdonovic and Goodwin who may be pieces for the future. With Spurs, Warriors, Thunder and Cavs looking to run the NBA for the next few years, it is not a bad time to completely rebuild. I would much rather be the Suns than aa number of playoffs teams that are stuck in the 5-8 seed range that dont have a chance at winning a championship over the next 5 years.

[KIP BallerParticipant]

 Like others, I think their is some potential for a bright future even though times are rough now. Nice young pieces in Booker, Len, Warren. Lots of draft picks with some potential high ones over the next few years from tanking. Some veteran players that have decent trade value in Bledsoe, Knight, and Chandler. And some developing assets like Bogdonovic and Goodwin who may be pieces for the future. With Spurs, Warriors, Thunder and Cavs looking to run the NBA for the next few years, it is not a bad time to completely rebuild. I would much rather be the Suns than aa number of playoffs teams that are stuck in the 5-8 seed range that dont have a chance at winning a championship over the next 5 years.

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