Steven Adams=Andre Drummond
The more I've been thinking about it, Steven Adams is reminding me a lot of Andre Drummond as a prospect. Both were extremely raw, but with fantastic size and physical gifts coming out of college. They were both 5 star recruits who had some trouble adjusting to the Big East as freshmen, but still showed flashes of brilliance. Both tore it up at the combine and were much more prepared to contribute defensively and on the boards as rookies than on the offensive end.
I realize that comparing a white guy to a black guy is unfathomable to some people out there, but the similarities in their games and situations is undeniable.
"I realize that comparing a white guy to a black guy is unfathomable to some people out there, but the similarities in their games and situations is undeniable'
Great post. Thumbs up. I really like the similarities. I would just say that I don't think Adams has quite the athletic-physical gift ceiling that Drummond has.... on the other hand, it's highly likely that he'll double Drummonds free throw percentage!
I saw a better Offensive game coming out from Drummond than Adams, I see the similarities but I think Drummond was much better coming out also, a little less raw.
I definitely agree that Drummond had a slightly better offensive game coming out, however, Adams shows much more promise with his jumper and has been playing basketball for even less time, so I think the offensive potential is pretty significant.
They are similar in the fact that they are both raw big men coming out with limited experience and spectacular athleticism. Drummond was more athletic in my opinion and also has a better feel for the game. I think Adams could develop into a good starting center but he doesn't have close to the ceiling that Drummond has.
Couldn't agree more
Drummond's definitely more athletic. He could very well be the best physical specimen since LeBron given his level of athleticism for a guy with his sheer mass and size.
I'd say Adams has a better feel for the big man game though. He plays more physically, does a better job doing stuff like boxing out, fighting for position, setting big screens and sealing help defenders. In college, Drummond did a lot of standing around, ball-watching and doing nothing. It was also kinda sad to see a kid with his natural size and strength allow himself to get pushed off the block by guys he had 30-40 lbs on. He did the same thing in HS where you'd often find him playing in space and not even bothering to try to post up.
Both are equally raw offensively with a poor feel with their back to the basket. Neither have good footwork or know how to create space using their body. Both are decent passers though. Drummond is pretty much just a dunker and O-rebounder. He's more aggressive trying to dunk around the rim. Adams sometimes tries to quick shoot the ball to avoid getting fouled and sent to the line. Drummond makes more spectacular plays, looking for highlight dunks and blocks. Adams seems perfectly fine laying the ball in or walling off a driver so he can bother the shot while maintaining rebounding position. Adams does a better job not leaving his feet if he doesn't have to. He needs to be more aggressive around the rim though on offense. That quick shot stuff won't fly in the NBA. Both have huge mitts, but I'd say that Drummond has the softer hands. Adams has the better looking stroke. Drummond just can't shoot, has poor touch around the rim and is currently shooting for mechanics, while the ball looks like it has no chance of going in.
Overall, despite his lesser experience I think Adams does a few more things more fundamentally sound than Drummond does while also playing a more physical brand of basketball, but Drummond has that otherworldly athleticism that allows him to do certain things that nobody else can.
I've been comparing them for quite awhile now because Adams situation at Pitt reminded me so much of Drummonds situation at UCONN where you had a guard oriented team that just didn't look to get there big guy involved. Had Pitt looked to get Adams involved more he would of been a force as a fresh but they didn't.
I believe if Adams went to a smaller school that let him take shots and be the star, he could have been, and would be in the top 3 discussions.
Adams is an inch taller than Drummond measured without shoes which I found interesting.
Adams is half-tongan so his strength definitely comes from his tongan side
His dad was a massive human being. All his siblings (from 5 different mothers) are huge and they all had one thing in common, their dad .
Adams won the genetic lottery from both ends.
I can see the team drafting him, and letting Andrew Bynum walk away in July, It would give them that much needed defender on the weak side, saving the money on Bynum could allow them to chase Al Jefferson and OJ Mayo, I want them to keep Dorrell Wright too as the 3 and D Sf...
It wouldn't be a terrible pick because he does have good defensive potential and the Sixers haven't had a shot blocker since Samuel Dalembert. He would also be a project so it would be highly unlikely he would help the team much next season. Depending on how you look at it that could be a good thing since next year will be one of the most talent filled drafts in recent memory.
I think the Sixers really need too much help scoring to pass on a player like KCP or CJ McCollum in favor or a big guy who won't be a big factor for a couple years..and even when he does become a factor he will still be limited offensively.
i do see some similarities but i feel drummond is way more naturally gifted, not just athletically but his feel for the game.
adams could certainly develop into a solid player however.
He's not white. He's half like Obama. Adams is Polynesian. Like Junior Seau, Troy Polomalu, The Rock, Haloti N'gata. N'gata is that 350 lbs lineman who moves like a cat and ran down RGIII from behind and knocked RGIII and his knee out of the game.
To have that combination of Polynesian power and athleticism is gonna be scary when his body fills out.
Adams is athletically blessed but has no clue whatsoever what is happening on the court. His season at Pitt was very, very bad. As for Drummond he has no clue, his season at Uconn was bad, athletically and natural talent are off the charts, he is an absolute physical specimen. So you can not compare Drummond and Adams, not at all really. By the way I cant see Adams as productive NBA player.
This years Meyers Leonard
A couple of things that Adams has that Meyers doesn't is lateral quickness and lower body strength. Meyers will never be good defensively if his awareness doesn't improve drastically, because he is lacking lateral quickness and ability to change direction quickly. As shredded as Meyers looks, he's very top heavy. He actually had decent skill in the post, better than advertised, but his problem in the post on both ends of the floor is that he lacks the lower body strength to establish and hold position.
Adams doesnt even come close to Drummond in terms of size and athleticism. Drummond is 1 inch shorter than Adams but he's 35lbs stronger, and is significantly longer and a freak athlete. THe Steven Adams- Meyers Leonard comparison is more accurate.
They are similar in a way, yet at the same time I do not think that the Drummond comparison is completely accurate. Drummond is much quicker laterally and I find to be a much freakier athlete, especially considering he weighed in at 25 more pounds during the combine last year. Also, while Drummond was a tad raw, he had even more of an idea of what he was doing compared to Adams, particularly on the offensive end, where he used this quickness to get far more garbage baskets near the hoop.
Adams rise is not surprising to me, he simply has so much more potential to be a viable starting center than nearly all of his draft counterparts, save possibly Alex Len (if you are talking "true centers"). The issue with Adams is, much like people believed with Drummond, is his head in the game? How is his focus and is he willing to put in the time to learn to utilize his physical tools? With Adams, these question marks loom even larger than they did for Andre Drummond, who had a lot more flashes of putting things together, plus some standout match-ups against legitimate big men (Bernard James, Kevin Jones, Henry Sims, 3x versus Fab Melo).
This is why I believe that Andre Drummond>Steven Adams by a nice margin. If Andre had stayed for his sophomore season (with all indication that not doing so was the right move, as he got into a good scenario in Detroit), I think he would be the odds on favorite for #1 pick in the draft. I see very little reason to be more happy with Nerlens Noel as a prospect compared to Drummond. Also, as someone mentioned, Steven Adams is Polynesian (Tongan descent if you want to get specific).
It is not a race thing that makes the comparison a tad off, it is that Drummond is faster and I think has a much higher ceiling due to this factor along with increased size on Adams. Many may feel Adams has a higher upside, he may, just feel that Tiago Splitter or Samuel Dalembert may be more accurate. Drummond I see as a better rebounding version of Nene, or a more offensively viable Tyson Chandler due to his crazy quickness, build at the center spot. Adams offense worries me a tad more than Drummond, whose body and athleticism I believe transfers better to the NBA. Both solid center prospects with fantastic physical gifts, just do not think they are equal as prospects.
Just goes to show you what sheep these NBA GMs are. Drummond should have been a much higher pick, it was obvious he was going to thrive in the NBA, but alot of NBA GMs don't use logic. Just like this year with keeping the injury prone, anorexic, one dimensional Nerlen Noels at #1.
They are kinda similar, but Drummond is a more explosive athlete and his offensive upside > Adams' offensive upside
I like adams and think he will be a very good big in a few year, but there is a reason Drummond was once considered to be a number 1 pick and adams never was. adams is not gonna come close to what Drummond will be in my opinion. adams has the potential to be a good center while Drummond has the potential to be an elite center and quite possibly the best center in the nba soon. theres a big difference between the two.
I think it's a fair comparison but I think Drummond is going to end up being probably at least a tier above Adams as a player.
Drummond was bigger, stronger, more athletic, had better hands and balance, a more developed feel for the game, was a better rebounder, shot blocker, better finisher, and actually made more shots when not immediately at the rim than Adams.
Also, as to the "had some trouble adjusting to the Big East as freshmen," Drummond was 6th in rebounding, 4th in offensive rebounding, 10th in field goal percentage, and 3rd in blocks. Drummond did not produce to the level of unreal expectations, but he was very productive for a freshman big man in the Big East. Adams was 16th in rebounds, 7th in offensive rebounds, and 4th in blocked shots. A 10.6/8.3/2.6 line is not the same as 6.8/6.2/2.1.
This is true.
He also was never fed in the post. And I find it hard to grade some guys when teams are as dysfunctional as that Uconn team was.
But the bottom line is Drummond is a man-child. The dude is simply huge. There's just no way that you can compare the 2 except for the fact that both are raw offensively. that's about when it begins and ends.
UConn did get Drummond post touches. With the exception of a few games here and there, he wasn't particularly effective. He didn't get as many dump offs and easy ones. It was a large reason why his shooting percentage so much higher as a rookie in the NBA than at UConn. With the Pistons, it was overwhelmingly put backs, lobs, and dump offs. His size, balance, and hands went a long way, which allowed his flaws to be masked. Detroit had a bad enough offense, they didn't need Drummond's raw post game to make it even worse, but just because we didn't see it that it was somehow not as bad. Adams got fewer touches away from the rim, and his percentages were low because, in addition to not having the most touch away from the rim, he also missed a lot of layups, which is really concerning.
Drummond played 29 minutes a game while Adams played 23 minutes a game. Pitt had a much deeper rotation, playing 10 guys double digit minutes, rotating 4 in the front court.
Normalize their minutes and their production looks much more similar. Not only did Drummond play more minutes, he had the the higher usage rate.
per 36, pace adjusted:
Drummond 13/10/3.6 on 54FG% 51TS% 20.8% USG 21.7 PER 103 ORtng 96 DRtng
Adams 12/11/3.4 on 57FG% 56TS% 17.6% USG 23.3 PER 113 ORtng 87 DRtng
I can see where you're coming from but Adams is nowhere near as talented or athletic as Drummond.
They did not give Drummond a lot of chances.
He also missed quite a few alley oops because he was focused more on the force of the dunk than actually making it. But they rarely dumped it into him on an iso on the post .