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Steroids

Given all the crap going on with baseball (and lets be real, more than likely it's a problem in the NFL as well) and steroids (most recently the Roger Clemens mistrial), I'm just curious as to what people think about steroids in basketball. Does anybody think that they may be a problem in the NBA? I'm not trying to pick one side or another, I'm just curious as to what people think about this.


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Steroids shrink your cock and

Steroids shrink your cock and might make you sterile, IMO shouldn't touch things with such side effects.

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I'm sure a lot of guys are

I'm sure a lot of guys are taking all sorts of suppliments, but I'd assume most of them are legal. There might be a few exceptions, but when the average size for a player is about 6'7'' 220lbs I wouldn't think that would indicate a big problem with steroids, which normally tack on 10's of pounds of muscle.

I've been lifting weights for over 15 years and although I've never done steroids or gotten into suppliments, I've done research on their effects and from watching tons of NBA basketball and seeing how most players look, I wouldn't think its a big problem at all.

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Just looking at bikers you

Just looking at bikers you really wouldnt guess there would be a big juicing issue but its one of the worst. Steroids are also used for recovering from injuries. How else does Clemens turn 40 THEN become the greatest pitcher of all time. I really wouldnt doubt it anymore if most athletes including nba players have used PEDs at some point.

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^Yes cyclists do use anabolic

^Yes cyclists do use anabolic steroids but more of a concern in that sport is blood doping... This is where an individual will have blood removed from their body and have new blood (that has been resting in a hyperbolic chamber) filtered back in through dialysis...This gives the athlete a more highly enriched oxygenated blood count thus increasing their levels of endurance and decreasing lactic acid build up

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I am 14 and 6'1, when I play

I am 14 and 6'1, when I play with the old guys at the gym, I look like toothpick, and those guys most likely are not on steroids.

You look at guys like Anothony Randolph and Davis when he gets in the league, and bigs like Tyson Chandler, those guys are skinny. Lebron has obviously hit the weights, and guys like Eddy Curry and Baron Davis wouldn't do steroids cause it would take time out of their day, when They could be eating a precious ice cream sundae. So while guys might do a bunch of other supplements, and sh!t, I doubt steroids.

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I started wondering if people

I started wondering if people in the NBA use steroids when LeBron came in the league.

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Good points

I don't think it's a huge problem in basketball either, a lot of those guys look pretty skinny for their size. I busted a lawl when Rashard Lewis got busted though...that was like the person I'd least suspect to be using something.

If anyone were to be doping, LeBron would be my prime suspect. He's a frickin' tank- he has more muscle than most centers in the league, lol. That said, I believe LeBron is just a complete freak of nature, once-in-a-generation athlete. Not a steroid user. I can't really think of any other basketball players that'd use them. In basketball, having a ton of muscle isn't necessarily as much of a benefit as it is for, say, football and baseball players.

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I'd bet Lebron is using

I'd bet Lebron is using suppliments, but I doubt he's using steroids. I've seen videos of him lifting weights and nothing there seems fishy, it's not like he's benching 400lbs or anything. He's just a naturally muscled guy with great definition, even at 16 he was ripped and someone on a weight training routine paired with the body naturally filling out (for most people in the late teens or early 20's) you're gonna get big. If you're workout out every day and eating right you can put on a lot of natural muscle in a matter of a couple months.

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Teach me how to get stronger

Teach me how to get stronger Joe, I feel Yi Jainlan when I am out there.

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There are probably lots of

There are probably lots of players using supplements and stuff, but i don't think there are many using steriods. Adding tons of muscle would slow alot of players down*cough* lebron *cough*, and in a game like basketball, speed is very important. I don't think there will ever be a problem with steriods in the NBA.

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because of what went on with

because of what went on with baseball I feel that all athletes get a cloud of suspicion cast over them. peds are not just for building muscle but as an aid in recovery after an intense workout. I know as a runner one of the greatest limiting factors is recovering from an intense workout and being able to string workouts together. As I stated in a different topic I think it is very interesting to go back and watch NBA games from before the baseball steriod era and look at the body types and compare those bodies to the NBA players today. I think it is unrealistic to think that only baseball players were using steriods.

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aamir543, I feel ya, I was a

aamir543, I feel ya, I was a skinny kid growing up. I was listed at 6' 125lbs on my freshman football program, lol. My best advice is to hit the weights, a lot of people neglect their core and just do a bunch of curls, but really the core is where you get most of your power. If you have big biceps your still gonna get knocked around in the paint, but if you have a strong core that's when you're gonna be able to stand your ground.

Research proper form and don't try to jump in with too much weight, so you don't hurt yourself, and do squat, press and bench exercises paired with chin ups, pushups and dips to get a good base. When starting out you really don't need much more. Then when you increase your strength and get a good foundation then add more advanced lifts like hang clean, more arm exerceises etc.

That's the best advice I can give you, I'm not a trainer but just from personal experience, I doubled my bench press in high school from 110 as a frosh to 220 as a sr and increased my weight from 125 at 6' as a freshman in HS to 155 at 6'2'' as a senior in HS ( now I'm about 180)and kept going up in those and my other lifts even more because I kept working out.

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Oh, well im around 6'0-6'1,

Oh, well im around 6'0-6'1, 14 years old 155. So, to improve my core, would I be better off doing sit ups and stuff of that sort?

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Steroids in the NBA

Truth be told, I'm not sure the extent of steroids in the NBA, but here's some evidence.

Derrick Rose said in May of 2011 that he thought the NBA had a problem with steroids, on a 1-10 scale, at a 7. -That's a pretty significant claim.

Furthermore, (past and present) players such as Don McClean, Matt Geiger, Soumaila Samake, and Rashard Lewis have gotten busted.

To be honest, I think steroid use is prevalent in the NBA, but maybe not to the extent that Rose recently implied.

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@joe

Im pretty skinny too(6-1/6-2 and 155-160 lbs) and i just started lifting wieghts at my gym. How much should I lift to start off?

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Sit ups, leg lifts, push ups

Sit ups, leg lifts, push ups ( your core is flexed to keep your body horizontal) and squat and press exercises work your core a lot too and bench press works out your upper core, same with chin ups.

Thats what I mean by core, not only your torso, but a strong base on which you can build strength.

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Yeah I would also like to know, I can barely lift 60.

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I am a certified strength and

I am a certified strength and conditioning coach and have worked with many high school, D-1 college and even some professional athletes. Just eat right and lay off the junk food. Stick to your chicken, fish, and lean meats along with a good amount of raw fruits and vegetables. At 14 I would stick to doing push-ups, pull-ups, and body weight squats. Don't load up on the weights yet in order to reduce the risk of stunting your growth. You'll grow into your body throughout high school and you'll be fine, just be grateful that God blessed you with a fast metabolism and you don't have to worry about fighting obesity like most Americans.

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@Mjholmes17, I'd say start

@Mjholmes17, I'd say start low and get your form correct. Once you feel comfortable with the range of motion and proper technique then gradually add weight. Everyone has a different level of natural strength they have before ever touching a weight so it varies even if you have the same body weight as someone else.

My best advice is don't go too heavy too soon to try to look cool, learning proper form and knowing your limit will keep you from getting hurt when you're first starting out.

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@mjholmes, dude, you have a

@mjholmes, dude, you have a 28 inch vert.! Mine is like 20.

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ya not as of now cuz I blew

ya not as of now cuz I blew out my knee this spring :)

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Now on to the steroid issue..

Steroids don't make your cock small or anything like that it's that you have too much testosterone that your body stops producing it on its own so when you stop taking them you're body doesn't know how to naturally produce enough of it. My mom always says LeBron must be on steroids and I always get in arguments over it because he's just born that way and most of these guys are. And most of these guys have large frames but also have low percent body fat that makes the look so ripped. (i.e. Russell Westbrook) Steroids don't help you in any functional sports movements, and since basketball is based off of agility speed and quickness more than brute strength, not to mention a skill set that is acquired over years, I don't see it being an issue or ever being an issue. Also the bikers were doping using erythropoietin (EPO) which helps with red blood cell counts to help with oxygen consumption and distribution through out the body, not anabolic (muscle building) steroids, as far as we know at least.

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thanks for the advice joe. I

thanks for the advice joe. I don't men to bombard you with questions but you seem smart and i'm curios, is it possibe to stunt your growth?

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by lifting i mean

by lifting i mean

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mjholmes

Na, it's cool man, no worries, I don't want to take up too much more of this thread, as far as stunting your growth it's not something I can really say with much certaintly, but if you're in high school it shouldn't (to my knowledge) I've heard if you start when you're really young like 11 or 12 it can. Again, I'd do some research on that it's not something I know for certain.

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@Chilbert, I agree with you

@Chilbert, I agree with you on Lebron. Like I said earlier he just has a natural muscular physique, here is an article about him and lifting that I remembered reading a few years ago in SI.

Here is the link for anyone interested.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1151216/index...

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^ I dont mean to barge into

^ I dont mean to barge into the conversation but I want to say something about weight lifting....Bench press, curls etc are great to build muscle and "look larger" they are very much the visually appealing type of lifting..but if you guys are serious about getting faster, stronger etc you need to start olympic weight lifting...Yes you guys might think im crazy but this is truly the future of athletic enhancement...Learning proper techniques of the snatch and the clean and jerk...... implementing them into your training regime will show greater progression in your leaping ability and overall athleticsicm...IT makes you far more explosive then what conventional lifting can.... We had a course on this in my kiniesology program called advancements in physical and health education (It was taught by a guy who coached olympic athletes) and this is all coming from that course....BEst part about it is that it has very little load on the joints and athletes with no knees (multiple knee surgeries) can still lift with ease....Gsp uses olympic lifting, and many minor league pitchers who have said they can add about 5mph to a fastball in 6 months...Sorry about the long post but you guys should really look into it....

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Is it true that all your

Is it true that all your leaping ability comes from your abs? Because the Air Up There says it in this video.

Skip to 2:23 to see it. He says you're not supposed to work on your legs and you're supposed to work on your abs to gain leaping ability.

If this true, that means I've been doing it wrong the whole time. DAMN!

But I trust AUT's opinion more than anyone else's because he's the best dunker in the world.

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@MCRIZZ

^ You're totally right, hang clean and snatch did wonders for my vertical and explosiveness, but those are not beginner lifts. Unless you have a coach to teach you the right form they can be dangerous lifts for beginners. I had a great weight coach in high school that taught us proper technique for hang clean and then after a year or so we added snatch, but IMO you need to learn proper technique and NEED a spotter when using those. I still do hang clean, snatch and push press to this day, but it's not a good idea for beginners UNLESS they have the proper resources.

@WizardofOZ, It's a big part of your vertical, but it's not the whole deal. Strong legs help too, most power lifters have verticals of over 40'' because their legs are so strong...You need both

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^ O I completely agree, I was

^ O I completely agree, I was saying that if they were truly serious they would look into the sport first...You dont want to be doing it without knowing what to do but doing some backward chaining models to progress and learn the techniques and getting better flexibility becomes very key.....Some regimes and coaches will probably take about 4 months maybe even longer before you put any weight on the bar at all, you need to get the technique down using just the bar and making sure you have someone there who can help inspect your form as you lift...I may still have some papers I could photocopy for you guys if you're interested

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^ Totally, when we were

^ Totally, when we were learning Olympic lifts our coach made us master the form with broom handles before we could even use a 45lb bar that we were all capable of lifting.

I guess this just brings up another point for anyone interested in starting to lift, is utilize your resources while you're in high school. I took strength and conditioning every semester as an elective for all 4 years and learned all the Olympic lifts under the supervision of knowledgable coaches and had other lifters who knew what they were doing spotting.

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If you're looking to get a

If you're looking to get a better vert you really should look into some ncaa men's volleyball workouts and plyometrics stuff. I have a buddy from my club team with a 42" vert and he's 6'8". Just went full ride to UC irvine

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I'm friends with the head

I'm friends with the head strength coach at UCI, he always says it takes a year or so to full understand Olympic lifts.

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Im a little late to thread,

Im a little late to thread, but I don't think players take steriods or anything illegal because it would probably be picked up quick by teams, also considering all steriods do is bloat your muscles with water and doesn't give you actual strength(unless you use it right, which athletes never do) i doubt players use them but you never know.

As for people on here asking how to gain muscle, I was told that you can gain an average pf 6 lbs of muscle a year your first year and avg of 3 after each year. now some people exceed that obviously but thats also because they workout with advanced equipment and trainers. I am fairly skinny im 18 about 5'11 120 lbs but I gained some muscle pretty quick. heres my workout if anyone is interested(everyone is different so what works for me might not work for you and vice versa).

start with

50 pushups(gradually increase by week, maybe to 75,100,125,etc) everyday

50 situps(same as above increase by week) everyday

Free weights(everyother day)- low starting weight(mine was 10 lbs since i never lifted before) 3 sets of 10 reps. know as you increase weight(whenever you feel ready) increase by 5 pounds increments and you can also alter to 1 set of 10 reps,1 set of 7 reps, and 1 set of 3 reps as reach high weights

Shrugs with weights(everyother day)3 sets of 10 reps

Tricep dips(everyday no weights)- 3sets of 10 reps

People workout for hours thinking they gain weight but in reality everything after an hour of working out is useless and waste of time and energy so try to finish it in that time frame

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Nutrition is the most

Nutrition is the most important part of lifting, because you can go lift all you want but if you put crap (or hardly anything) into your body you will get minimal results.

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