[Lebron’s HairlineParticipant]

Derrick rose is reportedly out until March 2013, and it will be unlikely he will play next season. This explains why the bulls have been shedding salary, they know they won’t compete without drose so they’re tanking

[draft2017Participant]

wheres the link that shows that hes out until then

[220Participant]

I don’t have a link, but I’ve seen the same information as well. Rose is expected to be out until March and at that point they’ll just hold him out the remainder of the year. That’s the report now, maybe he’ll recover faster, but regardless he’ll be out the majority of this season.

[HaleParticipant]

That’s a bit disappointing to hear, I can’t wait until he comes back. The Bulls tanking is pretty much the logical move so I can’t be too disappointed in it. Shabazz or Poythress would be an awesome addition.

[rwd5035Participant]

The Bulls under Thibodeau will not tank. They will battle, and work hard. Rose may come back in March ’13, but he won’t be back to full strength probably until 2013-14.

They won’t be as good next season, but they’ll still be a strong defensive unit, they’ll still bust their ass, and they’ll find ways to win games. It’s what they do.

[JustaFanParticipant]

Totally agree, Thibs just isn’t the type of coach or guy who strikes me as one to encourage or tolerate losing for any reason.

[doubledribblerParticipant]

The Bulls are not going to tank. I’m not sure they could tank if they wanted to. The east is too weak and they have too many guys that go out to compete and work hard. If anything, I think they have been making the same moves they would have likely made if Rose was healthy. Personally, I wish they had tried to use this season to take some gambles and find a way to move some bigger contracts, but it is what it is. No Thibs coached team is going to lay down. In a way it’s sad, because I think it’s one of the few teams that could have positioned itself to rebuild on the fly while Rose was out.

[220Participant]

The Bulls won’t tank I agree, but they aren’t in a great spot right now.

The thought is Deng needs wrist surgery, but he insisted in playing in the Olympics. If Deng ends up needing surgery and he has it after the Olympics the team is hopeful he’ll be back by January.

I haven’t heard any updates on Joakim Noah’s ankle, but it was bad enough that he isn’t playing in the Olympics. Hopefully this doesn’t turn into a nagging ankle injury that eventually needs surgery since the Bulls aren’t likely to match Asik’s offer sheet with the poison pill.

We already know Rose will be out.

If Rose, Deng, and Noah all miss a good amount of time, this year will be the toughest for Coach Thibodeau as a head coach. The Bulls have dealt Korver, Brewer, and are likely to lose Asik. With Korver and Brewer gone Jimmy Butler will have the oppportunity to earn some big minutes. The only additions the Bulls have made right now are Vlad Radmanovic and Marquis Teague and it appears that they will be adding Nazr Mohammed. It could be a tough one for Chicago.

[220Participant]

The Bulls dealt Korver, Brewer isn’t expected to be re-signed and it appears the same is true with Asik due to the poison pill offer sheet.

The Bulls also added Kirk Hinrich which should help

[Lebron’s HairlineParticipant]

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/23/report-derrick-rose-out-until-likely-march-bulls-close-to-belinelli-deal/ here’s a link, it will be tough for the bulls to compete due to their lack of depth and basically every other eastern conference contender got significantly better, they will still make it as a lower seed 7th or 8th. I’m a drose fan and this sucks that he’s out

[terrancebowerParticipant]

 The Bulls might desparately need Rose, but they’re still a pretty good team without him. Even if Loul Deng misses a month or two and if Asik goes to the rockets they’re still a playoff team with Boozer, Noah, Deng, Hamilton, Gibson, and a solid cast of other role players. They might tank a bit and still end up with a lower playoff seed, but I really don’t see anything better than 10th pick (don’t get me wrong, a late lottery is much better than high 20s). 

[NYK2010Participant]

Even if they tank with Noah, Deng, Gibson, Boozer, Hamilton, Hinrich they won’t land a solid lottery pick.

I wonder if Tibbs still thinks he made the right decision keeping Rose in the game up 12 with a minute and change left against the 76ers.  Game 1 of the playoffs was over the lead was as high has 17 in the 4th qtr against a weak offensive team w/no superstar.  Guess Rose mising 22 of the last 28 games wasn’t enough of a warning sign.  Coaches stay stubborn and the end result was they lost any chance of winning the title in 2012 and 2013.

[220Participant]

The way Rose got injured it likely didn’t matter if Rose stayed in the game or not. It may not have happened that night, but it was likely to happen. It wasn’t some freak incident things in his leg were just weak. No one touched him, he didn’t even land too badly or have his leg slip/get hyper extended. It seemed more like a time bomb injury that would’ve happened and it was just a matter of when.

[paint intruderParticipant]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/222579/Derrick_Rose_Unlikely_To_Return_Until_March

[paint intruderParticipant]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/222579/Derrick_Rose_Unlikely_To_Return_Until_March

[Lebron’s HairlineParticipant]

220 I agree its not like he got hit and it happened, it was bound to happen at practice, the next game, sooner or later his leg was going to give out. Frankly I think its good he’s not going to play, he can rehab, get stronger, and work on hi outside shooting instead of relying on his athleticism and slashing ability

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

What’s surprising here?

The reports have always been that Rose’s recovery time could take 7 to 12 months. He could return as early as Christmas or as late as May. It all depends on how he heals and how he advances through his rehab/physical therapy. Usually, professional athletes with just an ACL tear (no MCL tear) can return in about 8-9 months. That puts Rose around Jan or Feb.

All signs so far have been great:

1. They did a great job with his range of motion and quad strength before the surgery.

2. The surgeon said the surgery went perfect and there was nothing unexpected. ACL repaired and minor tears to the medial and lateral meniscus fixed.

3. During the surgery, Rose also received platelet-rich plasma therapy to speed recovery.

4. All reports have been that he’s ahead of  schedule.

I think the Bulls are just preparing for the worst possible outcome, which is smart. The good thing is they won’t rush Rose back and are prepared to sit him out for the season IF need be. IF he’s cleared 100% and has no hurdles in front of him, I think he’ll play as soon as he’s ready though.

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

They need to amnesty Boozer. Sit Rose all year and come back in 2013-2014 to make a run. This is coming from a huge D Rose fan, and someone who loved the Jordan/Pippen/Rodman Bulls.

[Lebron’s HairlineParticipant]

Yes its true he will be recovered around February but you gotta add in the rehab he has to do, and he has to get back in shape as basketball is a physically grueling sport, I don’t think the bulls want to rush him and he ends up getting hurt again, they may just shut him down as he’s only 23

[geothermalParticipant]

 Remember when David "The Admiral" Robinson went down with a year long injury, the spurs started tanking i guess, or they really lose, and got Tim Duncan the next year, the Petronas Twin Towers!

[220Participant]

Sean Elliot also missed more than half the season the year David Robinson was out. Having your top two players out for bascially an entire year will mess almost any team up.

[HitsterParticipant]

If they were going to tank then amnestying Boozer would have been a sure sign of it, I doubt they will win as many games percentage wise as the last two seasons but they would still hope to be a 6th to 8th seed maybe if we assume that Heat, Nets, Knicks, Boston, Pacers may well be the top 5 seed in some order. Orlando will depend on what happens with D12 and Atlanta and Philly have both changed their roster a bit so where they stand play off wise we will not know for a while.

I’ll throw a wildcard, lets say the Bulls are near a play off position if D-Rose returns with say 20 games left, by play off time he could be back up to full speed and will be fresh. A 6th seeded Bulls with thar scenario would not be a nice match up.

 

[HitsterParticipant]

If they were going to tank then amnestying Boozer would have been a sure sign of it, I doubt they will win as many games percentage wise as the last two seasons but they would still hope to be a 6th to 8th seed maybe if we assume that Heat, Nets, Knicks, Boston, Pacers may well be the top 5 seed in some order. Orlando will depend on what happens with D12 and Atlanta and Philly have both changed their roster a bit so where they stand play off wise we will not know for a while.

I’ll throw a wildcard, lets say the Bulls are near a play off position if D-Rose returns with say 20 games left, by play off time he could be back up to full speed and will be fresh. A 6th seeded Bulls with thar scenario would not be a nice match up.

 

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

@igetbuckets99

David West, at 30 years old, tore his ACL and returned to the court in less than nine months. It doesn’t take professional athletes as long to return as regular people. We don’t have the same surgeons, physical therapists, equipment nor do we get the same kind of attention they get.

IF Derrick Rose is cleared in Feb, it won’t be to just begin basketball activities. It will be to return to NBA basketball.

He’ll be riding a bike at three months. He’ll be running at five. Let’s say he’s cleared 100% to return to the NBA on Feb 12th… That would put him at exactly nine months. It’ll mean that he was probably cleared for basketball activities and basketball training a month or so before.

Now, obviously… If he’s not ready, he’s not ready. They won’t rush him. But if he’s ready to play 100% with no limitations and he’s passed all of the checkpoints/stages, he should play. If the Bulls are terrible and they sit him out for that reason, then that’s understandable.

 

 

[F_S]

only lebron and durant going at it for mvp, again.

everyone else in the outside looking in

[phila9012Participant]

 I think it is key then to bring back the white mamba aka Brian Scalabrine to rally the team and to get the fans to show up to the games. When people go to bulls games they want to see drose and or the white mamba, so if one is gone you need the other. I know scalabrine has not been playing at the level you would expect for a guy like him to be playing at, but if they can bring him back. I think he will be amazing if they give him the playing time deserves

[surveParticipant]

 http://www.rantsports.com/courtcrusades/2012/07/23/marco-belinelli-agrees-to-deal-with-chicago-bulls/

[SubZeroParticipant]

I don’t see why they shouldn’t tank…what good is it to have a sub-par season and get nothing in return? Trade Deng/Boozer, shed some salary, and hope to get a top 5-6 pick and go for Shabazz or Poythress

[Cavaliers420Participant]

 If I were them I’d tank. They need another key guy on their team who can create for others and score the ball. Derrick does it all for that team. Although if they do end up having a terrible record, will that reflect on how much Derrick rose is needed or how bad the actual team is? I honestly don’t see Deng letting the teams record slip that low.

[derrickrose231Participant]

 i see them having a top 10 pick but not top 5 

[Sewok15Participant]

They will fight for the 8th spot in the east. Thibs won’t allow them to tank. This is not the year to tank either considering the draft next year isn’t nearly as strong as this class or the 2014 draft class.

[druneave3Participant]

Miami, Boston, Brooklyn, Indiana, New York, and Philly are all certain to make the playoffs leaving only 2 spots. You would have to think a Thibodeau led Bulls team even without Rose the entire year, (and Deng possibly half the year, although many thinking no surgery now) would still make the playoffs over other teams in the east. However, the east has improved…. there are 4 teams that could possibly make it over Bulls……….Wizards, Atlanta, Orlando with Dwight/or Cleveland with Bynum, and Toronto. There is also Bucks and Pistons, you never know. 2012-13 Bulls: G: Rose, Rip, Hinrich, Belinelli, Teague. F: Deng, Boozer, Gibson, Butler, Vlad. C: Noah, Mohammed. 1-2 more signings. As a Bulls fan I would love to see them get into the lottery next year even if it is a 10 + pick, as opposed to a lower seed in the playoffs and yet another first or second round exit. This is why I was mad Bulls didn’t make a move on draft night moving Deng/Noah for draft pick and salary relief. Even if Rose does come back and bulls make a late push in the playoffs, this team is not good enough to beat Miami, OKC, and other top NBA teams.

[HitsterParticipant]

If we rule out Charlotte and possibly Cleveland, Detroit from the play offs out East, you could then see a number of teams battling for 7th and 8th spots. Washington won 6 on the bounce to end last season and with a full season of Nene, Ariza and Okafor plus the addition of Beal and all the other rookie contract guys being a year on then they could maybe push past 30 wins and a play off shot.

Toronto have added some nice depth and whilst a play off run may be a year too soon, again they could well push to 30-35 wins.

I ruled out Cleveland as if we assume Jamieson moves on then even with improvement from Rivers and the other young guys maybe 30 – 35 wins is again their ceiling. But if the Bynum trade ever did come off with D12 going to Lakers then Cleveland suddenly have one of the best C’s out East and would be a borderline play off team this year.

Detroit have a current ceiling of maybe again about 30 wins and if we assume that Drummond will need time then even with improvement another trip to the lottery won’t do them any harm.

The Bucks have often punched above their weight and with scorers in place could be a challenger for the 8th seeding maybe.

Atlanta have lost Marvin Williams and more crucially Johnson but Devin Harris and Lou Williams will probably replace their scoring so again Atlanta should have the team to be a likely 5th or 6th seed.

The Atlantic divison looks loaded for next season with 3 current play off teams in there and the Nets likely to be so next year so that will push some heavy hitters down to maybe 5th or 6th seeding.

 

[theballerwayParticipant]

They performed more than successfully without Rose. This Chicago squad will still be formidable defensively and good on the interior and on the boards. I think there demise is not that immediate or definate. If they adjust their playing style to incorporate or run through Boozer ( opposed to amnesty) they could compete . The real question is Deng availability(since Rose is gine for sure) but I cant see them out of the playoffs. Good coaching really makes a big difference

[JunkYardDogParticipant]

With the performance of Malcolm Thomas in the summer league (best rebounder, athletic abilities, defensive skills, nice mid range shoot), the Bulls should decide to sign him a 3 years deal (last year as a team option) between 3 and 5 M. It won’t cost lots of money and help them to bring a nice young backup able to develop his game.

Asik is gone, Mirotic is not here (maybe in 2 years), Boozer is still disappointed, Mohammed is not a solution,  Noah is very frightening with the way he looked after his injury (this naturopathy bullsh*t promotion in Hawaii… 2 months to manage an ankle spain ?…)… the bulls need to add a player inside to bring energy and a good surprise.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

It won’t cost anything more than the minimum to sign Malcolm Thomas. The only bidding will be from how much of that minimum will be guaranteed. Thomas played well in the NBDL last year and obviously didn’t hurt himself in the summer league, but the NBA is a leap.

As of Nazr Mohammed, the Bulls will be fine with him. They will only need him against teams with bigger deeper frontcourts and in games Noah misses. Otherwise, I would expect that they would use a more ambiguous frontcourt with Noah, Boozer, Gibson, and Radmanovic rotating.

 

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

"Derrick rose is reportedly out until March 2013, and it will be unlikely he will play next season. This explains why the bulls have been shedding salary, they know they won’t compete without drose so they’re tanking"

I don’t think they are tanking, but it makes no sense to go into the tax and overpay their bench players. When Rose went down, the expectations for next season changed. Korver, Watson, and Brewer were not going to be on the roster in 2013-14 regardless, so all the Bulls did is make a reasonable decision to not run up their payroll in a year where they cannot win the title. Matching Asik would have been insane under any circumstance. My guess is that the Bulls play out the season until February and see where they are. If they are doing well, they have the Korver trade exception to plug a hole for a playoff run. If not, they can deal Rip Hamilton to a team with either a trade exception or cap room and get under the tax line, take it slow on bringing back Rose, and see if they can use a draft pick in the 10-16 range to get a secondary scorer to help Derrick in the years going forward.

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