[FuqdatassParticipant]

 I don’t get why many people have Stephen Zimmerman dropping to the second round. In my opinion, he is better than Labissiere. Zim has more range and isn’t as soft as Skal. I’m sick of all this bullshit on how Skal should still be a lottery pick while Zim is more of a late first or even early second rounder! It’s absolutely ridiculous! Come at me, haters. Let’s see who wants to debate me.

[Hype Machine]

 Im with you Wilkins. 

Zimmerman is a nice athlete with legit size and nice touch. Considering both are finesse players, I give the edge to Zimmerman simply because he doesnt have the mental frailties of Skal. 

Although his season at UNLV wasnt great, I think he has decent upside.

 

[Hype Machine]

 Im with you Wilkins. 

Zimmerman is a nice athlete with legit size and nice touch. Considering both are finesse players, I give the edge to Zimmerman simply because he doesnt have the mental frailties of Skal. 

Although his season at UNLV wasnt great, I think he has decent upside.

 

[Evan_MilbergParticipant]

I think Zim’s a first rounder, but I can see how some might have him dropping to the top of the second round. Toward the end of the first round, you have a lot of centers you can make a case for. Out of the group of Zimmerman, Damian Jones, Diamond Stone, and AJ Hammons, at least one of them will fall to the second round simply because not a lot of teams in the late first need centers. Zim is the best rebounder in the group, but he was arguably just as disappointing as Skal offensively this year given relative expectations. I think if Indiana doesn’t take Zim at 20, he could fall as far 32. Skal just has a much higher ceiling offensively, which is why I think you’re seeing more talk of Skal staying in the 13-17 range. I’m with you, though. I personally wouldn’t take Skal in the first round unless I was planning on drafting multiple big men (like potentially Phoenix) or I was running a playoff team that has time to let him develop.

[Evan_MilbergParticipant]

I think Zim’s a first rounder, but I can see how some might have him dropping to the top of the second round. Toward the end of the first round, you have a lot of centers you can make a case for. Out of the group of Zimmerman, Damian Jones, Diamond Stone, and AJ Hammons, at least one of them will fall to the second round simply because not a lot of teams in the late first need centers. Zim is the best rebounder in the group, but he was arguably just as disappointing as Skal offensively this year given relative expectations. I think if Indiana doesn’t take Zim at 20, he could fall as far 32. Skal just has a much higher ceiling offensively, which is why I think you’re seeing more talk of Skal staying in the 13-17 range. I’m with you, though. I personally wouldn’t take Skal in the first round unless I was planning on drafting multiple big men (like potentially Phoenix) or I was running a playoff team that has time to let him develop.

[festar35Participant]

I think Zimmerman is a real chance to go at #20 to Indiana (I want him there as well), but there are 2 factors working against him.

#1 – Ben Bentil is exactly what Larry Bird is looking for in a 4-man and if he is on the board I think Indiana takes him without hesitation, he honestly reminds me of the Morris brothers. (My preferred pick, Zimmerman is 2nd on my list)

#2 – “Small-ball” much like Bentil is the fit they want, Larry wants to get smaller. Putting a 6’11 guy next to Turner doesn’t really fit the mold of what that mentality would be unless they view him as a nice back-up, but I think he has starter potential at 4 or 5.

The team I like for him is Boston as they have a bunch of picks and could use one on a big man with really decent potential to become a starter to play with Thomas and who ever else comes to town.
I think Memphis could be another option for them if they decide Randolph or Gasol’s future is limited and they want to start the rebuild.
Can he shoot the 3-ball? Or does he have that potential is what teams will be looking at, he could be a more athletic Troy Murphy who plays a bit of defense which in today’s NBA would be gold.

[festar35Participant]

I think Zimmerman is a real chance to go at #20 to Indiana (I want him there as well), but there are 2 factors working against him.

#1 – Ben Bentil is exactly what Larry Bird is looking for in a 4-man and if he is on the board I think Indiana takes him without hesitation, he honestly reminds me of the Morris brothers. (My preferred pick, Zimmerman is 2nd on my list)

#2 – “Small-ball” much like Bentil is the fit they want, Larry wants to get smaller. Putting a 6’11 guy next to Turner doesn’t really fit the mold of what that mentality would be unless they view him as a nice back-up, but I think he has starter potential at 4 or 5.

The team I like for him is Boston as they have a bunch of picks and could use one on a big man with really decent potential to become a starter to play with Thomas and who ever else comes to town.
I think Memphis could be another option for them if they decide Randolph or Gasol’s future is limited and they want to start the rebuild.
Can he shoot the 3-ball? Or does he have that potential is what teams will be looking at, he could be a more athletic Troy Murphy who plays a bit of defense which in today’s NBA would be gold.

[MopgrassParticipant]

 Zimmerman… finally, someone brought him up. He’s one of the most underrated guys in the draft. I’ve got him, Skal, Sabonis, and Poeltl in the lottery. Of the group, he is the most well-rounded. I do think he’ll be average at protecting the rim, at best, but he does everything else well. He is built for today’s NBA.

To me, Skal is the only one of the group who might end up protecting the rim and has the most potential. But sometimes, in college, he got tossed around like a child. Poeltl is incredibly solid from anywhere around the rack and his FG% was insane. Sabonis, kind of a tweener, is so ferocious and, despite Poeltl’s %, looks like the best post player in college. If he’s a center, he’s worth more. It’s an interesting group because nobody has it all. Zimmerman is the closest to having it all.

Still, Bender is above all these guys. 

[MopgrassParticipant]

 Zimmerman… finally, someone brought him up. He’s one of the most underrated guys in the draft. I’ve got him, Skal, Sabonis, and Poeltl in the lottery. Of the group, he is the most well-rounded. I do think he’ll be average at protecting the rim, at best, but he does everything else well. He is built for today’s NBA.

To me, Skal is the only one of the group who might end up protecting the rim and has the most potential. But sometimes, in college, he got tossed around like a child. Poeltl is incredibly solid from anywhere around the rack and his FG% was insane. Sabonis, kind of a tweener, is so ferocious and, despite Poeltl’s %, looks like the best post player in college. If he’s a center, he’s worth more. It’s an interesting group because nobody has it all. Zimmerman is the closest to having it all.

Still, Bender is above all these guys. 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 I’ve been hoping that one of Zimmerman, D. Jones, Qi or Maker slips to 32.  All of them to me project to be solid modern bigs in their own unique way.  As of right now I don’t like the odds of them slipping to 32.  I imagine all of them wow in a work out setting.

Of the 4, of which I am excluding Skal because I imagine he definitely goes higher than all of them, worthy or not.  Out of the 4 mentioned above Qi is still my favorite prospect.  Incredible length, nice touch, mobile for his size and has been playing against grown men for a few years now.  He is going to be an above average starter for awhile but he needs to get stronger and surely will.

D Jones will be a solid rim runner and rim protector.  Such a great athlete for someone his size.  He has nice touch and form on his jump shot.  A few years of NBA repetitions and he should be able to hit a 15 footer at a decent clip.

Maker and Zimmerman are the most similar to each other in my opinion.  Maker is the superior athlete for sure.  But I can see both of them switching a lot on defense and setting a lot of screens on offense.  They are both quite mobile laterally and I think both of them won’t be great at anything, but good at multiple things.

There are some nice high risk high reward big man prospects in the middle of this draft.

 

 

 

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 I’ve been hoping that one of Zimmerman, D. Jones, Qi or Maker slips to 32.  All of them to me project to be solid modern bigs in their own unique way.  As of right now I don’t like the odds of them slipping to 32.  I imagine all of them wow in a work out setting.

Of the 4, of which I am excluding Skal because I imagine he definitely goes higher than all of them, worthy or not.  Out of the 4 mentioned above Qi is still my favorite prospect.  Incredible length, nice touch, mobile for his size and has been playing against grown men for a few years now.  He is going to be an above average starter for awhile but he needs to get stronger and surely will.

D Jones will be a solid rim runner and rim protector.  Such a great athlete for someone his size.  He has nice touch and form on his jump shot.  A few years of NBA repetitions and he should be able to hit a 15 footer at a decent clip.

Maker and Zimmerman are the most similar to each other in my opinion.  Maker is the superior athlete for sure.  But I can see both of them switching a lot on defense and setting a lot of screens on offense.  They are both quite mobile laterally and I think both of them won’t be great at anything, but good at multiple things.

There are some nice high risk high reward big man prospects in the middle of this draft.

 

 

 

 

[MopgrassParticipant]

 In my dreams, Maker falls to 32 or they trade up to take him. Russell, Clarkson, Ingram, Randle, Maker sounds like an extremely modern NBA team: very fast-paced (with Walton’s help), good floor spreading (save Randle), good tenacity, very switchable, some rim protection (Maker, maybe Ingram), and fun to watch. If I remember correctly, you’re bigger on Jaylen Brown than Ingram. Brown’s my #3 and not by much, but I like Ingram a little more and fit-wise anyway. 

[MopgrassParticipant]

 In my dreams, Maker falls to 32 or they trade up to take him. Russell, Clarkson, Ingram, Randle, Maker sounds like an extremely modern NBA team: very fast-paced (with Walton’s help), good floor spreading (save Randle), good tenacity, very switchable, some rim protection (Maker, maybe Ingram), and fun to watch. If I remember correctly, you’re bigger on Jaylen Brown than Ingram. Brown’s my #3 and not by much, but I like Ingram a little more and fit-wise anyway. 

[GBeeParticipant]

 I’d have both of them around the same value as far as big board rankings go. Mid to late 20s. Neither are great big man prospects. Skal has a little more potential because he’s springier and has bit more shot creating potential, but Zim has a better all-around game and is smarter, with better instincts.  Unlike Skal, Zim doesn’t look absolutely clueless when put in a position to make decisions with the ball other than shoot. Zim sees the game better, is the better passer and I think he’s better at putting the ball on the deck (albeit only in one direction).  The problem I have with Zim is that he’s extremely left-handed.  He’s basically a 1 handed player.  Because of that right arm injury that never correctly healed, he limits the use of it and he gets poor extension on it.  Unless he masters the left shoulder fade, he has no counters that direction. 

In any case,  I see both players playing similar roles offensively. Pick and pop bigs who play in space, with Skal having the slightly better jumper while Zim can do a little more with the ball in terms of passing/decision making/driving.

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 I’d have both of them around the same value as far as big board rankings go. Mid to late 20s. Neither are great big man prospects. Skal has a little more potential because he’s springier and has bit more shot creating potential, but Zim has a better all-around game and is smarter, with better instincts.  Unlike Skal, Zim doesn’t look absolutely clueless when put in a position to make decisions with the ball other than shoot. Zim sees the game better, is the better passer and I think he’s better at putting the ball on the deck (albeit only in one direction).  The problem I have with Zim is that he’s extremely left-handed.  He’s basically a 1 handed player.  Because of that right arm injury that never correctly healed, he limits the use of it and he gets poor extension on it.  Unless he masters the left shoulder fade, he has no counters that direction. 

In any case,  I see both players playing similar roles offensively. Pick and pop bigs who play in space, with Skal having the slightly better jumper while Zim can do a little more with the ball in terms of passing/decision making/driving.

 

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