Serious Nets Question
Say they land Carmelo Anthony ( Not a done deal, he could still decline) and DJ Augustine. How many wins and where do you see this team?
I had them 14th in my rankings with 22 wins. I think they go to 9th at 40 wins and here's why:
By making this trade, the Nets get a legit star BUT you lose a solid point guard on the roster. DJ Augustine has shown little to nothing to prove he's any good. I like Jordan Farmar and I believe he could take over the range but time will tell. Terrance Williams is good but let's not get carried away, he's not a above average player from what I seen. The frontcourt of Melo, Murphy and Lopez is solid offensively but below average defensively.
The bench is good with Morrow, Outlaw, Petro and Augustine. I have my questions but I would be shocked if there a top 6 team in the East.
IF they're able to get Melo, I think they're a playoff team... 7th or 8th seed.
Heat. Magic. Celtics. Bulls. Bucks. Hawks. Nets. Knicks.
Now that I think about it...I don't think that makes them a better team next season then the Pacers and Sixers.
I just dont see the potential in Farmar as some other people do on this site this is a step backward for the Nets you lose above average pg in Harris who you NEED in the east with all the young explosive pgs around and Favors who at worst can be tyrus thomas something a unatheletic Nets frontcourt needs why cant they just wait till the summer
There's a reason the Nuggets haven't missed the playoffs since 2003-2004 since they've drafted Anthony. He's THAT good. He's a top ten player... He should be able to lead the Nets into the postseason. I'm not buying a top six team, but the 7th/8th seed is definitely within reach.
The front office is in place. The coach is in place. The superstar is in place. A young center is in place. They have a good, not great, supporting cast. I see no reason to say they won't be in the playoffs.
Harris is a very good point guard, but I think people are making too much of a big deal about him. He's rarely healthy. He's been injured on and off since 2007-08. The injuries to his ankles have taken away from his speed/quickness in my opinion. He's lost a step.
I'm not saying it's impossible but I have them right in the group fighting in.
Here's my thinking: Does Carmelo equal a 15-20 win increase? I think so. He could be but with the East improving ( 8-10 of 15 teams improved) there's gonna be a battle for those last spots.
Also, I wouldn't say Melo was the main reason. He did have fantastic teammates.
I think that if this trade goes down, they are considerably better than the pacers and the sixers. The sixers obviously have Andre Iguodala who can be good for about 18 points a game and about 7 or 8 assists. They have two amazingly talented young players in Jrue Holliday and Evan Turner. They have a bust in Elton Brand. Theyve got an underrated center in Spencer Hawes. Theyve got a promising young player in Louis Williams. But I feel that the Nets will be a better team. Obviously they have Carmelo Anthony, and with the offensive supporting cast he has on the Nets, hed probably average close to 30 a night, and if he ever takes advantage of his good size, he could possibl pull down 7 rebounds a night. Terrance Williams is gonna improve. Jordan Farmar and DJ Augistine are below average starting point guards, but at least Farmar has championship experience. Troy Murphy has been a reliable player for years now. And Brook Lopez i feel is capable of 20 and 10. Their bench is also improved with Travis Outlaw and Anthony Morrow. The Pacers have Danny Granger, a great young player in Darren Collison, and a decent supporting cast. With tht said, in my opinion i think the nets would be better off then these two teams
As a Pacers fan, I'd love to say they'll be in the playoffs lol. However, I can't ignore the huge hole at the four. We were a weak rebounding team WITH Murphy... What will we be without him? Start Granger at the four? Really? We all know he no longer wants to defend and he's not a great rebounder. I'm also not sold on our two guards. Dunleavy Jr. had a major knee injury. Jones can't score. Rush is a pot head. George lacks ball handling and isn't ready.
And the 76ers... Yea, they're improved. Doug Collins and Evan Turner. However, I'm not sold on them being a playoff team. They'll be in competition, but I'd give the edge to the Nets/Knicks.
I also think it'd be silly to count out the Bobcats who would have Harris/Jackson/Wallace/Thomas and three seven foot centers.
playoffs to will be
6 thru 12 could all change depending on injuries
Ughh, Indy Bball, Charlotte does not have 3 7ft Centers. They released Dampier, traded Chandler and Ajinca. So the only 7ft center that is left is Desagna Diop. Unless you are saying that Mohommed is 7ft as well, which he's not only 6'10 with big hops, but still not 7ft. Besides both Mohammed and Diop are busts so that 7ft doesn't matter, or help the Bobcats win games.
Cleveland gained 18 games from an 18 year old Lebron James. A seasoned 7 year vet like Carmelo would account for at least a 20 game swing IMO, especially with a talented center like Lopez and Murphy isn't flashy but he's a very effective player. I think they could flirt with .500
Nazr Mohammed is 6' 10" 250 lbs. His wingspan is 7+ feet long.
Kwame Brown is 6' 11 270 lbs. His wingspan is 7+ feet long.
Dasagna Diop is 7' 0 280 lbs. His wingspan is also 7+ feet long.
IF you want to get technical, no... They don't have three seven footers, however I see no problem with saying they do. Each player has a reach/wingspan that extends past seven foot.
Neither of the three are great centers, but they should be able to get the job done by committee similar to Chandler, Mohammed, Ratliff and Diop did last season. Nobody is asking them to light it up. Just rebound, defend and foul.
And I think you need to take another look at Mohammed. He was arguably better than Chandler last season.
Agreed, Mohammed is a solid veteran center and far from a bust, he was taken 29th and has played 10 years and won a championship while playing an important role on that team. He's probably one of the better 29th picks of all time. He can still play smart defensive basketball at this stage in his career.
its pretty obvious what the playoff predicitions should be
1 heat- easy
2 magic- easy
3 bulls- hold on
4 bucks- yours still thinking why no celts? still hold on
5 celtics- they wont push to get a high seed in the playoffs and will play their injury prone players sparingly, low seed for the celtics but you have to beat the best to be the best.
8 charlotte unless the knicks pick up a stud to play out on the wing
the east will be very competive this yr thats fo sure
Melo goes to Nets and they will make the playoffs. People are forgeting that early on Lebron team did not go to the playoffs and he played in the East which was weaker but Denver with Melo has gone to the playoffs every year with Melo. Melo is at top 3 player and top 5 at the worst. Some of you guys are trying to add faults to his game that are overblown. Even MJ had faults in his game but he was a winner and so is Melo. I am not saying Melo is Jordan but Melo is up there and people should not overlook him.
I was gonna say who calls the 29th pick with Nazr's resume a bust. However the Sixers drafted him and gave up a future first rounder to get him which wound up being a 16th overall pick. Larry Brown was convinced back then that Nazr Mohommed was the next Theo Ratliff, at the time Ratliff was considered possibly the best defensive center in the league. In fact when Theo got injured that was one of the most important moments in Sixers history because it derailed the franchise for the next 5 years. We traded Ratliff, Nazr, and Kukoc and pretty much mortgaged our future for Mutombo who was 34 and wowed Larry Brown by grabbing 22 rebounds in the All Star Game. Then Nazr avered like almost 13 and 10 I think the rest of the season for the Hawks and Dikembe still didn't stand a chance against Shaq anyway in the Finals.
And I remember posting that the Nets should find a way to get DJ in the deal too because he is in LB's doghouse but I never saw where he was mentioned in the trade. Whoever thinks Augustine has no future in wrong. Didn't he average 12 and 4 as a rookie and shot 44% from 3 while taking like 250 3's on the season? That's dam good for a 6'0 guard who was only 20 years old at the time. He's no Chris Paul but he's a deadly outside shooter who will keep the floor spaced for Melo and a good passer. With Melo I think the Nets are better then the Bucks and on pace with the Hawks. The Nets will posses with Melo the most clutch scoring forward in the East, and the second best center who could have a 20, 10, and 2 block season.
And If I'm a Pacers fan I'm excited. Your team has been stagnant and ugly for so long and finally you guys got some great athletes and interesting talent. I can't wait to see what Collison will do as a franchise PG I think he will be awesome. Hansbrough if he can stay healthy should be a decent power forward. And your shooting guard position is set. Stephenson is going to over achieve in the league because his game is tailored made for the NBA. Paul George is further along in his development then you think. George can handle and pass well. While his dribble game is still a little shaky, thats why you have Collison and George is deadly curling off screens and firing. I wanna say his game reminds me more of Rip Hamiliton then T-Mac but its a little bit of both because George got a flair for big plays and posses nice court vision he is going to get more assists then people think. And Dunleavy is so underrated but thats probably because he's always hurt, either way he will be a great locker room presence for Lance and George to learn off of. And Granger has more then enough size to play power forward but he seems to have no interests in rebounding or playing defense once he found out he can score a lot of points in this league.
I had the Nets down for 25 to 30 wins tops this year, adding Melo will put them in 35 win range upwards I'd guess which out East may sneak into 8th place. I could see them looking to trade Murphy's expiring deal down the road this season maybe to upgrade at PF or add depth.
Melo is a top 3 player really??? He is NOT even a top 5 player, I would say he is more of a top 10 player..
The Nets will make the playoffs with Melo. They have Lopez and now some three point threats to make them more competitive. Losing harris is bad but not catatrosphic. Farmar will be solid, but it doesnt really matter if he is or not because even with harris there, the best passer/player maker on the team is Terrence Williams. Look for him to have a break out season in point forward role. The nets have become better three shooting team, a more athletic team with addition of Damion James and Travis Outlaw, and if the get Melo they will has an unstoppable scorer on the wing to go with a great scorer in the post. I think they can be a better team or equal to the Hawks who should have lost to Milwaukee without Bogut in the playoffs.
These are the top 3 players in no order in particular:
I could not put carmelo above either of those players possibly not even above Dwight Howard and KD
I actually like Melo ahead of D Wade but I know most people would put him behind DWade but no way he is below Durant. I like Durant but Melo is stronger and can do everything Durant can do. Durant may be the better 3 point shooter but Melo has a better mid range and post game. They both are average on D with Durant getting the edge because of length.
I understand we all have our opinions but arguably Melo is top 3 and at no worst top 5.
you know i have been real down on charlotte all summer, but adding harris is very solid for them. Im begining to think they might make the playoffs this year or at east be right in the mix for the last few spots. The nets also get better obviously. Before i had NY and Phillly making it in, but now you can add NJ and Cha as well to make it really interesting. Washington is in the mix too.
Yes, I agree. This pushes Charlotte right back in.
While Devin Harris was the leader of the Nets they were one of the worse teams in NBA history, how does adding him make them a potential playoff threat on a Larry Brown team. LB hates shoot first points guards and will find someway to start Harris at shooting guard and go small. Remember you heard it hear first Harris-LB will not be a good fit. And if Harris does fit it he will not be putting up nice stats at all. around 15 n 6 at best.
I had Charlotte in the playoffs anyway, but Harris gives them a talented defender at their weakest position who offensively can play off of Stephen Jackson. He'll be the third scoring option (where he is best suited), and the secondary playmaker (also where he is best suited).
Seems like a perfect fit to me.
The nets were terrible last year obviously, but i think that if they don't do the trade the can easily approach 30 wins if the team gels. Anthony would add at most three or four wins, considering what they'd be giving up.
it will be interesting for that 7th and 8th seed. the knicks and knicks will need time to get used to playing with each other, knicks more so because they almost got awhole new roster and it takes time to gel and get used to each other.
defense will probably hurt both teams unless amare and melo decide to finally step up on defense and lead by example
dont sleep on the pacers making the playoffs. they have apretty good team although ill wait and see what goes on with that pf position. if psyco t is healthy then he can put up about 12 and 8
the sixers are interesting if elton is healthy and turner lives up to what he's capable of.
the bobcats (with harris) are the number 7th seed. thats three allstar talents in harris,jackson, and wallace plus a HOF coach and a team that plays hard on the defensive end ( fans tend to forget about that and mention the knicks because of offense but dont take into account defense)
What weaknesses did Mj have in his game?
Jordan wasn't a very good three-point shooter, but that's about it. And even still though... He could get hot from there lol. See vs Portland in the 1992 NBA Finals.