Scott Brooks = Terrible!
Jeff Green has been playing terrible for about the last month or two, getting absolutely abused playing PF. But Brooks insists on playing him 40+ every game NO MATTER WHAT.
Tonight against the Griz, he was 1-5 from the field with ZERO rebounds, while Zach Randolph had 31 and 16. When Nick Collison was in, he did a decent job. But Green played almost twice as many minutes!
James Harden had about 16 points in the first half, 6-7 from the field, 3-3 from 3. He played less than 5 minutes in the second half! WTF! His defense was fine! He was 2nd best in +/-.
With the Thunder down by 3 with 12 seconds left (and out of a timeout), the play Brooks draws up is an inbounds to pass to KD where he immediately shoots a 30 footer!
Brooks's lineups make NO sense. And Thunder have got to get rid of Green. Harden needs to play more minutes. It's not rocket surgery.
I like James Harden, I wish he was a Bull.
....but what is rocket surgery?
Rocket surgery? I agree with you. but it is either rocket science or brain surgery. Not trying to be a jerk but that made me laugh hahaha
Sweet jezebel. I didn't mean for that to be the main point of the post:
I saw that last 3 Durant took. When I saw it, I was like "WTF was that!".
Jeff Green needs to be traded away for a post scorer! I wish they were able to get Luis Scola or LaMarcus Aldridge or somebody that can bang in the low post. Jeff Green lacks the aggression to play as an undersized PF. He can take almost any PF to the hoop but he insisted on shooting a fader over taller forwards...so frustrating. If Jeff gave the thunder more efficient scoring and rebounding, there wouldn't be as much pressure on KD and Russ to have to produce points. Kevin and Russell have to take bad shots because nobody else is scoring when James Harden is on the bench.
Time for the Thunder to make some trades.
Aldridge or Scola for Green that won't happen.
This time def. won't be elite unless they get a legit big man.
What could the Thunder get for Green?
Just seems likes he would not bring a lot in return especially with his contract running out this year.
What about Nene for Jeff Green?
I think its time the Thunder trade Jeff Green. The 4 is not his position and should only play there occasionally if the team needs him too. Not consistently which is exactly what Brooks is doing. Now I don't suggest he change that. But I do suggest he trade Green for a 5 and sit Krstic, start Ibaka in his place. Maybe to Dallas for Chandler or Haywood or Sacramento for Thompson or maybe Philly for Speights. I suggest Dallas or Philly because Butler is out for the season and could really use another 3, and Philly because Iggy is not playing very well because of his injury so maybe they will deal him pretty soon leaving the 3 spot open.
Denver would not be good for him BigD because he would play the 4, unless Melo leaves then Denver would not be a good spot for him. He needs to play the 3 not the 4.
Harden should be starting too, but I think Brooks likes him off the bench as his premiere bench scorer. Oustide of him there is nobody on the bench that can score like he can. A premiere bench scorer is becoming quite a necessity in this league.
Are the thunder doing that bad or are they actually doing pretty well? Are they out of the playoff picture? Aren't they moving at the pace they planned on moving?...Great job by the GM not rushing things like alot of no experience fans want them to do
I wonder do ya'll also think Paul Millspa should be traded? Randolph abused him as well and Blake went off on him as well as Lamarcus Aldridge 3 different times and Kevin love
Jeff Green probably needs to either get traded, or be a 6th man. I agree. Them being a playoff team is probably not their goal. They have 2 stars on their team and they should look to make a move to become a contender for the title. I don't know what big man they could get for Green, but he's never been a guy I was sold could help them get to the title as starting PF.
I don't have a problem with Randolph having a good game. He's a really nice player. I have a problem with Green contributing nothing on either side of the ball and playing so many minutes when other players were more effective.
I don't care what their pace is. No matter how much you "don't rush things," Jeff Green will never be a PF. You can take it slow and steady if you have the right players in place. They have to get a rebounder or post scorer or they will be the Hawks of the West (in terms of never getting over the playoff hump).
I totally think Harden should come off the bench as a scorer, but he should play starters minutes.
I say keep him and keep going the course. They get better every year so why mess with whats working. I do say add players if you can by trading some of the other players. Right now they are in the biddle of the pack as far as rebounding so thats not a big problem for them ( better rebounding team than utah). I would trade him IF theres a deal that they cant refuse
On average Green is playing wel. Look at the whole season not just a couple of games. every player goes through bad patch's. Its very easy to mess up a teams progress when you try to change major parts/rush when a team has been doing nothing but going up every year. Fans love to try to rush things and some dumb GM's do as well but what the Gm/coach for the Thunder has been doing has been working. Going from a very bad team one year to a playoff team 8th seed the next to (so far this season) a number 4 seed, with a very young team that still hasnt reached its peak and its top players haven't reached there prime. Why mess with whats working for you and has been working for you the past 2 seasons. Its not a sprint its a marathon
You really think moving Jeff Green to 6th man or trading him for a solid starting big man will make the Thunder do worse than last year? You think he's THAT good to where he would impact the Thunder by making those moves?
I think Chemstry is very important and if a team is going in the right direction and has done nothing but got better every year then why mess with that? I'm just glad the team is going with that approach and not listening to basketball fans
And what PF is on the block that can stretch the defense with mid and long range as well as replace 16ppg and is a banger?
Jeff Green is not a banger. And he's shooting 42% AT PF, to get those 16 points. And he gets under 6 rpg.
They might need to listen. They are never going to reach the Finals unless they get a good big man. Jeff Green's role should be similar to Lamar Odom's in LA. OKC hopefully isn't content with their roster right now, because they aren't title contenders as they are right now. They have the youth and a trade piece in Green to get a big man.
i know he's not a banger i was saying if they trade for another big man im sure they would want a banger. There long term goal isnt to reach the finals right now there plan was to reach it in a couple of years. they happen to be ahead of schedule and they are not a team that is one banging PF away from reaching the finals. All they need is patience like they have been doing. They have a big window as far as getting to the finals with there two best players under the age of 23. No need to rush.
If a trade comes along like portland trading Lamarcus for him or Hortford then you make it, other wise you keep him and see what you can develop. Ibaka is develioping very nicely and he is still very young, plus they will have money for a free agent. They are going along with a very good plan that has worked to almost perfection so far
If the Thunder get a good PF like Aldridge from Portland and got a defensive minded starting caliber C, and only gave up Green and a young player(S), they would be a title contender within a year or 2. It's not about the short-term really. Even in the long-term, the Thunder wouldn't have the pieces to win a title with Jeff Green at PF unless they acquire a top 3 or 4 C. He's not a true starting PF, and he's really playing like it this season. He showed it against the Lakers in the postseason that he's more of a 6th man.
The Thunder have managed their cap situation to a T, but it's time to get a little more aggressive and make a move or two that'll put them in title contention. Jeff Green is their most obvious trading chip. I mean, everyone knew that this day would eventually come when he was traded to Seattle on draft night. He and Durant are the same position.
Nene would be a great pickup and probably available since Denver should be trying to rebuild. The only thing is I'm not sure what Nene is, he's kinda a PF/C mix and I'm not sure he'd fit with Ibaka.
"Jeff Green is their most obvious trading chip. I mean, everyone knew that this day would eventually come when he was traded to Seattle on draft night. He and Durant are the same position."
Could/woulda/shoulda picked Noah. You can play that game all day, but it would've made a ton of sense back then too. It's almost like when Minny picked Rubio and Flynn.
Keep green and use cap space to sign a big( i think thats what they are doing) they have time and they are doing the right thing. hopefully they will continue to do the right thing. Nene is not the piece that gets them over the hump. they are doing the right thing which is obvious since they have been getting better every year. If it aint broke don't fix it seems to be there approach
Trade him now, before he gets a big contract offer in the summer from some team.
The Thunder will have to worry about the cap soon with Durant being a max player and Westbrook most likely too.
If he doesn't start I wouldn't pay him big money as a 6th man he's not as good as Terry, Jamal Crawford that warrant big money. Never know maybe Portland is willing to start over and trade Aldridge for Green and the Thunder backup PG or a 1st rounder. Its a long shot but anything is possible their new GM has made some questionable moves already.
With the New CBA a max player won't cost so much. Also didnt durant already sign his contract extension?..And from what ive read Green won't command alot of money this summer which makes it a good idea not to over pay for him now
yeah i doubt very seriously if they trade Aldrige for green. Especially with the way he has been playing
If the Thunder really want to have a legitimate shot at being a title contender, Green has to go or at the least become 6th man. I can't see him defending the likes of Gasol, Nowitzki, Duncan, Boozer, KG all that well. He just doesn't have the aggressive to compete with these guys. At least if they had Ibaka at the PF they have the length at that position, and Ibaka is a much better post defender.
Theres no one that can check those guys anyway
And they dont need to win the title this or next or the year after. They dont have a age problem like a Boston, they have time to build. Just like a team like the Twolves or Clippers, they can't win with the players that they have but they are gonna stick with some of them and build because they have time to do that. Its understand able for the fans to think other wise because fans aren't patient they wanna win now or a team to win now and trade trade trade. When you have a team that is good and gets better every year you make lil trades here and there and big trades only if its gonna bring back something better then you are sending
But Ibaka makes it a lot harder for them and would compete against them a lot better.
i love green but he just isnt pf,it would be heart breaking to see those thunder core gets traded away.i was saying since green startet playing pf he just isnt pf,he has to much finesse in his game,he isnt bruiser down low..when he is playing sf he is almost all star but it cleary that coach wants kd at sf...SO if they got to trade him they should try to get a young big man(i heard guys saying green for kaman,CMON SON, THAT WOULD BE BIGGEST TRADE MISTAKE EVER,KAMAN IS RETARDED MONKEY WHO PLAYED ONE GOOD SEASON ON LOUSY TEAM) THEY SHOULD TRY TO GET MCGEE(I KNOW HE IS A PROBLEM,BUT PLAYING NEXT TO THOSE GOOD GUYS WOULD BE GOOD FOR HIM.... second on my list is Marc Gasol ( he isnt athletic as mcgee but he is excellent rebounder,good on D,and he isnt ball hog) and i think that it would be possible to bring him cause MEMPHIS CANNOT KEEP ALL THOSE PLAYERS TOGETHER(THAT OWNER IS FULL OF BS) hes just waiting for the right offer..... and third guy in Nene (atletic,solid rebounder,and doesnt have big ego,but i dont think that he is worth of Green)....I wouldnt min to see DeAnde Jordan also(he isnt worth of green right now,but will be once he becomes D-howard-which actually means that you are SOLID C)_____________YOUR MOM IS SHOWERING NAKED o.O
There is no way they are getting any of those 3 big guys.
you retarded &$#%#&@!,did i say that they are going to get any of these guys...i said they should try to get one of those players
DeAndre Jordan would obviously not move, McGee most unlikely, Gasol doubtful. Chris Kaman is more then a good pickup. Got close to a 20-10 season last year i believe. Has great offensive touch and is a very good rebounder, goodish on D, but is certainly better then Krstic.
hmmm interesting trades. I would make the Green for Kahman trade. He fits in well with them,can play defense and rebound and score. Maybe Jordan if you add another player. the same with McGee