[jjonzParticipant]

This is not a relative new phenom were PG can score in bundles. It started with Magic in the 80’s, but there were only 2 PG who averaged more that 19ppg in the 80’s. Magic & Isaiah.  Magic Per 48 minute stat in the 80’s 25ppg 9.6rebs 15.assts. In the 90’s you had T.Hardaway with 19.4. The player who truly turned the PG position into what it is today was AI. In the 2000’s you had

AI  28ppg

Gil Arenas 23 ppg

S.Marbury 19 ppg

Now the new school Scoring Points

DRose 25&8 assts

Westbrook 22&8

DWill 21&9

I think JWall could join this elusive group in a couple years. So how do you build around these prolific Points? With a Big (Rose & Boozer) or with a dominant wing (Westbrook & Durant). Watching these guy’s grow should be fun.

[Tha_PrinceParticipant]

 I think you build around them with a defensive big (not necessarily All-Star material like Boozer) but can rebound at a high rate and block shots, than have that All-Star wing like a Durant to have a 1-2 scoring punch. 

[jjonzParticipant]

^^^^ I know Bulls run a lot of Pick & Roll with Rose & Boozer. I wonder how far that Duo will take them. I also wonder if L.Deng can be that 17-20 ppg that they need to be a Championship team this year.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

You should really do more research before writing these posts. First of all, Magic and Isiah were not the only PG’s to average over 20 ppg in the 80’s. Second of all, AI had little to nothing to do with how people play the PG position right now. He started his career as a PG and later was pretty much classified as an SG, because that is what he was. Ever hear of a guy named Bob Cousy though? Or maybe a chap named Oscar Robertson? Those guys maybe gave standards to the position. You had Tiny Archibald and Walt Frazier, not to mention John Stockton and Kevin Johnson. Their were a number of scoring points from way back in the day, and while their may be more now, it is based more on ability than on actual team success. A great PG can do a lot of things for a team, but odds are if your PG is your primary scorer, you are in trouble.

Magic and Isiah may have both been the best players on their team, but they also had other guys who could and did score the ball. Isiah Thomas was the last PG to lead his team in scoring and win a championship as a PG. Billups and Tony Parker won Finals MVP’s as their teams second leading scorers. If anything, you want your PG to be a great leader and distributor and to play good defense, but it has yet to be seen that a big time scoring PG leads his team to a championship without other top notch bigs or wings. Their are a lot of scoring PG’s right now, most definitely, but few are in a great position to contend for a title. The best of the lot appears to be Derrick Rose, who is averaging about 25 per game, but I still feel it will be incredibly hard for the Bulls to compete with him having to score that much. Russell Westbrook, Deron Williams and Chris Paul are all missing significant pieces to contending for titles. Arenas is in the same boat as Iverson, I definitely call him an SG before calling him a point. Their are a lot of great PG’s right now, and it will be fun to watch them, but this is not at all a new phenomena and I think you are not giving all of the credit where it is due. You should really go back and look before stating things as facts.

[jjonzParticipant]

For the Decade of 1980 Zeke & MJ averaged 20& 19 ppg. Fact

& I was really thinking about Modern PG.

Observation AI is a SG.Wrong according to NBA.com Career 27ppg 7assts. Regardless of what you say he is. He was listed as a PG. 4 out of the 5 times he scored 30 ppg he also dished out 7 assts. So he was versatile enough to play both guard positions. But his NBA Tag was PG.

Observation G.Arenas: Breakout Year 29ppg 6assts. Once again listed as a PG regardless of How many shots he took.

Observation. I thought the only model for winning a Championship was a Dominant Wing combo Jordan/Pippen since i grew up in Chicago this is what i saw. But as the NBA evolves I believe that an Ultra Talented PG (DRose) Could lead a team to a Championship.  And I think it happens this year.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

mikeyvthedon just killed this thread.  LMAO

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

For what he did scoring points, getting steals and ironically racking up assists…he had to have the worst supporting cast to ever make a nba finals appearance, and then even won game one in Los Angeles…the Lakers were undefeated up until that point and who knows what would have happened if he had Paul Pierce instead of Larry Hughes to grow with…biggest draft mistake ever…leaving Pierce on the board and reaching for Larry Hughes, always hated Pierce playing for the other team but Wtf ish happens…

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

I am not saying he was not talented and had great ability, I just question him as a teams PG. You needed to cater to Allen more than a lot of players, and I guess we will never know if having more talent at the wing or in a big would still work with Allen also being the main scoring option. It certainly did not with Melo or in Detroit, though he was a very different Allen Iverson. His teams were pretty god awful in Philly though. Even his Finals team, past Game 1 of the Finals, was fairly destroyed. Not to mention he had a lot of defensive help on that squad. Still, it has yet to be determined that PG’s win chips, they help you win chips, but all the particular guys he pointed out post Iverson sure have not come close.

Also, Tongueout, you should know by now that I kill threads like moths.

[Quincey Hodges]

Kevin Johnson

Terrell Brandon

Gary payton

Jason kidd

Sam Cassell

Steve Francis

 

These pg also averaged 20ppg before

 

The first scoring Poitn guard was probably nate archibald. he put up 34ppg in a season before

[jjonzParticipant]

^^^^ My Bad communication Magic & Zeke averaged 20 & 19 ppg for decade of the 80’s.

[Quincey Hodges]

I think its easier for PG to do now because teams where better back then imo and you could play harder defense( foul more and be more physical) These days you can just fly down the lane and no one can take you down hard to send a message because you will get suspended for a couple of games. Back in the Day teams would have sent Rose a message for flying down the lane like he owns it.

[JoeWolf1]

This is just from the 1990-1991 NBA season.  I found it on an older post I had used to combat a similar post, This was also Gary Payton’s rookie year and Rod Strictland was also playing who averaged close to 20 ppg in his prime not to mention a couple years before Penny Hardaway and Kenny Anderson entered the league, I think we have fever scoring point guards in the league right now as compared to the 90’s. Also, AI was a point guard for about a year and a half…. 

Magic Johnson 19.4 ppg 12.5 apg

John Stockton 17.2 ppg 14.2 apg

Tim Hardaway 22.9 ppg 9.7 apg

Isiah Thomas 16.2 ppg 9.3 apg

Terry Porter 17 ppg 8 apg

Kevin Johnson 22.2 ppg 10.2 apg

Pooh Richardson 17 ppg 9 apg

Michael Adams 26.5 ppg 10.5 apg

Scott Skiles 17 ppg 8.4 apg

Mark Price 16.9 ppg 10.4 apg

 

 

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Look at NBA history man. I know times are changing, but look study up on past players. Archibald averaged 34 points and lead the league in assists, in the same season!

Observation: LeBron James has averaged more points and assists than Allen Iverson for his career. Is he a PG? Allen Iverson started his career known as a PG, but is classically known as an SG. Plus, he averaged 26.7 and 6.2 assists, so, use basketball-reference.com, it is actually a better source than NBA.com.

Observation: Hibachi is an undersized 2, but he played 2 in college and he seems like much more of a 2 than a PG in my books. You can call him a PG, like Iverson or Tyreke Evans, but they are just 2’s who happen to control the ball a lot. They are truly shoot first and are not classic PG’s that are akin to distributing the ball.

Observation: If you started watching basketball with the Bulls, they are actually an anomaly more than anything. NBA championships are classically won with great bigs, great rebounding and great defense. But, I am seeing you are kind of a Bulls homer, and while they have a pretty nice team model, good luck winning the chip this year.

[Da1potParticipant]

 Old(er) time  scoring point guards are ones like Gail Goodrich and Calvin Murphy who are in the hall of fame for their scoring ability- not because of their passing. Scoring points have been around as long as the game itself.

[DanEboyParticipant]

MikeyV…

The Bulls currently rank #1 in FG% allowed and #2 in points allowed.

They also rank #2 in rebounds.

And Noah/Boozer/Taj is a pretty formidable front line.

You should check your stats before making such statements….tsk tsk.

 

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

I thought I mentioned the Noah/Boozer/Taj thing, but alas I did not. Nonetheless, I feel the Bulls have some issues they have to deal with before contending. Mainly, their wing play is incredibly inconsistent. Believe me, I do like where the Bulls are going, I just think that the kid is kind of going premature like he has Shannon Elizabeth naked in his room.  

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