[Spud JordanParticipant]

I don’t understand how you can say Sam Hinkie’s time is running out after he just completed a successful trade deadline. MCW will never be a franchise point guard, by receiving picks for him now ensures you get the highest possible return. Furthermore, by stockpiling picks the Sixers will be able to draft a star and other complimentary pieces and/or trade for a star and complimentary pieces. The sky truly is the limit for the future.

The way the Sixers are going about their rebuilding project may be angering people but if it works then Sam Hinkie is a genius for the way he went about it. Theres no reason to be mediocre when you can attempt to be great.

[teamcb3Participant]

Eventually Hinkie needs to start developing talent.  Maybe MCW would never be a star, but he was a piece.  KJ McDaniels was a piece.  He still has Embiid and Saric who could become his stars, and MCW and KJ could have become great role players for this team.  What if the Lakers bounce back next year, sign a few stars, and this pick ends up falling out of the lottery?  Was that worth trading MCW for?  Eventually Hinkie needs to stop star chasing the draft by giving up valueable players on his roster, and if he feels he needs a new star at least try and chase one via trade.  This could end up being awful for Philly if the Lakers pick is not a good one.  I feel bad for the fan base at this point, because everytime there appears to be hope the team goes back in the gutter again. 

[teamcb3Participant]

Eventually Hinkie needs to start developing talent.  Maybe MCW would never be a star, but he was a piece.  KJ McDaniels was a piece.  He still has Embiid and Saric who could become his stars, and MCW and KJ could have become great role players for this team.  What if the Lakers bounce back next year, sign a few stars, and this pick ends up falling out of the lottery?  Was that worth trading MCW for?  Eventually Hinkie needs to stop star chasing the draft by giving up valueable players on his roster, and if he feels he needs a new star at least try and chase one via trade.  This could end up being awful for Philly if the Lakers pick is not a good one.  I feel bad for the fan base at this point, because everytime there appears to be hope the team goes back in the gutter again. 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 Geeze some of you Philly fans are just ridiculous.  He just traded away two of your best 3 players for absolutely nothing tangible.  Those picks are fairy dust right now and you are cool with that?  The sky is truly the limit for the future??  Considering you have 1 player on your roster you know can play at an average level in Noel.  Embiid hasn’t played an NBA minute, Saric hasn’t played an NBA minute.  

Granted I know some of you fans are all for this decade long rebuild that is about to take place, but I know there are also smart ones, and there is no way they can be cool with this.

 No reason to be mediocre when you can ATTEMPT to be great?  lol… wow man.  Just wow.  Guess what, you can still be medicore and ATTEMPT to be great.  That’s just a loser mentality, and guess what… even if you get all these hypothetical susperstars you believe you are going to draft, you won’t be able to get rid of that loser mentality.  He has really pulled a fast one over on you.  

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 Geeze some of you Philly fans are just ridiculous.  He just traded away two of your best 3 players for absolutely nothing tangible.  Those picks are fairy dust right now and you are cool with that?  The sky is truly the limit for the future??  Considering you have 1 player on your roster you know can play at an average level in Noel.  Embiid hasn’t played an NBA minute, Saric hasn’t played an NBA minute.  

Granted I know some of you fans are all for this decade long rebuild that is about to take place, but I know there are also smart ones, and there is no way they can be cool with this.

 No reason to be mediocre when you can ATTEMPT to be great?  lol… wow man.  Just wow.  Guess what, you can still be medicore and ATTEMPT to be great.  That’s just a loser mentality, and guess what… even if you get all these hypothetical susperstars you believe you are going to draft, you won’t be able to get rid of that loser mentality.  He has really pulled a fast one over on you.  

[Buckets21Participant]

I definitely don’t agree with what Hinkie is doing 100%, but there is logic behind both of those moves. And it is only a decade long rebuild if embiid, Noel, Saric and whoever we pick in the next couple of years don’t work out. I doubt MCW and McDaniels were the difference between a 5 and 10 year rebuild. I do agree that at some point Hinkie has to stop trading for future picks.

 I think with McDaniels it was a littles reminiscent of Wesley Matthews when he was a rookie (less productive and not going to get the same money) because he signed a 1 year deal and will be a RFA after the season. It’s possible the sixers thought McDaniels would get an offer from someone for more than they valued him and wouoldn’t match it, so they got what they could for him.

With MCW, he’s shown some flashes, has good rebound and assist numbers, but he can’t shoot and is putting up those numbers on a terrible team. I think there are a lot of players who could put up 15 PPG on 38% shooting with 4.2 TOPG. Again it is not to say MCW is awful and has no value, but he clearly has flaws and certainly is not untradeable. Where the Lakers pick ends up being is going to be the determining factor of whether this was a good or bad trade. If it ends up inside of the top 10 this year or next then it was probably good value in my opinion.

The sixers were mediocre for a decade and tried to build through trades for Chris Webber,  free agency with elton Brand or overvaluing their own players like Andre Iguodala. I certainly don’t think this plan is flawless, but you need a star to win and the only way the sixers can get a star is through the draft, it’s not coming through free agency. At least they have more of a chance of getting a star now than when the day started. 

 

 

 

[Buckets21Participant]

I definitely don’t agree with what Hinkie is doing 100%, but there is logic behind both of those moves. And it is only a decade long rebuild if embiid, Noel, Saric and whoever we pick in the next couple of years don’t work out. I doubt MCW and McDaniels were the difference between a 5 and 10 year rebuild. I do agree that at some point Hinkie has to stop trading for future picks.

 I think with McDaniels it was a littles reminiscent of Wesley Matthews when he was a rookie (less productive and not going to get the same money) because he signed a 1 year deal and will be a RFA after the season. It’s possible the sixers thought McDaniels would get an offer from someone for more than they valued him and wouoldn’t match it, so they got what they could for him.

With MCW, he’s shown some flashes, has good rebound and assist numbers, but he can’t shoot and is putting up those numbers on a terrible team. I think there are a lot of players who could put up 15 PPG on 38% shooting with 4.2 TOPG. Again it is not to say MCW is awful and has no value, but he clearly has flaws and certainly is not untradeable. Where the Lakers pick ends up being is going to be the determining factor of whether this was a good or bad trade. If it ends up inside of the top 10 this year or next then it was probably good value in my opinion.

The sixers were mediocre for a decade and tried to build through trades for Chris Webber,  free agency with elton Brand or overvaluing their own players like Andre Iguodala. I certainly don’t think this plan is flawless, but you need a star to win and the only way the sixers can get a star is through the draft, it’s not coming through free agency. At least they have more of a chance of getting a star now than when the day started. 

 

 

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 I agree with most of what you say, but that also assumes that if the pick is number 10 from the Lakers that you will get some equally as good or better than MCW.  And that just simply is not the case.  If you re-do that draft, MCW probably goes top 5.  Granted it is a pretty weak draft, but that is still saying something.  The chances of getting a player as good as MCW at 10 I don’t think are that high.  There is something to be said about getting a top 5 player from a class at the 10 spot.  To sell high on him is one thing, but to turn it into another unknown is just dumb to me.  Lakers are keeping their pick this year, and will definitely be a lottery team next year too.  The old saying is true though, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.  For Hinkie it is the other way around though.

What really impresses me in this whole situation is the owner.  I mean let’s be real, all of us have dreamnt of owning a team and playing 2k with it… and this mother fucker is living that dream.  Banking on the success of all the other teams so he doesn’t lose money, while he just dicks off and spooges in the face of the 76ers fans.  Some are into that sort of freaky thing, some are not.

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 I agree with most of what you say, but that also assumes that if the pick is number 10 from the Lakers that you will get some equally as good or better than MCW.  And that just simply is not the case.  If you re-do that draft, MCW probably goes top 5.  Granted it is a pretty weak draft, but that is still saying something.  The chances of getting a player as good as MCW at 10 I don’t think are that high.  There is something to be said about getting a top 5 player from a class at the 10 spot.  To sell high on him is one thing, but to turn it into another unknown is just dumb to me.  Lakers are keeping their pick this year, and will definitely be a lottery team next year too.  The old saying is true though, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.  For Hinkie it is the other way around though.

What really impresses me in this whole situation is the owner.  I mean let’s be real, all of us have dreamnt of owning a team and playing 2k with it… and this mother fucker is living that dream.  Banking on the success of all the other teams so he doesn’t lose money, while he just dicks off and spooges in the face of the 76ers fans.  Some are into that sort of freaky thing, some are not.

 

[220Participant]

It’s possible the Lakers pick falls out of the top 5 this year depending on their record at the end of the year and the draft lottery. Clearly there’s a better chance that the Lakers keep the pick this year.

Even with all the reports that the 76ers were looking to deal MCW I thought it wouldn’t happen. I guess I should’ve taken the reports more seriously.

 

 

[220Participant]

It’s possible the Lakers pick falls out of the top 5 this year depending on their record at the end of the year and the draft lottery. Clearly there’s a better chance that the Lakers keep the pick this year.

Even with all the reports that the 76ers were looking to deal MCW I thought it wouldn’t happen. I guess I should’ve taken the reports more seriously.

 

 

[Buckets21Participant]

I’m not assuming that the pick from the Lakers is going to be better than MCW, that pick for all we know could be the 18th pick next year (I doubt it) but it’s only top 3 protected next year, so there is a chance the Sixers could get a very talented player. Will that player be better than MCW? No one knows. But again I just think people are overvaluing MCW. He’s the best offensive player on the worst offensive team in the league, of course he is going to put up numbers. I think that if you put Delon Wright into the Sixers starting lineup and let him shoot 15 shots per game he could put up close to 15 ppg. And no I don’t think Delon Wright is as good as MCW. If the Sixers had kept MCW I wouldn’t have called it dumb, but I also don’t think getting the Lakers pick back in return is a bad trade, it’s surprising value for him in my opinion.

Totally agree about the owner, I’d have a hard time doing what they are doing right now. But personally I’m the type of fan who wants to either win the championship or be doing whatever it takes to compete for the championship. Other fans are happy with being the 8 seed every year because they get to watch a playoff series with their favorite team in it. That is brutal for me and I’m more upset when a team is stagnant and happy with being mediocre, making no moves to get into that upper echelon for fear that god forbid they go from 8th in the east to 12th. I don’t know how I feel about Hinkie’s plan yet, once he trades away a player with star value trying to draft a superstar I think then I’ll agree with you 100%.

 

 

 

 

 

[Buckets21Participant]

I’m not assuming that the pick from the Lakers is going to be better than MCW, that pick for all we know could be the 18th pick next year (I doubt it) but it’s only top 3 protected next year, so there is a chance the Sixers could get a very talented player. Will that player be better than MCW? No one knows. But again I just think people are overvaluing MCW. He’s the best offensive player on the worst offensive team in the league, of course he is going to put up numbers. I think that if you put Delon Wright into the Sixers starting lineup and let him shoot 15 shots per game he could put up close to 15 ppg. And no I don’t think Delon Wright is as good as MCW. If the Sixers had kept MCW I wouldn’t have called it dumb, but I also don’t think getting the Lakers pick back in return is a bad trade, it’s surprising value for him in my opinion.

Totally agree about the owner, I’d have a hard time doing what they are doing right now. But personally I’m the type of fan who wants to either win the championship or be doing whatever it takes to compete for the championship. Other fans are happy with being the 8 seed every year because they get to watch a playoff series with their favorite team in it. That is brutal for me and I’m more upset when a team is stagnant and happy with being mediocre, making no moves to get into that upper echelon for fear that god forbid they go from 8th in the east to 12th. I don’t know how I feel about Hinkie’s plan yet, once he trades away a player with star value trying to draft a superstar I think then I’ll agree with you 100%.

 

 

 

 

 

[tfo1983Participant]

I really like MCW. He’s a solid PG who can run an offense for these "superstars" that you will draft. But pgs are a dime a dozen in today’s game, so he was expendable. However, I think he is a trendsetter in his approach to rebuilding an awful team. He’s only run the team for 1 1/2 years, so it takes time.

With that said, there is such a thing as being "too young." I agree that McDaniels could definitely get overpaid this summer, though I love his game and potential so that was a smart move. However, they need to be active on draft night with all those picks and look to pick up some established players.

I like this draft, but I think there is only one true slam dunk franchise player (Okafor). Mudiay and Russell could possibly be in that category, but that’s where it ends. Mudiay is tough to judge since I don’t live in China. Russell looks great at OSU, but I guess he’s a franchise guy and a great complementary player. This draft is loaded with solid talent, but it’s not like it’s 2003 guys.

 

 

 

  

[tfo1983Participant]

I really like MCW. He’s a solid PG who can run an offense for these "superstars" that you will draft. But pgs are a dime a dozen in today’s game, so he was expendable. However, I think he is a trendsetter in his approach to rebuilding an awful team. He’s only run the team for 1 1/2 years, so it takes time.

With that said, there is such a thing as being "too young." I agree that McDaniels could definitely get overpaid this summer, though I love his game and potential so that was a smart move. However, they need to be active on draft night with all those picks and look to pick up some established players.

I like this draft, but I think there is only one true slam dunk franchise player (Okafor). Mudiay and Russell could possibly be in that category, but that’s where it ends. Mudiay is tough to judge since I don’t live in China. Russell looks great at OSU, but I guess he’s a franchise guy and a great complementary player. This draft is loaded with solid talent, but it’s not like it’s 2003 guys.

 

 

 

  

[Spud JordanParticipant]

 I’m not a Philly fan whatsoever I just think that the future is more valuable than average players right now.  It’s not like MCW and other pieces like Thad would add up to a champsionship caliber team.  Also a loser mentality will not stick if the players understand the thought process. 

[Spud JordanParticipant]

 I’m not a Philly fan whatsoever I just think that the future is more valuable than average players right now.  It’s not like MCW and other pieces like Thad would add up to a champsionship caliber team.  Also a loser mentality will not stick if the players understand the thought process. 

[mgreener_34Participant]

 The players aren’t staying on the team long enough to care. Who wants to play for a team where you constantly have to look over your shoulder after every good game you have? Players like stability, that’s why they sometimes take longer deals for less money, or go play for teams that are closer to their family/friends. I understand the "it’s a business" aspect of it, but beleive me, no player is going to buy into the chopping block that is Philly. 

[mgreener_34Participant]

 The players aren’t staying on the team long enough to care. Who wants to play for a team where you constantly have to look over your shoulder after every good game you have? Players like stability, that’s why they sometimes take longer deals for less money, or go play for teams that are closer to their family/friends. I understand the "it’s a business" aspect of it, but beleive me, no player is going to buy into the chopping block that is Philly. 

[mgreener_34Participant]

 The criticism is deserved, like an above poster stated, they just traded two of their best players for nothing to contribute this year, and have only added a concensus knicklehead in McGee. The Sixers are already on the second year of their rebuild, and are essentially starting over. They are going to have atleast 3 rookies on their roster next year unless they make some more moves, and that just isn’t what wins basketball games. I think that’s what is getting lost in all of this, and why so many people are angered by it, but the 76’ers are not trying to WIN. That is just demoralizing to a fanbase to be honest.

So you’re already on year 2 of your rebuild, and you just start over? These things take time, a lot of time to come together, and even then you’re talking about a lot of things falling into place. What if Embiid can’t stay healthy? What if Saric is just another Jan Vesely? Who’s your PG? Your SG? Your SF? It’s going to take at least the first contract to really understand what you got, and by that time you’re on year 6 of a rebuild…that’s just not right. 

[mgreener_34Participant]

 The criticism is deserved, like an above poster stated, they just traded two of their best players for nothing to contribute this year, and have only added a concensus knicklehead in McGee. The Sixers are already on the second year of their rebuild, and are essentially starting over. They are going to have atleast 3 rookies on their roster next year unless they make some more moves, and that just isn’t what wins basketball games. I think that’s what is getting lost in all of this, and why so many people are angered by it, but the 76’ers are not trying to WIN. That is just demoralizing to a fanbase to be honest.

So you’re already on year 2 of your rebuild, and you just start over? These things take time, a lot of time to come together, and even then you’re talking about a lot of things falling into place. What if Embiid can’t stay healthy? What if Saric is just another Jan Vesely? Who’s your PG? Your SG? Your SF? It’s going to take at least the first contract to really understand what you got, and by that time you’re on year 6 of a rebuild…that’s just not right. 

[Spud JordanParticipant]

See I don’t agree.  I beleive the Sixers are tying to follow the OKC model and develop a team through the draft by attempting to get two to three stars.  Usually free agents do not wish to go to Philadelphia so this is the best option.  A four year rebuild may seem long but the potential rewards completely outweigh the negative possibilities.

[Spud JordanParticipant]

See I don’t agree.  I beleive the Sixers are tying to follow the OKC model and develop a team through the draft by attempting to get two to three stars.  Usually free agents do not wish to go to Philadelphia so this is the best option.  A four year rebuild may seem long but the potential rewards completely outweigh the negative possibilities.

[mgreener_34Participant]

 You guys are the exact oposite of the OKC model. The OKC model is to draft guys and develope them into a certain role, and then trade them for assetts when they want a bigger role. You guys are skipping over the whole developement part of it. 

Also, it’s not going to be a 4 year rebuild. How can you delude yourself into thinking such a thing? Next year is already year 3, and you only have one player who’s going to be in the starting lineup currently playing. Embiid and Saric will be rookies, as will be whoever you guys take this year. It’s going to take some time before those players catch on in the league, if they do at all. This isn’t a 4 year rebuild, you’re looking at a 6 year rebuild minimum man!

[mgreener_34Participant]

 You guys are the exact oposite of the OKC model. The OKC model is to draft guys and develope them into a certain role, and then trade them for assetts when they want a bigger role. You guys are skipping over the whole developement part of it. 

Also, it’s not going to be a 4 year rebuild. How can you delude yourself into thinking such a thing? Next year is already year 3, and you only have one player who’s going to be in the starting lineup currently playing. Embiid and Saric will be rookies, as will be whoever you guys take this year. It’s going to take some time before those players catch on in the league, if they do at all. This isn’t a 4 year rebuild, you’re looking at a 6 year rebuild minimum man!

[Spud JordanParticipant]

The Sixers need the right players to follow the OKC model which they have not had.  I agree with you that its probably more along the lines of a six year rebuild and I can see why you think the MCW trade was bad.  But I truly beleive that by stockpiling the picks will how the Sixers to get better assets than what they have now.  I also am not that high on MCW either.  Yes he won rookie of the year but so did Damon Stoudamire. 

[Spud JordanParticipant]

The Sixers need the right players to follow the OKC model which they have not had.  I agree with you that its probably more along the lines of a six year rebuild and I can see why you think the MCW trade was bad.  But I truly beleive that by stockpiling the picks will how the Sixers to get better assets than what they have now.  I also am not that high on MCW either.  Yes he won rookie of the year but so did Damon Stoudamire. 

[teamcb3Participant]

Even with the OKC model what was it Durant’s 4th or 5th year before he even made the playoffs, and that was also while landing Harden, Westbrook and Ibaka in back to back drafts.  Sadly I think the OKC model is more of a myth than anything.  What model has you drafting three top 5 players in the NBA in three straight drafts?  If that was the case then why are there teams that pick at the bottom of the draft year after year?  The OKC model is just as much luck as it was skill, and it is doubtful we ever see a team draft with that kind of results again.  If the Sixers hit on Saric and Embiid, and hit on their pick this coming year, it looks like even following in OKC’s footsteps we should expect to see them in the playoffs in about 2020
 

 

[teamcb3Participant]

Even with the OKC model what was it Durant’s 4th or 5th year before he even made the playoffs, and that was also while landing Harden, Westbrook and Ibaka in back to back drafts.  Sadly I think the OKC model is more of a myth than anything.  What model has you drafting three top 5 players in the NBA in three straight drafts?  If that was the case then why are there teams that pick at the bottom of the draft year after year?  The OKC model is just as much luck as it was skill, and it is doubtful we ever see a team draft with that kind of results again.  If the Sixers hit on Saric and Embiid, and hit on their pick this coming year, it looks like even following in OKC’s footsteps we should expect to see them in the playoffs in about 2020
 

 

[thparadoxParticipant]

It wasn’t luck. It was probabilities. They went for the most talented players and it paid off.

Even if they messed up and Harden was a bust, they would still have been contenders for the last few years. They continued to make smart decisions with Ibaka, Reggie Jackson,  and Steven Adams.

Rebuilding through the draft is smart. They happened to hit 3 home runs in 3 years. But even if they had only hit 2, the strategy would have worked.

[thparadoxParticipant]

It wasn’t luck. It was probabilities. They went for the most talented players and it paid off.

Even if they messed up and Harden was a bust, they would still have been contenders for the last few years. They continued to make smart decisions with Ibaka, Reggie Jackson,  and Steven Adams.

Rebuilding through the draft is smart. They happened to hit 3 home runs in 3 years. But even if they had only hit 2, the strategy would have worked.

[Spud JordanParticipant]

I believe your right and I agree it will take time.  I’m not too concerned with the time range right now.  I know most other people here will completely disagree with my thought process but sometimes taking the time will end up making it work in the end.  Even with companies, many start in the red for four to five years and once they truly have the right components, then they start producing profits and being in the green. 

[Spud JordanParticipant]

I believe your right and I agree it will take time.  I’m not too concerned with the time range right now.  I know most other people here will completely disagree with my thought process but sometimes taking the time will end up making it work in the end.  Even with companies, many start in the red for four to five years and once they truly have the right components, then they start producing profits and being in the green. 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

Is that you Sam?  I kid I kid.

You are right about having to start somewhere to make it somewhere.  The 76ers already started, believed they didn’t make it anyways and are starting again.  So I am assuming that once Embiid and Saric only put up 13 ppg their rookie years they will be shipped out and they will be starting for a 3rd time lol.

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

Is that you Sam?  I kid I kid.

You are right about having to start somewhere to make it somewhere.  The 76ers already started, believed they didn’t make it anyways and are starting again.  So I am assuming that once Embiid and Saric only put up 13 ppg their rookie years they will be shipped out and they will be starting for a 3rd time lol.

 

[ballislyfe25Participant]

 I really don’t like trading MCW for future picks. Chances are they don’t get the Lakers’ pick from the Suns, and I just don’t see them getting a player better than MCW despite trading him.

Why couldn’t they continue to develop he and K.J. and have them be pieces of the larger whole? Maybe MCW was never going to be a star but, at his ceiling, he could have been your 4th or 5th best starter on a serious playoff team. He has length, handles, and has never played with an average or even below-average NBA team. When your best professional teammates have been Thad Young, Evan Turner, and Spencer Hawes, how can your potential and development (specifically, basketball IQ and shooting, both of which are very tough to gauge when playing in a situation such as the one in Philly) be properly assessed? These questions will be answered in Milwaukee and I’d place my money on Carter-Williams playing better and more efficiently.

Wasn’t this the guy that had a triple-double in his NBA debut against King James and the defending NBA champion Miami Heat? Who continues to post triple-doubles and contribute to wins despite the awful talent around him? I was all for Hinkie’s plan but after this trade I am very skeptical.

 

[ballislyfe25Participant]

 I really don’t like trading MCW for future picks. Chances are they don’t get the Lakers’ pick from the Suns, and I just don’t see them getting a player better than MCW despite trading him.

Why couldn’t they continue to develop he and K.J. and have them be pieces of the larger whole? Maybe MCW was never going to be a star but, at his ceiling, he could have been your 4th or 5th best starter on a serious playoff team. He has length, handles, and has never played with an average or even below-average NBA team. When your best professional teammates have been Thad Young, Evan Turner, and Spencer Hawes, how can your potential and development (specifically, basketball IQ and shooting, both of which are very tough to gauge when playing in a situation such as the one in Philly) be properly assessed? These questions will be answered in Milwaukee and I’d place my money on Carter-Williams playing better and more efficiently.

Wasn’t this the guy that had a triple-double in his NBA debut against King James and the defending NBA champion Miami Heat? Who continues to post triple-doubles and contribute to wins despite the awful talent around him? I was all for Hinkie’s plan but after this trade I am very skeptical.

 

[Spud JordanParticipant]

 I agree the MCW trade isn’t the best since they may not get any real value from it depending on the Lakers but they must not think MCW has enough potential.  I think with how the NBA is set up currently you need one of your top 3 players to be a point guard, which MCW could never be.  MCW’s teammates were not great but you can judge on other intagibles from how he played. 

I truly believe after this years draft we will be able to better guage Hinkie’s plan.  But for now I can’t criticise how he is setting this tem up in the future to have an opportunity to be very succesful.  The owners of the Sixers are willing to be patient.  Thet didn’t buy the team to win now but rather later since its a long-term investment. 

 

 

[Spud JordanParticipant]

 I agree the MCW trade isn’t the best since they may not get any real value from it depending on the Lakers but they must not think MCW has enough potential.  I think with how the NBA is set up currently you need one of your top 3 players to be a point guard, which MCW could never be.  MCW’s teammates were not great but you can judge on other intagibles from how he played. 

I truly believe after this years draft we will be able to better guage Hinkie’s plan.  But for now I can’t criticise how he is setting this tem up in the future to have an opportunity to be very succesful.  The owners of the Sixers are willing to be patient.  Thet didn’t buy the team to win now but rather later since its a long-term investment. 

 

 

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

The rules of the game are not "don’t judge me until I succeed." Every coach and GM have to operate under a clock. It is not fixed across all owners and fanbases, but it is there. The teardown is much easier than the build, and to extend the period of a teardown should not result in a subsequent extension of building time. Also, I fail to see the genius in effectively saying "the only way to win is if I stumble into a no doubt franchise-altering talent." I see a lot more intelligence in what Atlanta has done with their roster, San Antonio winning a title with one lottery pick on their roster, the myriad of moves Golden State has made to create their current team after a run where they made the playoffs once in twenty years, and Washington having gotten healthy by ridding themselves of talented knuckleheads and allowing their young players to grow with true professionals around them.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

The rules of the game are not "don’t judge me until I succeed." Every coach and GM have to operate under a clock. It is not fixed across all owners and fanbases, but it is there. The teardown is much easier than the build, and to extend the period of a teardown should not result in a subsequent extension of building time. Also, I fail to see the genius in effectively saying "the only way to win is if I stumble into a no doubt franchise-altering talent." I see a lot more intelligence in what Atlanta has done with their roster, San Antonio winning a title with one lottery pick on their roster, the myriad of moves Golden State has made to create their current team after a run where they made the playoffs once in twenty years, and Washington having gotten healthy by ridding themselves of talented knuckleheads and allowing their young players to grow with true professionals around them.

[Spud JordanParticipant]

I agree that GM’s only have so much time but the thing is that owners do have a lot of time.  Maybe since the owners have a business background and are willing to wait a bit.  Also what the Hawks have is great along with the Spurs but not many NBA teams can pull off what they do (obviously).  

[Spud JordanParticipant]

I agree that GM’s only have so much time but the thing is that owners do have a lot of time.  Maybe since the owners have a business background and are willing to wait a bit.  Also what the Hawks have is great along with the Spurs but not many NBA teams can pull off what they do (obviously).  

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Wait for what? What owner is going to hold off judgment on assessing the direction of the team and the ability of the person in charge to lead the team in the future? Sam Hinkie has been in the job for two years. It is on his record. He has had four lottery picks. He drafted two guys who were injured, one who could not come over as he was contracted in Europe, and he just traded the fourth. I feel really uncomfortable being critical of Nerlens Noel, because everything about him that would be concerning was known on draft night. He was hurt and going to miss the year. Also, he was extremely raw and physically slight. It is not his fault he is in a position where the team has so little else of impactful short term or even long-term substance. If you had to assess Hinkie right now on the 2013 draft, it is hard to speak highly of it. Neither of his 2014 picks have played in the NBA, and he traded the 32nd overall pick. Even the other young players, I fail to see where Jerami Grant, JaKarr Sampson, Henry Sims, Furkan Aldemir, Robert Covington, and Hollis Thompson can be looked upon as anything more than fringe guys needing a fit only to be on a team where they cannot possibly fit because the team does not know what it wants to be. The guy with the most potential was Tony Wroten. Even there, he was a Carter-Williams duplicate (big point with very limited range), and now comes with the unfortunate uncertainty of coming off a torn ACL.

I’m not making the case that Hinkie has to go right now, but there is absolutely no reason to praise him much less think that he is the smartest person in the room. All he has down is tear it down. The much-maligned David Kahn tore down Minnesota, and acquired a ton of young players and first round picks. Does that matter? Of course not. He is judged on building a team, and he failed to do so in four years. Why should the rules of the game be any different for Sam Hinkie? He ought to show that he is good at his job before being praised.

Furthermore, I fully understand that not everyone can be the Spurs. I also understand that there is a difference in being in a winning team’s environment and that of a team playing out the string. I cannot quantify it, but I absolutely believe that the extent to which Draymond Green has developed in Golden State would not have happened if he went to a losing team. (I can go on and on with these stories on many contending teams, but would have to go through the full army of Duncanites in San Antonio which would take a lot of time). I am a believer in the old Chris Rock joke that there is difference between having a career and having a job, and it holds true in professional sports. If a team is taking the approach of Philadelphia, I feel as though it is absolutely fair to question if this approach to rebuilding is hindering player development.

Also, luck does come into play, but as is often the case a person/organization putting himself/itself into a position to get lucky counts. I never would have thought that after paying Joakim Noah and Taj Gibson what they did that the Bulls would have been able to sign Pau Gasol. I thought given how Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap carried a pitiful Jazz team into the playoffs one year and playoff contention another that they would have gotten more respect around the league. Millsap didn’t, signed with Atlanta for a fraction of what Kevin Love has received, and now the Hawks are dangerous. Dallas (and for that matter San Antonio) have been written off for dead many times over in the past, and they have made their share of mistakes in the draft, free agency, and trades. Yet, they have never fallen too far off the pace, and are right there again with an impressively deep roster. The Clippers are not where they are if David Stern had not vetoed the trade to the Lakers. Even conceding that much, no team should want to be in a spot where all you have to go on is luck.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Wait for what? What owner is going to hold off judgment on assessing the direction of the team and the ability of the person in charge to lead the team in the future? Sam Hinkie has been in the job for two years. It is on his record. He has had four lottery picks. He drafted two guys who were injured, one who could not come over as he was contracted in Europe, and he just traded the fourth. I feel really uncomfortable being critical of Nerlens Noel, because everything about him that would be concerning was known on draft night. He was hurt and going to miss the year. Also, he was extremely raw and physically slight. It is not his fault he is in a position where the team has so little else of impactful short term or even long-term substance. If you had to assess Hinkie right now on the 2013 draft, it is hard to speak highly of it. Neither of his 2014 picks have played in the NBA, and he traded the 32nd overall pick. Even the other young players, I fail to see where Jerami Grant, JaKarr Sampson, Henry Sims, Furkan Aldemir, Robert Covington, and Hollis Thompson can be looked upon as anything more than fringe guys needing a fit only to be on a team where they cannot possibly fit because the team does not know what it wants to be. The guy with the most potential was Tony Wroten. Even there, he was a Carter-Williams duplicate (big point with very limited range), and now comes with the unfortunate uncertainty of coming off a torn ACL.

I’m not making the case that Hinkie has to go right now, but there is absolutely no reason to praise him much less think that he is the smartest person in the room. All he has down is tear it down. The much-maligned David Kahn tore down Minnesota, and acquired a ton of young players and first round picks. Does that matter? Of course not. He is judged on building a team, and he failed to do so in four years. Why should the rules of the game be any different for Sam Hinkie? He ought to show that he is good at his job before being praised.

Furthermore, I fully understand that not everyone can be the Spurs. I also understand that there is a difference in being in a winning team’s environment and that of a team playing out the string. I cannot quantify it, but I absolutely believe that the extent to which Draymond Green has developed in Golden State would not have happened if he went to a losing team. (I can go on and on with these stories on many contending teams, but would have to go through the full army of Duncanites in San Antonio which would take a lot of time). I am a believer in the old Chris Rock joke that there is difference between having a career and having a job, and it holds true in professional sports. If a team is taking the approach of Philadelphia, I feel as though it is absolutely fair to question if this approach to rebuilding is hindering player development.

Also, luck does come into play, but as is often the case a person/organization putting himself/itself into a position to get lucky counts. I never would have thought that after paying Joakim Noah and Taj Gibson what they did that the Bulls would have been able to sign Pau Gasol. I thought given how Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap carried a pitiful Jazz team into the playoffs one year and playoff contention another that they would have gotten more respect around the league. Millsap didn’t, signed with Atlanta for a fraction of what Kevin Love has received, and now the Hawks are dangerous. Dallas (and for that matter San Antonio) have been written off for dead many times over in the past, and they have made their share of mistakes in the draft, free agency, and trades. Yet, they have never fallen too far off the pace, and are right there again with an impressively deep roster. The Clippers are not where they are if David Stern had not vetoed the trade to the Lakers. Even conceding that much, no team should want to be in a spot where all you have to go on is luck.

[r377Participant]

I have been saying for the past year that Hinkie and the Sixers are an absolute joke.

Their old team consistantly made the playoffs, they were only a piece or two away from contending. What did they do ? They go and sign injured players such as Brand, Bynum and J-Rich.

I know you kids love to neg me when I said they were better off before they blew up their roster but lets look at the Hawks. Same spot as the Sixers a few years back – making the playoffs but not getting anywhere. They go and sign Korver and Milsap and are now a championship contender. This could of been the Sixers !!! Hell, Korver even use to play for the Sixers. Now he is an all-star on a $5-6 mill per year contract.

No team in the modern era has won a championship with tanking and building a championship roster from high draft picks. The Sixers draft injured and o/s players, by the time their rookie contracts expire how many of them do you think will re-sign again the Sixers ?

MCW is the biggest winner, he gets out of Philly. Philly are the biggest whores, they shake your hand with one hand and stick a knife in your back with the other hand….

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 Amen brother.  It’s an absolute joke.  Everything you said is 100% accurate.  No team has won a ring building through the draft.  

The thing that gets me the most is how absolutely confident 76er fans are that this works.  Like it’s only a matter of time before they start winning or competing in championships.  I don’t wish ill on any fan base accept the Cavs and the Heat, so I hate to say that I would like to see the team continue to struggle, because Philly fans need some success after having to deal with this fiasco, but I would love to see their players accept qualifying offers when it’s time and bolt.  

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 Amen brother.  It’s an absolute joke.  Everything you said is 100% accurate.  No team has won a ring building through the draft.  

The thing that gets me the most is how absolutely confident 76er fans are that this works.  Like it’s only a matter of time before they start winning or competing in championships.  I don’t wish ill on any fan base accept the Cavs and the Heat, so I hate to say that I would like to see the team continue to struggle, because Philly fans need some success after having to deal with this fiasco, but I would love to see their players accept qualifying offers when it’s time and bolt.  

 

[r377Participant]

I have been saying for the past year that Hinkie and the Sixers are an absolute joke.

Their old team consistantly made the playoffs, they were only a piece or two away from contending. What did they do ? They go and sign injured players such as Brand, Bynum and J-Rich.

I know you kids love to neg me when I said they were better off before they blew up their roster but lets look at the Hawks. Same spot as the Sixers a few years back – making the playoffs but not getting anywhere. They go and sign Korver and Milsap and are now a championship contender. This could of been the Sixers !!! Hell, Korver even use to play for the Sixers. Now he is an all-star on a $5-6 mill per year contract.

No team in the modern era has won a championship with tanking and building a championship roster from high draft picks. The Sixers draft injured and o/s players, by the time their rookie contracts expire how many of them do you think will re-sign again the Sixers ?

MCW is the biggest winner, he gets out of Philly. Philly are the biggest whores, they shake your hand with one hand and stick a knife in your back with the other hand….

[thparadoxParticipant]

Sam Hinkie may be taking it to extremes, but smart teams build through the draft.

Portland almost was close to contending through the draft. Injuries killed them (Oden, Roy, Batum, Lamarcus Aldridge. Now that would have been a monster)

OKC built through the draft.

Houston set themselves up to build through the draft. Then plan B fell in their laps, which was trade all the assets for Harden and Dwight.

Spurs built through the draft. Duncan, Ginobili, Parker….. and now Kawhi Leonard.

Bulls drafted Rose, Jimmy Butler, Joakim Noah

Warriors drafted Curry, Klay and Draymond

 Rebuilding LOOKS BAD. Why? Because there are tons of STUPID TEAMS keep drafting like morons and hogging the lottery picks.

[thparadoxParticipant]

Sam Hinkie may be taking it to extremes, but smart teams build through the draft.

Portland almost was close to contending through the draft. Injuries killed them (Oden, Roy, Batum, Lamarcus Aldridge. Now that would have been a monster)

OKC built through the draft.

Houston set themselves up to build through the draft. Then plan B fell in their laps, which was trade all the assets for Harden and Dwight.

Spurs built through the draft. Duncan, Ginobili, Parker….. and now Kawhi Leonard.

Bulls drafted Rose, Jimmy Butler, Joakim Noah

Warriors drafted Curry, Klay and Draymond

 Rebuilding LOOKS BAD. Why? Because there are tons of STUPID TEAMS keep drafting like morons and hogging the lottery picks.

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

What I find funny is all the hate the 76ers are receiving for trading the 11th pick in a weak draft class(One which he won Rookie of the Year despite playing for my “joke” of a team in 2014)

They traded the 11th pick(MCW) for the Lakers 2015 pick(Top 5 protected), lets say the pick is the 6th pick this year at best and the 10th at worst, we still flipped MCW for a better projected pick and could land a better player on top of that…

Maybe the 76ers didn’t want a PG that couldn’t shoot from deep around Embiid, Noel and Saric…I’ll take the 6th pick for MCW, especially if we land a Top 3 pick with our own 1st rounder(and we still own Miami’s in the late teens/early 20’s)

I would love to grab Russell or Towns in the top 3(I feel like we never win the Lottery anyway, so I rule out Okafor) and then let’s see where the Laker/Heat picks fall(I’m praying for the 6th and 16th picks in the draft)

Also, I really like Hezonja/Oubre/Johnson at Sf so I’m targeting them with the Lakers pick, hopefully we get our Wings in this draft, there are some decent Sg and Sf prospects…

A lot people will criticize Sam Hinkie because the team has 12 wins and we’ve just traded away our “best” player, we will likely not win more than 18 games on the season and Embiid and Saric aren’t dressing up anytime soon…

But as a True 76ers fan, I’m allowing the GM and Ownership Group to rebuild the Team they feel the Fans deserve, Joel is a damm good prospect, Noel is a defensive prodigy with room to grow offensively, Saric is tearing it up in Europe against grown men and Tony Wroten can replicate what we had with MCW, I’m more concerned with who we draft these next 2 years and who’ll we try to land with all the CAP SPACE we have…Oh and what in sam hell do we do with Javale McGee???He’s a guy that could be a huge asset or flop depending on what’s in his head that day…

If you don’t like what my GM is doing, fine, thank the B Ball gods he’s not running your team and let us have are rebuild in peace…But I want no bandwagon jumping if/when these young guys gel and make Hinkie look like a Genius…

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

What I find funny is all the hate the 76ers are receiving for trading the 11th pick in a weak draft class(One which he won Rookie of the Year despite playing for my “joke” of a team in 2014)

They traded the 11th pick(MCW) for the Lakers 2015 pick(Top 5 protected), lets say the pick is the 6th pick this year at best and the 10th at worst, we still flipped MCW for a better projected pick and could land a better player on top of that…

Maybe the 76ers didn’t want a PG that couldn’t shoot from deep around Embiid, Noel and Saric…I’ll take the 6th pick for MCW, especially if we land a Top 3 pick with our own 1st rounder(and we still own Miami’s in the late teens/early 20’s)

I would love to grab Russell or Towns in the top 3(I feel like we never win the Lottery anyway, so I rule out Okafor) and then let’s see where the Laker/Heat picks fall(I’m praying for the 6th and 16th picks in the draft)

Also, I really like Hezonja/Oubre/Johnson at Sf so I’m targeting them with the Lakers pick, hopefully we get our Wings in this draft, there are some decent Sg and Sf prospects…

A lot people will criticize Sam Hinkie because the team has 12 wins and we’ve just traded away our “best” player, we will likely not win more than 18 games on the season and Embiid and Saric aren’t dressing up anytime soon…

But as a True 76ers fan, I’m allowing the GM and Ownership Group to rebuild the Team they feel the Fans deserve, Joel is a damm good prospect, Noel is a defensive prodigy with room to grow offensively, Saric is tearing it up in Europe against grown men and Tony Wroten can replicate what we had with MCW, I’m more concerned with who we draft these next 2 years and who’ll we try to land with all the CAP SPACE we have…Oh and what in sam hell do we do with Javale McGee???He’s a guy that could be a huge asset or flop depending on what’s in his head that day…

If you don’t like what my GM is doing, fine, thank the B Ball gods he’s not running your team and let us have are rebuild in peace…But I want no bandwagon jumping if/when these young guys gel and make Hinkie look like a Genius…

[DolanCareParticipant]

 Is MCW a generational talent? No. But what are the chances you are going to land a player better than him outside or at the bottom of the lottery? Slim. 

What is the point in trading a decent player for draft picks unless said draft picks are in the top 7? There’s no reason. Hinkie likes stats, then he should know the chances of great talent falling in the draft- let alone to your spot. 

But there is light at the end of the tunnel for Philly. They could hypothetically draft Mudiay or Russell then trade some of their dozens of picks for a veteran, maybe sign another…. whom ever these folks may be. 

Then they would have Mudiay/Russell, 2 solid vets, Noel, Embiid and Saric in a year…. that would look promising… Could even save Hinkie’s job for another stint. 

 

 

 

 

[DolanCareParticipant]

 Is MCW a generational talent? No. But what are the chances you are going to land a player better than him outside or at the bottom of the lottery? Slim. 

What is the point in trading a decent player for draft picks unless said draft picks are in the top 7? There’s no reason. Hinkie likes stats, then he should know the chances of great talent falling in the draft- let alone to your spot. 

But there is light at the end of the tunnel for Philly. They could hypothetically draft Mudiay or Russell then trade some of their dozens of picks for a veteran, maybe sign another…. whom ever these folks may be. 

Then they would have Mudiay/Russell, 2 solid vets, Noel, Embiid and Saric in a year…. that would look promising… Could even save Hinkie’s job for another stint. 

 

 

 

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 People keep saying the 76ers are starting over after trading MCW…that implies that they were somewhere to begin with. If the Lakers swing and miss on a bunch of free agents this offseason or sign average ones for more money than they deserve, the 76ers will have a top 7 pick in either this year or next yeards draft. 

I agree with BTPH that teams like the Hawks, Spurs and even Pacers built through the draft. But those teams got players to play above their draft slot. Paul George in a redraft would be a top 3 pick in that draft. Lance would’ve been a lottery pick and people knew he was talented just a headcase. Teague has exceeded expectations, Horford was a top 3 pick, and quite frankly the jury is still out on how good they will be come playoff time. The Spurs are still the exception to the rule. 

I’ve seen people say on here many times, in the NBA the cream rises to the top pretty quickly. If Philly puts themselves in position to bring in Joel Embiid, a top 3 pick this year, and two top 5 picks next year, you’ve got a lot of cream. Drafting is an inexact science, and Hinkie will absolutely have to nail these picks to validate this vision, but there’s alot better of a chance to find a transcendent level talent at the top of the draft. The more picks at the top, the better chances he finds a few. 

 

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 People keep saying the 76ers are starting over after trading MCW…that implies that they were somewhere to begin with. If the Lakers swing and miss on a bunch of free agents this offseason or sign average ones for more money than they deserve, the 76ers will have a top 7 pick in either this year or next yeards draft. 

I agree with BTPH that teams like the Hawks, Spurs and even Pacers built through the draft. But those teams got players to play above their draft slot. Paul George in a redraft would be a top 3 pick in that draft. Lance would’ve been a lottery pick and people knew he was talented just a headcase. Teague has exceeded expectations, Horford was a top 3 pick, and quite frankly the jury is still out on how good they will be come playoff time. The Spurs are still the exception to the rule. 

I’ve seen people say on here many times, in the NBA the cream rises to the top pretty quickly. If Philly puts themselves in position to bring in Joel Embiid, a top 3 pick this year, and two top 5 picks next year, you’ve got a lot of cream. Drafting is an inexact science, and Hinkie will absolutely have to nail these picks to validate this vision, but there’s alot better of a chance to find a transcendent level talent at the top of the draft. The more picks at the top, the better chances he finds a few. 

 

 

[tuck243Participant]

I didn’t think MCW was great, but look at how all the 76er’s fans back pedal on this…

Sam Hinkie is considered this "analytical genius" in y’all eyes, but the truth is he’s depending on a lot of LUCK to get things done.  There isn’t a generational talent in ANY of these drafts, this year or next year.  He has shown that player development isn’t his "thing" and he has a short leash on it.   You can’t say building through the draft works when he’s not keeping players long enough to see what works.  

What if Noel not the guy we expected him to be?  The NBA Draft is luck.  Sam Bowie was picked above Michael Jordan.   Darko was picked above Melo, Wade, and Bosh.   Do you realize how much LUCK is involved in picking through the draft alone?   Much less HOPING another team win enough to get pushed out of the Top 5 to receive that pick this year.

Hypothetically speaking, what if the 76er’s get a young nucleus that’s nice?   How long you think it will take to develop them?  3-4 years from the start of the 2016 season?   We’re literally talking 2019 at the earliest.   Even Kevin Durant didn’t touch the playoffs until his 3rd season and they got knocked out the playoffs in the first round.  That’s a team that "built" through the draft.  

Sam Hinkie took a playoff contention team (not to be confused with championship contending) and dismantled it.   Bare minimum, from the 2013 to 2019 season the 76ers will be at the bottom of the NBA even with great "potential" talent on the roster.   Currently, EVERYONE (including Hinkie) doesn’t know how these picks will turn out.   There’s nothing brilliant about taking a young playoff team and going into a 7year rebuilding project.  When in fact it’s more about luck than anything else…

There’s not a LeBron James, Tim Duncan, Dwight Howard, Kevin Durant, Greg Oden or what have you coming into the NBA the next 2 seasons.   Really UNDERSTAND that.  I love Okafor and Russell, but neither are considered generational talents.   Ben Simmons isn’t a generational talent either.  Understand just how much luck is involved with the draft process.   Then understand how much time is involved with developing players.   Sam Hinkie’s "idea" might seem enticing, but it’s a GREATER chance it’s not rewarding…

 

 

   

 

 

 

 

  

[tuck243Participant]

I didn’t think MCW was great, but look at how all the 76er’s fans back pedal on this…

Sam Hinkie is considered this "analytical genius" in y’all eyes, but the truth is he’s depending on a lot of LUCK to get things done.  There isn’t a generational talent in ANY of these drafts, this year or next year.  He has shown that player development isn’t his "thing" and he has a short leash on it.   You can’t say building through the draft works when he’s not keeping players long enough to see what works.  

What if Noel not the guy we expected him to be?  The NBA Draft is luck.  Sam Bowie was picked above Michael Jordan.   Darko was picked above Melo, Wade, and Bosh.   Do you realize how much LUCK is involved in picking through the draft alone?   Much less HOPING another team win enough to get pushed out of the Top 5 to receive that pick this year.

Hypothetically speaking, what if the 76er’s get a young nucleus that’s nice?   How long you think it will take to develop them?  3-4 years from the start of the 2016 season?   We’re literally talking 2019 at the earliest.   Even Kevin Durant didn’t touch the playoffs until his 3rd season and they got knocked out the playoffs in the first round.  That’s a team that "built" through the draft.  

Sam Hinkie took a playoff contention team (not to be confused with championship contending) and dismantled it.   Bare minimum, from the 2013 to 2019 season the 76ers will be at the bottom of the NBA even with great "potential" talent on the roster.   Currently, EVERYONE (including Hinkie) doesn’t know how these picks will turn out.   There’s nothing brilliant about taking a young playoff team and going into a 7year rebuilding project.  When in fact it’s more about luck than anything else…

There’s not a LeBron James, Tim Duncan, Dwight Howard, Kevin Durant, Greg Oden or what have you coming into the NBA the next 2 seasons.   Really UNDERSTAND that.  I love Okafor and Russell, but neither are considered generational talents.   Ben Simmons isn’t a generational talent either.  Understand just how much luck is involved with the draft process.   Then understand how much time is involved with developing players.   Sam Hinkie’s "idea" might seem enticing, but it’s a GREATER chance it’s not rewarding…

 

 

   

 

 

 

 

  

[sitlbitoParticipant]

I wanted to answer some posts,but I realized I could have anwered to all of you,lol,so I will just put my random thoughts here. You have to develop your players. Even if it’s MCDaniels or MCW!!!! You can’t act like OKC drafted the westbrook we see today. They drafted a point guard who couldn’t shoot,who was turn over proned. They developped him. They drafted Harden,played him for 3 years,and got a pick who’s named Steven Adams. Jeff Teague and Korver didn’t exceed expectations in Atlanta,they were put in a position to succeed. You have to improve with the players you have,and trade them if you want but only at the last possible time.

[sitlbitoParticipant]

I wanted to answer some posts,but I realized I could have anwered to all of you,lol,so I will just put my random thoughts here. You have to develop your players. Even if it’s MCDaniels or MCW!!!! You can’t act like OKC drafted the westbrook we see today. They drafted a point guard who couldn’t shoot,who was turn over proned. They developped him. They drafted Harden,played him for 3 years,and got a pick who’s named Steven Adams. Jeff Teague and Korver didn’t exceed expectations in Atlanta,they were put in a position to succeed. You have to improve with the players you have,and trade them if you want but only at the last possible time.

[Ghost01Participant]

 I am fine with what Hinkie did this week…

MCW is largely overrated. People forget, before he was the tank-master, Hinkie worked in Houston. MCW is basically everything Houston wouldn’t want. He can’t shoot, he isn’t effficient, he doesn’t finish at the rim, and he turns the ball over.

He has good counting stats because he has spent his career mostly playing with D Leaguers.

KJ McDaniels showed signs, but still had a 10 PER. 

He got a valuable pick that will probably either be 6-10 this year or 4-10 next year. The Sixers are still miles away, but saying he has no asssets isn’t true either. Embiid, Noel, and Saric are assets, even if they are not well known. If he gets two 10 guys this year, he will have 5 legit assets going forward. 

If I was a fan of a lottery team, I would much prefer this system to a team like the Nuggets or Kings toiling around with no plan and no future. 

[Ghost01Participant]

 I am fine with what Hinkie did this week…

MCW is largely overrated. People forget, before he was the tank-master, Hinkie worked in Houston. MCW is basically everything Houston wouldn’t want. He can’t shoot, he isn’t effficient, he doesn’t finish at the rim, and he turns the ball over.

He has good counting stats because he has spent his career mostly playing with D Leaguers.

KJ McDaniels showed signs, but still had a 10 PER. 

He got a valuable pick that will probably either be 6-10 this year or 4-10 next year. The Sixers are still miles away, but saying he has no asssets isn’t true either. Embiid, Noel, and Saric are assets, even if they are not well known. If he gets two 10 guys this year, he will have 5 legit assets going forward. 

If I was a fan of a lottery team, I would much prefer this system to a team like the Nuggets or Kings toiling around with no plan and no future. 

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