I've always been intrigued by him. If he wanted to, I really think he could be on the level of LeBron James and Kevin Durant. He's super athletic, has a good jumpshot, and can lockdown.
But it's just never fully been there.
2nd or 3rd favorite non-heat player
if i had to say, i would attribute his inconsistencies to the fact that his style of play requires you to be 'feeling it'. he constantly takes hard shots, off the dribble, or with a hand in his face and truth of the matter is, he's not kobe... he's not always 'feeling it'.
he has one of the nicest offensive repertoires in the game, he needs to learn how to use it. i think he could average over 25ppg
You guys are killin me lol
yeahhh Rudy Gay is a really good player.. But seriously? As good as LeBron or Durant? 25ppg? If he could learn to hit those impossible shots like durant does then ya 25ppg is possible.. But you can't just Learn how to hit them lol I mean they are ridiculous shots to make that only a handful of guys can make. So maybe it's possible but highly doubtful in my opinion.
for someone as long and athletic as he is why can't he average more than 6 rebounds? Durant got 8 this year. LeBron is a lock for 7-8 too. He is an average passer who will get like 2-3 assists a night so obviously he isn't close to LeBrons level there and Durant keeps getting better too. He rly is a good defender but he isn't as strong or versatile as LeBron. As far as shooting and scoring goes.. He's a good shooter but not like Durant and he has a good offensive game but he just doesn't kill it like they can.
Overall he's a really good player but he's overpaid for sure and I just don't see the potential to get much better than he is now. He's put up similar numbers for about 4 years now and he hasn't made big improvements in anything that would suggest he can take that next step forward like other superstars before him
I know right. He's a good shooter, not a GREAT one like Durant, no way. He made great strides from his rookie year to his sophomore season and then...bam, plateaued.
He's a frustrating talent. He could do everything a little bit better, but he just...doesn't...and hasn't. He could get a couple more freethrows, a couple more boards, see the floor better when driving (he's got two really good bigs to dish to),
I agree he's overpaid, but the potential he had a few years back meant Memphis had to dish out the money to keep him. I mean, when someone's 21, they're kind of supposed to have better statistics the following years, right?
He has all the tools to be one of the best in the game. Not sure why he's never fully taken advantage of it.
I don't get why I get negged for respectfully agreeing or disagreeing. There's been far worse posts out there.
dont twist my words... i never said he could be as good as durant or lebron, even though he has some ridiculous potential.
" If he could learn to hit those impossible shots like durant does then ya 25ppg is possible.. But you can't just Learn how to hit them lol I mean they are ridiculous shots to make that only a handful of guys can make. So maybe it's possible but highly doubtful in my opinion. "
you're killing me dude, he does hit those ridiculous hard shots all the time... how do you think he gets 19 pts a game on 45fg%... 20ppg on 47 fg% last year? its all about consistency... can he 'feel it' on a nightly basis? maybe not, but the potential is there for 25ppg.
i haven't given up on him, i think he can blow up ANY SECOND
Nah man I'm not trying to twist your words. I said it was possible I just don't think he ever will. 47% from the field but he dipped back down to like 31% from 3 after a career year at like 39%.. So ya if his threes go back up and he starts hitting those tough shots more often like Durant then he could get close to 25. But after 4 or 5 years of basically the same stuff what has he shown to anybody that he can take another step? At 26 he should be entering his prime but I just personally think statistically he's already been there for a while. Only thing he's really improved on is passing...
So F_S mock what is it about Rudy Gay that screams potential for a breakout? What is it about a 26 year old who has basically been the same player the past 5 years that says he has ridiculous potential?
Im being for real btw not tryin to sound like a dick lol
I said he could play as well as LeBron or Durant if he really, really wanted to. He pretty much is what he is now, but I think he's only 80-90% of what I thought he could've been. Not terrible by any means but Memphis would've been in a much nicer spot had he not plateaued after '09.
by ridiculous potential i mean 25-26ppg. and i kinda already explained why he has that potential. he has the ability to make tough shots but needs to learn how to get the easy ones a little more, and needs more consistency.
those things can come with maturity... bosh was just quoted saying "he was breathing simulac at 24 years old"... rudy gay is 25, he can get mentally stronger
Gay hasn't peaked yet I don't think, he's just trying to find his place on a team with Z-Bo, Gasol and Conely, all of whom can get hot and score a bunch of points. If he were given more responsibility I think he could improve his handle more and consequently the rest of his game, but it's just a fact that his numbers aren't going to improve until there are less capable scorers around him who need their touches.
He's still a great scorer, and in the clutch he's one of the best in the NBA - see anxious Toronto Raptors fan from a season or two ago - but Memphis play a very team-oriented game, which is predicated on defensive hustle, team-work and guts. He is a great shooter though, obviously not on the level of Durant (who is really?) but I agree with whoever said he needed to get more easy points.
These are things which will come with time, he's still plenty young enough to learn to use his skill-set better, but if we are talking pure skill-set and ability he's definitely capable of being on a Durant, Lebron, Melo level (even if at the bottom of that level).
He stuck on a team where hell not be the main option as I said before the 'legendry' coach Hollins nows that His Hi- Low combo wil win him enough games each year to keep his job and thats what matters t him. TI really cant see this team even in the western conference finals until they adjust or diversify their stratagy. I never saw him as a strong rebounder to begin with but also Gasol and Ranfolph eat up alot of boards where as Lebrons probably no lower than the second highest rebounder on his team (Quite sure not positive), and Ibaka is not often knocked for his lack of rebounding dominance.
Until he is 'the' featured player again I dont see him improving his stats much maybe a point or 2 at most. Also he doesnt reallly attack much. Doesnt get too the line nearly as often as he could. Trips to the line obviously help the scoring averages of James and Durant
Rudy's a good player and I think he will see a slight uptick in scoring this yr. Supposedly, he's been motivated by the Team USA snub. How that motivation manifests in his game I'm not sure, but early indicatiosns are that he plans on being more aggressive. I don't think he could be a mid 20s scorer on the Grizz as currently constructed, but he does have that type of scoring capability. One thing that would have to change is that he has to be more aggressive driving and seeking contact. 4 FTs a game for a scorer of his caliber is unacceptable. With the paint clogged by Z-bo, M.Gasol and their defenders it's kinda hard to be a more aggressive slasher though. Maybe he could be more aggressive slashing and cutting off the ball. M.Gasol is a very good post passer, maybe the best passing big in the game, so if Rudy cuts more instead of just looking to spread the floor when guys post up he'll get more opportunities at the cup.
One thing that I think would benefit Rudy is more minutes at the 4. He doesn't have the quickest step off the dribble, which is why he settles for a lot of stepbacks and pull ups, but his first step is much better at the 4.
Scoring more is great, but I'd rather see an improvement in his playmaking. I think if he became a better playmaker and brought his ast/game closer to 4 he'd be a perennial all-star caliber player. If he became a better passer then the help defense would have to play him for the pass as well as the score, which would lead to softer help rotations and easier shots for Rudy in the paint.
No way he has the potential LeBron or Durant has. He has the potential to slightly increase his game to get an AS appearance or two, but thats it IMO. He hasnt really increased his stats in 4 years. He's 27 I believe, he's in his prime. Stats shouldnt increase drastically at this point.
Actually Rudy is only 25, he was born in 1986, so he's not in his prime yet.
I'm not high on Rudy Gay. I've always felt he was overrated. A guy you're always waiting on to be as good as you think he can be.
He's talented, but I don't like the way he plays. He can only "get his" off of isolations and clearouts where he's dribbling way too much (makes offense too stagnant). I wish he'd move without/off of the ball or at least catch and shoot the ball without dribbling it first. He's a predictable offensive player. I'd even like to see him posting up more because the dude can just elevate over most players and he always follows through nice on his jumpshot. I'd really like to see him develop that mid-post game like Paul Pierce and Carmelo Anthony.
I also wish he'd attack the basket more. He should be at the line 7-8 times per game. I feel like he settles too much. I think he played passive last season due to the shoulder.
I mean, everything... Defensively, rebounding... When you consider his height, length, body and just physical tools... He leaves a lot to be desired. This guy should be A LOT better.
IF he could improve, I think the Grizzlies would be a team nobody wanted to see.
Good points. Well said.
Rudy's not bad defensively at all. His overall PPP against is the exact same as Lebron's and his SF opponents only have a 12.1 PER against him.
6.5 boards arent that bad for the SF position either, especially with Z-Bo and Gasol working the glass. That puts him right in line with the Deng and Carmelo's of the league. Both are considered good rebounders for their position.
Also, I'm sure he'd like to operate from the mid-post area since it's only one long stride to the hoop for Rudy, but that's where Z-Bo likes to operate.
I think it's overlooked how Rudy has to play to accommodate both Z-Bo and Gasol.
I don't necesarily think he's bad at anything (he is a poor passer though). You made good points about his defense and rebounding. I just look at this guy... 6' 8" 230 lbs... Long arms and crazy athleticism with a perfect build... Plenty of talent and ability. Why isn't he an All-NBA performer, at both ends? He should be a superstar or very close. I just feel he's underachieving. I don't think he has the mentality to be great.
Zach Randolph only played 28 games last season. While he was out, Gay still didn't go into the mid-post. I mean, I just think that's something he should have in his game.
And speaking of accomodating Randolph and Marc Gasol, I don't think Gay really does. I don't think he's adjusted his game at all. He still plays the same way. He isolates/clears out and then when he doesn't have the ball... He just pretty much stands and watches. He's too predictable. IF he closes up some of the holes in his game, I think the Grizzlies would be a championship contender.
I'm not hating on him... Just think he could be so much better. Hopefully, a healthy Gay and Randolph having an entire training camp/pre-season together will help their chemistry.
Andre Iguodala or Rudy Gay, who would you guys take on your team?
It would depend on what the teams needs are, but all things even I'd take Rudy. I think Iguodala's overall impact is overrated. He's good defensively, but on offense he likes to handle the ball and try to make plays, even though he's a sloppy ball-handler and forces some awkward passes. He also likes to force superstar shots even though he's not good at making them. He's a good defensive, utility player, not much more than that.
Rudy seems to have reached a ceiling of about 20ppg, he has the ability to score more than that but with Conley, Gasol and Z-Bo on the team then shots need to be shared around. When I saw his career stats in detail, the similar scoring name which sprag to mind was Joe Johnson of the Nets and interestingly Rudy's career PPG is 17.9 and Joe's is 17.8!
Joe of course has had a lot longer career and took several years to reach double figures in PPG but went onto have 5 or so seasons of well over 20ppg before regressing slightly to around 18 ppg in the last two years. At Brooklyn I would guess he'd probably be expected to put up around 18ppg with the shots being dished out being balanced by him having a really top PG alomgside him for the first time since his Phoenix days.
Joe of course is a multiple All Star and Rudy has yet to reach that level, I would hope that Rudy would get an All Star nod or two in his career but would never see him as a perenial All Star as Joe was for many years.
Rudy has had a good NBA career as he was only an 8th draft pick so was actually a good value pick up by Memphis, he has hyped in his college career but bounced up and down the draft boards for various reasons and his draft rights were traded away but the Rockets had T-Mac so adding Battier made sense for them. Overall I feel he has proved his doubters wrong but he could also maybe take his career to a slightly higher level, he'd never be a Melo type franchise player but he could reach All Star level with a bit of luck.
As regards Iggy or Gay, I'd say it depends on what the rest of the roster is like.
even though he has the ability and athletcisim to be one, not everyone is meant to be a superstar.....you get in where you fit in...with that said he is only 26(in this "one & done" age thats old) and there enough time for him to find his true calling as a bball player....