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You know when you are watching the game and start yelling at the TV for the coach to put in, or take out, a certain player? I do this a lot as a Kings fan and I'm wondering who else feels the same way. Is there anybody who just loves the way their coach rotates the players? Who are the best and worst coaches at this?

If you want to read my rant about Keith Smart you can continue. . .

When you have a loaded roster this is probably much less of an issue. Keith Smart (the Kings coach for those of you that don't pay attention to insignificant teams) drives me nuts with his substitutions. He will go undersized at every single position in the second quarter with only bench players, and I watch as an opponent gets offensive rebounds on literally every shot. This isn't a team that runs, or really has any advantage in going so small.

Also this isn't a team with a lot of gap in talent for those that get major minutes and those that get limited minutes. For instance Francisco Garcia gets a lot of playing time while Travis Outlaw receives very limited. Garcia is possibly the better player, and since Outlaw never sees the court, he definitely is playing better at the moment. However, Garcia has a good game once every 10, if I'm being generous. On the nights when he can't hit a shot, why not go to Outlaw and see what he can do?

If you have a superstar or all-star you give them their mandatory minutes unless they're in foul trouble. But I promise, Garcia will never go off for 40 on any given night. He is not the player you let shoot through his struggles. When he sucks, sit him.

When a guy that gets limited minutes, like Jimmer, is doing well, it is ok to give him extended minutes. There is no LBJ on the roster that he is taking minutes from. A typical box score could look like this:

Garcia 1-9/fg 0-4/3's 3/reb 1/ast 25 min
Fredette 4-5/fg 3-4/3's 2/reb 2/ast 11 min

I'm not saying Jimmer takes minutes only from Garcia, they both play the 2, but Garcia plays the 3 and Jimmer the 1 as well, but shouldn't Jimmer get to play more in this game? I get it, there are situations and defense to consider, but believe me, I am keeping that in mind.


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Jimmer needs to play more, plain and simple

I wish they would deal him. They are hurting his career. That organization sucks in Sacremento. I think Smart sucks as a coach too.

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Byron Scott is the worst we

Byron Scott is the worst we are 40 games in and still doesn't have a rotation.. They are in games and he will throw a new lineup out there who have never been a rotation together and bam down double digits.. He's awful! Don't get me wrong the cavs are not the most talented group but he was giving Luke Walton 20 plus minutes and as first off the bench

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We're in the middle of a

We're in the middle of a rebuild, this season isn't about making the playoffs. It's about figuring out who can do what, who succeeds where, and who can play well together. Byron Scott is doing just fine.

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I hear you on the small

I hear you on the small lineups. Avery Johnson did it with the Nets constantly. I think it is because these coaches hear that the good teams are doing it, so they think this is what coaches do, they play matchups and go small. But seriously Lebron is 260 and Durrant is 6'10" with long arms. Neither the Heat or OKC is going "small" when they play those guys at PF. The Knicks aren't going small with Chandler at center and Melo at PF. Chandler is a big center and Melo is 6' 8" and he has to weigh 240 and he might weigh a lot more than that but frankly doesn't want anyone to know for sure. The Knicks aren't small and they have Jason Kidd at SG and he rebounds like a SF, so the Knicks can do stuff like this. If you don't have the personnel to do it, then don't do it.

But somehow these coaches think that there are special moments when rebounding doesn't matter so they put in a bunch of guards plus 220 pound SF that they've slid to PF. And then they are surprised as they are quickly dominated in the paint with second chance high percentage shots. And why in the world do they feel like you can't have a starter on the floor at all times. The starters are starters because they are better basketball players then the bench guys. Why have five bench guys on the floor ever?!?! Especially if one of them isn't a super sub like Crawford, Ginobli, Jason Terry or like Harden was for OKC. Okay fine, you can play that guy with bench players. But when your starters are young and your bench is terrible; you should space things out and keep at least one or two starters on the court run the show at all times. The 10th guy on your team basically should only play during garbage time. This is not high school ball where you want the kids to have a nice time participating. There will be plenty of time to play those guys when injuries strike. You can see what they can do then. There is no need to punt five minutes of a competitive game that you are trying to win just to give the 10th and 11th man on your team some run. And if you do, hide him with starters all around him so he doesn't have to carry the load.

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Byron Scott will be fired at

Byron Scott will be fired at the end of the year bet?

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You do realize that them

You do realize that them tanking this year is falling right into Chris Grant's plans for another top 5 pick? Byron's not going anywhere. Who would you replace him with anyway?

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I'm a Mavs fan. We lost a

I'm a Mavs fan. We lost a game this year because we couldn't get a defensive rebound in four straight tries starting at 1:30ish left in the game... with Shawn Marion playing the 5 and Vince Carter playing the 4.

And Bernard James hasn't played since his 12 point 9 rebound game against Miami.

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So, I'd put Rick Carlisle on the "bad at rotations" list, too, right now.

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Lol I love getting negs on

Lol I love getting negs on this site what a joke

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Lol I love getting negs on

Lol I love getting negs on this site what a joke

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Smarts rotations

Are the worst of the league. I can't even watch Kings games anymore because of him.

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Even during rebuilding u are

Even during rebuilding u are suppose to make progress they are 20 games below 500 almost 40 games into the season on pace to win less games than last year which was a shortened season lol.. 3rd season zero improvement? And team can't finish games have lost a league leading 8 games by one pos. and many of those games were leading late. Idk neg me all day but if u think that a coach has a winning percentage of 370 over 3 seasons has no shot of getting fired then you don't know the nba today. Avery went from coach of the month to on unemployment line in 30 days, but Byron Scott's 370 win percentage is safe? Ha

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Look at how OKC fared during

Look at how OKC fared during their rebuild

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they fired there coach lol

they fired there coach lol ahaha thank you for making my point but you wont get a neg because half the people on this site mostly new people do not even know what they are talking about.

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You don't know what you're

You don't know what you're talking about. Scott Brooks started in 2007 - when Kevin Durant was drafted - which was essentially the beginning of their rebuild. But nice try, maybe next time!

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No they fired pj calisimo he

No they fired pj calisimo he was his first coach

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Oklahoma_City_Thunder_head_coaches

so wrector? Hmm a little over a season into kevin durants career... you know the rebuilding process they fired there head coach? So who doesnt know what they are talking about? I bet you wont catch any negatives for spewing information that is false and calling me out but i probably will. You were wrong you even tried adding to your mistakes by lying and making things up and neging me. Like i said byron scott will likely be fired and the idea that hes not because they are rebuilding keeps him safe is a joke. Your example of the thunder was in correct as they fired carlisimo in Durants second year... hmmmmmmmmmm what year is this for Kyrie? Im confused about your argument?

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Damn, you caught me. I

Damn, you caught me. I &$#%#&@! up the year Scott Brooks was brought in. May the basketball gods have mercy on my soul. Regardless of the time - the reason PJ was fired was because the team started 1-12 and were losing by an average of 15 pts - which included several 20 pt blowouts. But guess what - they still only had a 23-59 year after scott brooks was put it in. Besides, my argument never had anything to do with the coach. It had to do with the record of the team during their rebuild.

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We can sit here and argue all

We can sit here and argue all we want but it won't matter till Byron Scott gets fired or the season ends with him still as HC. By the way, I'm sorry your success in life revolves around a thumbs up or thumbs down on the internet.

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Lol thanks for negging all my

Lol thanks for negging all my posts u were wrong just own it and don't be a child

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I admitted I was wrong about

I admitted I was wrong about the year lol...and I didn't neg any of your posts except your first one..lmao sooo worried about those points

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Yeah Doug Collins drives me

Yeah Doug Collins drives me crazy with his rotations too, like for instance him starting and giving Jodie Meeks a 3 point specialist who isn't a great shooter and cant defender, yet he started and played more minutes then Turner for the past 2 years.

This year when the offense is in a slump I have to watch him to go of all people, wait for it.....Damien frikkin Wilkins! Like what is this guy doing on the floor let alone getting iso calls from the wing. It's maddening.

The Sixers are playing so bad on offense they need to just tell Holiday and Turner to literally take every shot up the court, because nobody wants to see Damien Wilkins make a shot to cut the deficit to 18. Id rather watch Arnett Moultrie shoot 3's.

Another thing I hate about Collins is if it's a blowout he'll completely waive the flag and take Holiday and Turner out instead of letting them get their points. Holiday should have atleast 2 more triple doubles this year but Collins will sit him the whole 4th quarter until there is like 3 minutes left sometimes.

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