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- Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 6:00pm #20943
ultrablue123ParticipantJust looked at Kevin Durant’s stats for his rookie year compared to Tyreke Evans’ and was intrigued.
Durant: 20.3 ppg 4.4 rpg 2.4 apg
Evans: 20.1 ppg 5.3 rpg 5.8 apgThoughts? does this mean that Evans could be in the talks for MVP in a few season like Durant is now? Or are they just stats, and you can’t assume the same trend because they play different positions in different systems?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 6:05pm #384680
Mr.Knick 32ParticipantNo. Durant played the 2 in his rookie season. He would have had way better numbers.
Also, the MVP talks comes when your team wins games. Evans and the Kings are not there yet.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 6:05pm #384703
Mr.Knick 32ParticipantNo. Durant played the 2 in his rookie season. He would have had way better numbers.
Also, the MVP talks comes when your team wins games. Evans and the Kings are not there yet.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 6:07pm #384682
BasketballGuru24ParticipantAt the pace evans is going in yes, but he is going to have to become a better perimeter scorer. KD scores at will cause he has a arsenal of weapons. Right now evans is a nightmare when he drives in cause he can finish, if he can shoot better…….damnnn we can witness something special
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 6:07pm #384684
BasketballGuru24ParticipantAt the pace evans is going in yes, but he is going to have to become a better perimeter scorer. KD scores at will cause he has a arsenal of weapons. Right now evans is a nightmare when he drives in cause he can finish, if he can shoot better…….damnnn we can witness something special
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 6:07pm #384705
BasketballGuru24ParticipantAt the pace evans is going in yes, but he is going to have to become a better perimeter scorer. KD scores at will cause he has a arsenal of weapons. Right now evans is a nightmare when he drives in cause he can finish, if he can shoot better…….damnnn we can witness something special
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 6:07pm #384707
BasketballGuru24ParticipantAt the pace evans is going in yes, but he is going to have to become a better perimeter scorer. KD scores at will cause he has a arsenal of weapons. Right now evans is a nightmare when he drives in cause he can finish, if he can shoot better…….damnnn we can witness something special
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 6:15pm #384690
mattholdenbrownParticipantno because i dont see evans offensively (and as we saw vs spain) defensivly at the rate durant did
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 6:15pm #384713
mattholdenbrownParticipantno because i dont see evans offensively (and as we saw vs spain) defensivly at the rate durant did
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 6:15pm #384692
MagikKnickParticipantrookie season vs rookie season, then Tyreke Evans wins.
But as far as the future goes, I dont think Evans has as much potential as Kevin Durant. Im sure Evans will improve as his career continues, but he wont make the giant leaps that Kevin Durant has made. Its not impossible for Evans to surpass Durant, I just strongly doubt it.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 6:15pm #384715
MagikKnickParticipantrookie season vs rookie season, then Tyreke Evans wins.
But as far as the future goes, I dont think Evans has as much potential as Kevin Durant. Im sure Evans will improve as his career continues, but he wont make the giant leaps that Kevin Durant has made. Its not impossible for Evans to surpass Durant, I just strongly doubt it.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 6:18pm #384700
mattholdenbrownParticipant@magic knick that is the greatest pic ever. Toney Douglas 4 Mvp haha no but seriously great player
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 6:18pm #384723
mattholdenbrownParticipant@magic knick that is the greatest pic ever. Toney Douglas 4 Mvp haha no but seriously great player
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 6:26pm #384710
Michael.S.ParticipantYea, I agree with Magikknick. Evans had the better rookie season, and everyone improves, but right now and in the forseeable future Durant has the better team.As for MVP’s its all about wins… The Kings have a ways to go and (to a lesser extent) so do the Thunder, as their teams just aren’t winning enough games to put them in the MVP convo, so it will be, imo, a couple years before either player wins any MVP’s. As for being the better player, I think although Durant is kinda overrated to me, he is still going to be better than Evans, because he is just a very very talented player. I am very anxious to see how Evans game improves and how Durant’s game matures.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 6:26pm #384733
Michael.S.ParticipantYea, I agree with Magikknick. Evans had the better rookie season, and everyone improves, but right now and in the forseeable future Durant has the better team.As for MVP’s its all about wins… The Kings have a ways to go and (to a lesser extent) so do the Thunder, as their teams just aren’t winning enough games to put them in the MVP convo, so it will be, imo, a couple years before either player wins any MVP’s. As for being the better player, I think although Durant is kinda overrated to me, he is still going to be better than Evans, because he is just a very very talented player. I am very anxious to see how Evans game improves and how Durant’s game matures.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 7:17pm #384773
sheltwon3Participantif Evans gets a decent jumper and plays defense Huge ifs he could be a poor man’s Lebron and in the MVP consideration
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 7:17pm #384751
sheltwon3Participantif Evans gets a decent jumper and plays defense Huge ifs he could be a poor man’s Lebron and in the MVP consideration
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 7:29pm #384776
omphalosParticipantI don’t know if I’d give Durant the nod for the future just yet. I’d say Reke will be the better closer in a few years even if he isn’t such a dominant scorer. Durant isn’t a great 4th quarter guy at this point. It all comes down to whether Reke can significantly improve his J. Also, I really think the Kings are going to be right on the Thunder’s heels in a couple of years with the great draft picks they’ve picked up in the last few seasons. Durant has that X-factor, but unless he puts on some weight he will continue to be man-handled by bigger bodies like Artest, Melo and James.
In regards to the MVP voting, I see the Thunder being maybe 5th/6th in the West this season and Durant being a real shot at taking it home. Lebron has signed himself out of the race I think, no way his stats will be as good in Miami.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 7:29pm #384755
omphalosParticipantI don’t know if I’d give Durant the nod for the future just yet. I’d say Reke will be the better closer in a few years even if he isn’t such a dominant scorer. Durant isn’t a great 4th quarter guy at this point. It all comes down to whether Reke can significantly improve his J. Also, I really think the Kings are going to be right on the Thunder’s heels in a couple of years with the great draft picks they’ve picked up in the last few seasons. Durant has that X-factor, but unless he puts on some weight he will continue to be man-handled by bigger bodies like Artest, Melo and James.
In regards to the MVP voting, I see the Thunder being maybe 5th/6th in the West this season and Durant being a real shot at taking it home. Lebron has signed himself out of the race I think, no way his stats will be as good in Miami.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 8:18pm #384784
shannon92ParticipantDurant was the 1st , 2nd and 3rd option in his rookie year, they had no one else on that team so defenses focused on him, reke on the other hand had kevin martin for the start of his season to take away some of the pressure on him
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 8:18pm #384763
shannon92ParticipantDurant was the 1st , 2nd and 3rd option in his rookie year, they had no one else on that team so defenses focused on him, reke on the other hand had kevin martin for the start of his season to take away some of the pressure on him
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 9:24pm #384795
zhgzsteinParticipanthow can you even compare tyreke evans to kevin durant. Tons of players had better rookie years than kevin durant in nba history. Glenn Robinson’s rookie year: 21.9pg, 6.4rpg, 2.5apg. Does that mean glenn robinson would end up as good as durant? if he kept progressing yes but his physical tools don’t even compare. Durant is a freak. A talent that comes once every 5 years. Tyreke is really good but don’t compare him to Durant. Durant’s rookie year may not have been as good but everyone could see the potential to be a top 5 nba player. Tyreke’s potential is all star but it’ll never be top 5 in the NBA. He doesnt have the kobe/lebron/durant/dwade gene in him. He has allstar, not all time great potential
0- Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 9:52pm #384799
rickyD510Participant“Tyreke’s potential is all star but it’ll never be top 5 in the NBA. He doesnt have the kobe/lebron/durant/dwade gene in him. He has allstar, not all time great potential”
and you know this how? the jury is still out on most players right after the rookie year so i wouldnt jump to any conclusions just yet….
wait, you said he doesn’t have some “gene”(alright skip bayless) you were talking about but, he does have a gene that a few other people that you may know about, what were their names again? oscar robertson, mj, and lebron, this “gene” im talking about is the one that allowed him to average 20 5 5 in his rookie season0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 9:52pm #384820
rickyD510Participant“Tyreke’s potential is all star but it’ll never be top 5 in the NBA. He doesnt have the kobe/lebron/durant/dwade gene in him. He has allstar, not all time great potential”
and you know this how? the jury is still out on most players right after the rookie year so i wouldnt jump to any conclusions just yet….
wait, you said he doesn’t have some “gene”(alright skip bayless) you were talking about but, he does have a gene that a few other people that you may know about, what were their names again? oscar robertson, mj, and lebron, this “gene” im talking about is the one that allowed him to average 20 5 5 in his rookie season0
- Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 9:24pm #384816
zhgzsteinParticipanthow can you even compare tyreke evans to kevin durant. Tons of players had better rookie years than kevin durant in nba history. Glenn Robinson’s rookie year: 21.9pg, 6.4rpg, 2.5apg. Does that mean glenn robinson would end up as good as durant? if he kept progressing yes but his physical tools don’t even compare. Durant is a freak. A talent that comes once every 5 years. Tyreke is really good but don’t compare him to Durant. Durant’s rookie year may not have been as good but everyone could see the potential to be a top 5 nba player. Tyreke’s potential is all star but it’ll never be top 5 in the NBA. He doesnt have the kobe/lebron/durant/dwade gene in him. He has allstar, not all time great potential
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 9:59pm #384801
rickyD510Participanthopefully this gene ur talking about isnt the clutch one, i know tyreke got shut down by kobe and lebron but who doesnt but he also hit two game winners in his rookie season which isnt “PHE-NOM-INAL”(jim rome) but thats more than i can say about most players in their rookies season including the ones you mentioned (kobe/lebron/durant/dwade)
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 9:59pm #384822
rickyD510Participanthopefully this gene ur talking about isnt the clutch one, i know tyreke got shut down by kobe and lebron but who doesnt but he also hit two game winners in his rookie season which isnt “PHE-NOM-INAL”(jim rome) but thats more than i can say about most players in their rookies season including the ones you mentioned (kobe/lebron/durant/dwade)
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 10:18pm #384803
dye84Participanthe is definetly built like a man and he is about to be 21 i believe, he doesnt have the three point range like durant which opens up a lot, i dont know if he can be the scorer durant is but he has the potential to be a better defensive player, as far as the clutch genes go, off the top i can think of the @milwaukee, @chicago, and denver at home that he won at the buzzer, not to mention the steal he got on gilbert at the end of the game, its still early in his career, but id call that clutch
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 10:18pm #384824
dye84Participanthe is definetly built like a man and he is about to be 21 i believe, he doesnt have the three point range like durant which opens up a lot, i dont know if he can be the scorer durant is but he has the potential to be a better defensive player, as far as the clutch genes go, off the top i can think of the @milwaukee, @chicago, and denver at home that he won at the buzzer, not to mention the steal he got on gilbert at the end of the game, its still early in his career, but id call that clutch
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 10:52pm #384811
lalailaParticipantin my personal opinion Tyreke with out no doubts will be MVP contender in the future..!
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/24/2010 - 10:52pm #384831
lalailaParticipantin my personal opinion Tyreke with out no doubts will be MVP contender in the future..!
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 2:05am #384840
durantula83ParticipantRight now, I rate Durant as a top 3 player in the league. The passion, the heart, the winning attitude, the focus it’s all present. It might be bold to say but if LeBron didn’t team up with Wade and Bosh then Durant would probably have won a Championship before LeBron.
Tyreke is a great player but I don’t see him completely turning around a franchise as fast as Durant did. I believe it will happen though, depending on how the supporting cast (Greene, Casspi & Cousins) will evolve. This year his numbers will probably be the same as last year, if he can add a long stroke to his game then he will be unstoppable.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 2:05am #384860
durantula83ParticipantRight now, I rate Durant as a top 3 player in the league. The passion, the heart, the winning attitude, the focus it’s all present. It might be bold to say but if LeBron didn’t team up with Wade and Bosh then Durant would probably have won a Championship before LeBron.
Tyreke is a great player but I don’t see him completely turning around a franchise as fast as Durant did. I believe it will happen though, depending on how the supporting cast (Greene, Casspi & Cousins) will evolve. This year his numbers will probably be the same as last year, if he can add a long stroke to his game then he will be unstoppable.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 4:11am #384877
andxxxParticipantWhy are you guys doubting Tyreke evans so much? In Durant’s first season he was 20-62, in his 2nd he was 23-59. Tyreke is through his first season with a 25-57 record so why can’t his team improve at the same rate as durant’s, he’s able to get in the lane almost at will and his passing ability is underrated if he ever gets a shot i believe he could be a top 5 or at very least top 10 player in the league.
Someone said durant played the sg position his rookie year thats why his numbers arent as good but tyreke played the point but still had the same amount of points at a higher efficiency and more rebounds when comparing rookie years, durant’s a great player but i feel you guys are undervaluing tyreke evans
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 4:11am #384898
andxxxParticipantWhy are you guys doubting Tyreke evans so much? In Durant’s first season he was 20-62, in his 2nd he was 23-59. Tyreke is through his first season with a 25-57 record so why can’t his team improve at the same rate as durant’s, he’s able to get in the lane almost at will and his passing ability is underrated if he ever gets a shot i believe he could be a top 5 or at very least top 10 player in the league.
Someone said durant played the sg position his rookie year thats why his numbers arent as good but tyreke played the point but still had the same amount of points at a higher efficiency and more rebounds when comparing rookie years, durant’s a great player but i feel you guys are undervaluing tyreke evans
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 5:47am #384941
Jlv2010Tyreke is my hero.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 5:47am #384962
Jlv2010Tyreke is my hero.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 5:50am #384947
Mr.Knick 32ParticipantI still think the Kings need to win more to get into that MVP race.
Funny how we haven’t heard about Durant as MVP until he got his team to the playoffs.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 5:50am #384968
Mr.Knick 32ParticipantI still think the Kings need to win more to get into that MVP race.
Funny how we haven’t heard about Durant as MVP until he got his team to the playoffs.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 5:59am #384959
omphalosParticipantI think you guys are underestimating how quickly the Kings can turn things around. If Cousins can be dominant inside, Whiteside a defensive stopper and Casspi a spark plug I can honestly see the Kings making playoffs by Reke’s 3rd season with probably the Spurs, Nuggets (if Melo leaves) and Mavs having dropped off significantly by then.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 5:59am #384980
omphalosParticipantI think you guys are underestimating how quickly the Kings can turn things around. If Cousins can be dominant inside, Whiteside a defensive stopper and Casspi a spark plug I can honestly see the Kings making playoffs by Reke’s 3rd season with probably the Spurs, Nuggets (if Melo leaves) and Mavs having dropped off significantly by then.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 6:00am #384961
Jlv2010Just no more racing.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 6:00am #384982
Jlv2010Just no more racing.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 6:02am #384965
Mr.Knick 32ParticipantI think you guys are underestimating how quickly the Kings can turn things around. If Cousins can be dominant inside, Whiteside a defensive stopper and Casspi a spark plug I can honestly see the Kings making playoffs by Reke’s 3rd season with probably the Spurs, Nuggets (if Melo leaves) and Mavs having dropped off significantly by then.
Cousins is not gonna be a monster from day one. Whiteside could be good on defense but is still a project. Casspi is a spark plug but just that, a spark plug. The Kings are at least 2 years away. They need another 1st round pick ( top 10) and a couple solid free agent signings to speed this up.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 6:02am #384986
Mr.Knick 32ParticipantI think you guys are underestimating how quickly the Kings can turn things around. If Cousins can be dominant inside, Whiteside a defensive stopper and Casspi a spark plug I can honestly see the Kings making playoffs by Reke’s 3rd season with probably the Spurs, Nuggets (if Melo leaves) and Mavs having dropped off significantly by then.
Cousins is not gonna be a monster from day one. Whiteside could be good on defense but is still a project. Casspi is a spark plug but just that, a spark plug. The Kings are at least 2 years away. They need another 1st round pick ( top 10) and a couple solid free agent signings to speed this up.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 6:03am #384967
Malik-UniversalParticipantevans had the better rookie yr imo… but who knows if evans will be an mvp candaiate in a few years or whenever… stats dont mean shi+
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 6:03am #384988
Malik-UniversalParticipantevans had the better rookie yr imo… but who knows if evans will be an mvp candaiate in a few years or whenever… stats dont mean shi+
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 6:03am #384971
Jlv2010I’d take the Kings over the Knicks anyday.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 6:03am #384992
Jlv2010I’d take the Kings over the Knicks anyday.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 6:04am #384973
Mr.Knick 32ParticipantI’d take the Kings over the Knicks anyday.
Roster wise, I would too.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 6:04am #384994
Mr.Knick 32ParticipantI’d take the Kings over the Knicks anyday.
Roster wise, I would too.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 6:09am #384977
Jlv2010it’s all speculation until the facts are laid out. Kings have too many rookies and unproven players to put them on the radar just yet. Let’s just watch the next season.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 6:09am #384998
Jlv2010it’s all speculation until the facts are laid out. Kings have too many rookies and unproven players to put them on the radar just yet. Let’s just watch the next season.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 6:10am #384979
Mr.Knick 32ParticipantThey pretty much bring the same team back from next season plus 2 rookies. They’re still gonna be a 25-33 win team at the best.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 6:10am #385000
Mr.Knick 32ParticipantThey pretty much bring the same team back from next season plus 2 rookies. They’re still gonna be a 25-33 win team at the best.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 6:14am #384983
McWinningParticipantWeren’t the Thunders a bunch of unproven players too?
If you look both teams have set out similar frameworks for their teams, remember the first two year Durant was in the league his team was terrible.
I dont think think the Kings are a playoff team next year but they could explode the year after.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 6:14am #385003
McWinningParticipantWeren’t the Thunders a bunch of unproven players too?
If you look both teams have set out similar frameworks for their teams, remember the first two year Durant was in the league his team was terrible.
I dont think think the Kings are a playoff team next year but they could explode the year after.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 6:17am #384987
Mr.Knick 32ParticipantWeren’t the Thunders a bunch of unproven players too?
Green and Durant were impressive there 2nd seasons, Westbrook was alright in his rookie season ( had a triple double or two) and Thabo was seen as a defender. They added Harden and a couple role players and things.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 6:17am #385007
Mr.Knick 32ParticipantWeren’t the Thunders a bunch of unproven players too?
Green and Durant were impressive there 2nd seasons, Westbrook was alright in his rookie season ( had a triple double or two) and Thabo was seen as a defender. They added Harden and a couple role players and things.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 6:19am #384989
omphalosParticipant“Cousins is not gonna be a monster from day one. Whiteside could be good on defense but is still a project. Casspi is a spark plug but just that, a spark plug. The Kings are at least 2 years away. They need another 1st round pick ( top 10) and a couple solid free agent signings to speed this up.”
Keep in mind I said by Reke’s 3rd season, which would be Cousins’ second. Brook Lopez only took 2 seasons to establish himself as one of the better Cs in the League, I can’t see why Cousins couldn’t do the same. I’m sure this next season will be horrible team-wise just like Durant’s second season was for the Thunder, but they’ll earn that draft pick again hopefully. Also, the only free agents they should be signing would be role players, I don’t like it when a team is building through the draft and a big-name trade or signing stunts the growth of a young team.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 6:19am #385009
omphalosParticipant“Cousins is not gonna be a monster from day one. Whiteside could be good on defense but is still a project. Casspi is a spark plug but just that, a spark plug. The Kings are at least 2 years away. They need another 1st round pick ( top 10) and a couple solid free agent signings to speed this up.”
Keep in mind I said by Reke’s 3rd season, which would be Cousins’ second. Brook Lopez only took 2 seasons to establish himself as one of the better Cs in the League, I can’t see why Cousins couldn’t do the same. I’m sure this next season will be horrible team-wise just like Durant’s second season was for the Thunder, but they’ll earn that draft pick again hopefully. Also, the only free agents they should be signing would be role players, I don’t like it when a team is building through the draft and a big-name trade or signing stunts the growth of a young team.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 6:20am #384993
Jlv201030 wins at least.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 6:20am #385013
Jlv201030 wins at least.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 8:21am #385095
duhrant35Participantdurant is on an entirely different level than tyreke evans. evans had a way better supporting cast and was much more physically mature as a rookie. Kevin durant is much more than a once in 5 years he has a chance to be an all-time great.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 8:21am #385117
duhrant35Participantdurant is on an entirely different level than tyreke evans. evans had a way better supporting cast and was much more physically mature as a rookie. Kevin durant is much more than a once in 5 years he has a chance to be an all-time great.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 9:39am #385154
JoeWolf1Sacramento +8 wins Tyreke’s rookie season
Seatte -9 wins Durant’s rookie seasonWe all know the direction OKC has gone since KD’s rookie year, but I just thought it was an interesting stat.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/25/2010 - 9:39am #385176
JoeWolf1Sacramento +8 wins Tyreke’s rookie season
Seatte -9 wins Durant’s rookie seasonWe all know the direction OKC has gone since KD’s rookie year, but I just thought it was an interesting stat.
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