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  • #20943
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    ultrablue123
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    Just looked at Kevin Durant’s stats for his rookie year compared to Tyreke Evans’ and was intrigued.

    Durant: 20.3 ppg 4.4 rpg 2.4 apg
    Evans: 20.1 ppg 5.3 rpg 5.8 apg

    Thoughts? does this mean that Evans could be in the talks for MVP in a few season like Durant is now? Or are they just stats, and you can’t assume the same trend because they play different positions in different systems?

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  • #384680
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    Mr.Knick 32
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    No. Durant played the 2 in his rookie season. He would have had way better numbers.

    Also, the MVP talks comes when your team wins games. Evans and the Kings are not there yet.

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  • #384703
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    No. Durant played the 2 in his rookie season. He would have had way better numbers.

    Also, the MVP talks comes when your team wins games. Evans and the Kings are not there yet.

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  • #384682
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    At the pace evans is going in yes, but he is going to have to become a better perimeter scorer. KD scores at will cause he has a arsenal of weapons. Right now evans is a nightmare when he drives in cause he can finish, if he can shoot better…….damnnn we can witness something special

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  • #384684
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    At the pace evans is going in yes, but he is going to have to become a better perimeter scorer. KD scores at will cause he has a arsenal of weapons. Right now evans is a nightmare when he drives in cause he can finish, if he can shoot better…….damnnn we can witness something special

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  • #384705
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    BasketballGuru24
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    At the pace evans is going in yes, but he is going to have to become a better perimeter scorer. KD scores at will cause he has a arsenal of weapons. Right now evans is a nightmare when he drives in cause he can finish, if he can shoot better…….damnnn we can witness something special

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  • #384707
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    BasketballGuru24
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    At the pace evans is going in yes, but he is going to have to become a better perimeter scorer. KD scores at will cause he has a arsenal of weapons. Right now evans is a nightmare when he drives in cause he can finish, if he can shoot better…….damnnn we can witness something special

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  • #384690
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    mattholdenbrown
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    no because i dont see evans offensively (and as we saw vs spain) defensivly at the rate durant did

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  • #384713
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    mattholdenbrown
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    no because i dont see evans offensively (and as we saw vs spain) defensivly at the rate durant did

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  • #384692
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    MagikKnick
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    rookie season vs rookie season, then Tyreke Evans wins.

    But as far as the future goes, I dont think Evans has as much potential as Kevin Durant. Im sure Evans will improve as his career continues, but he wont make the giant leaps that Kevin Durant has made. Its not impossible for Evans to surpass Durant, I just strongly doubt it.

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  • #384715
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    MagikKnick
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    rookie season vs rookie season, then Tyreke Evans wins.

    But as far as the future goes, I dont think Evans has as much potential as Kevin Durant. Im sure Evans will improve as his career continues, but he wont make the giant leaps that Kevin Durant has made. Its not impossible for Evans to surpass Durant, I just strongly doubt it.

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  • #384700
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    mattholdenbrown
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    @magic knick that is the greatest pic ever. Toney Douglas 4 Mvp haha no but seriously great player

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  • #384723
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    mattholdenbrown
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    @magic knick that is the greatest pic ever. Toney Douglas 4 Mvp haha no but seriously great player

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  • #384710
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    Michael.S.
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    Yea, I agree with Magikknick. Evans had the better rookie season, and everyone improves, but right now and in the forseeable future Durant has the better team.As for MVP’s its all about wins… The Kings have a ways to go and (to a lesser extent) so do the Thunder, as their teams just aren’t winning enough games to put them in the MVP convo, so it will be, imo, a couple years before either player wins any MVP’s. As for being the better player, I think although Durant is kinda overrated to me, he is still going to be better than Evans, because he is just a very very talented player. I am very anxious to see how Evans game improves and how Durant’s game matures.

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  • #384733
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    Michael.S.
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    Yea, I agree with Magikknick. Evans had the better rookie season, and everyone improves, but right now and in the forseeable future Durant has the better team.As for MVP’s its all about wins… The Kings have a ways to go and (to a lesser extent) so do the Thunder, as their teams just aren’t winning enough games to put them in the MVP convo, so it will be, imo, a couple years before either player wins any MVP’s. As for being the better player, I think although Durant is kinda overrated to me, he is still going to be better than Evans, because he is just a very very talented player. I am very anxious to see how Evans game improves and how Durant’s game matures.

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  • #384773
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    sheltwon3
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    if Evans gets a decent jumper and plays defense Huge ifs he could be a poor man’s Lebron and in the MVP consideration

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  • #384751
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    sheltwon3
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    if Evans gets a decent jumper and plays defense Huge ifs he could be a poor man’s Lebron and in the MVP consideration

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  • #384776
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    omphalos
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    I don’t know if I’d give Durant the nod for the future just yet. I’d say Reke will be the better closer in a few years even if he isn’t such a dominant scorer. Durant isn’t a great 4th quarter guy at this point. It all comes down to whether Reke can significantly improve his J. Also, I really think the Kings are going to be right on the Thunder’s heels in a couple of years with the great draft picks they’ve picked up in the last few seasons. Durant has that X-factor, but unless he puts on some weight he will continue to be man-handled by bigger bodies like Artest, Melo and James.

    In regards to the MVP voting, I see the Thunder being maybe 5th/6th in the West this season and Durant being a real shot at taking it home. Lebron has signed himself out of the race I think, no way his stats will be as good in Miami.

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  • #384755
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    omphalos
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    I don’t know if I’d give Durant the nod for the future just yet. I’d say Reke will be the better closer in a few years even if he isn’t such a dominant scorer. Durant isn’t a great 4th quarter guy at this point. It all comes down to whether Reke can significantly improve his J. Also, I really think the Kings are going to be right on the Thunder’s heels in a couple of years with the great draft picks they’ve picked up in the last few seasons. Durant has that X-factor, but unless he puts on some weight he will continue to be man-handled by bigger bodies like Artest, Melo and James.

    In regards to the MVP voting, I see the Thunder being maybe 5th/6th in the West this season and Durant being a real shot at taking it home. Lebron has signed himself out of the race I think, no way his stats will be as good in Miami.

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  • #384784
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    shannon92
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    Durant was the 1st , 2nd and 3rd option in his rookie year, they had no one else on that team so defenses focused on him, reke on the other hand had kevin martin for the start of his season to take away some of the pressure on him

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  • #384763
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    Durant was the 1st , 2nd and 3rd option in his rookie year, they had no one else on that team so defenses focused on him, reke on the other hand had kevin martin for the start of his season to take away some of the pressure on him

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  • #384795
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    zhgzstein
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    how can you even compare tyreke evans to kevin durant. Tons of players had better rookie years than kevin durant in nba history. Glenn Robinson’s rookie year: 21.9pg, 6.4rpg, 2.5apg. Does that mean glenn robinson would end up as good as durant? if he kept progressing yes but his physical tools don’t even compare. Durant is a freak. A talent that comes once every 5 years. Tyreke is really good but don’t compare him to Durant. Durant’s rookie year may not have been as good but everyone could see the potential to be a top 5 nba player. Tyreke’s potential is all star but it’ll never be top 5 in the NBA. He doesnt have the kobe/lebron/durant/dwade gene in him. He has allstar, not all time great potential

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    • #384799
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      “Tyreke’s potential is all star but it’ll never be top 5 in the NBA. He doesnt have the kobe/lebron/durant/dwade gene in him. He has allstar, not all time great potential”
      and you know this how? the jury is still out on most players right after the rookie year so i wouldnt jump to any conclusions just yet….
      wait, you said he doesn’t have some “gene”(alright skip bayless) you were talking about but, he does have a gene that a few other people that you may know about, what were their names again? oscar robertson, mj, and lebron, this “gene” im talking about is the one that allowed him to average 20 5 5 in his rookie season

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    • #384820
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      “Tyreke’s potential is all star but it’ll never be top 5 in the NBA. He doesnt have the kobe/lebron/durant/dwade gene in him. He has allstar, not all time great potential”
      and you know this how? the jury is still out on most players right after the rookie year so i wouldnt jump to any conclusions just yet….
      wait, you said he doesn’t have some “gene”(alright skip bayless) you were talking about but, he does have a gene that a few other people that you may know about, what were their names again? oscar robertson, mj, and lebron, this “gene” im talking about is the one that allowed him to average 20 5 5 in his rookie season

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  • #384816
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    zhgzstein
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    how can you even compare tyreke evans to kevin durant. Tons of players had better rookie years than kevin durant in nba history. Glenn Robinson’s rookie year: 21.9pg, 6.4rpg, 2.5apg. Does that mean glenn robinson would end up as good as durant? if he kept progressing yes but his physical tools don’t even compare. Durant is a freak. A talent that comes once every 5 years. Tyreke is really good but don’t compare him to Durant. Durant’s rookie year may not have been as good but everyone could see the potential to be a top 5 nba player. Tyreke’s potential is all star but it’ll never be top 5 in the NBA. He doesnt have the kobe/lebron/durant/dwade gene in him. He has allstar, not all time great potential

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  • #384801
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    rickyD510
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    hopefully this gene ur talking about isnt the clutch one, i know tyreke got shut down by kobe and lebron but who doesnt but he also hit two game winners in his rookie season which isnt “PHE-NOM-INAL”(jim rome) but thats more than i can say about most players in their rookies season including the ones you mentioned (kobe/lebron/durant/dwade)

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  • #384822
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    rickyD510
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    hopefully this gene ur talking about isnt the clutch one, i know tyreke got shut down by kobe and lebron but who doesnt but he also hit two game winners in his rookie season which isnt “PHE-NOM-INAL”(jim rome) but thats more than i can say about most players in their rookies season including the ones you mentioned (kobe/lebron/durant/dwade)

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  • #384803
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    dye84
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    he is definetly built like a man and he is about to be 21 i believe, he doesnt have the three point range like durant which opens up a lot, i dont know if he can be the scorer durant is but he has the potential to be a better defensive player, as far as the clutch genes go, off the top i can think of the @milwaukee, @chicago, and denver at home that he won at the buzzer, not to mention the steal he got on gilbert at the end of the game, its still early in his career, but id call that clutch

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  • #384824
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    dye84
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    he is definetly built like a man and he is about to be 21 i believe, he doesnt have the three point range like durant which opens up a lot, i dont know if he can be the scorer durant is but he has the potential to be a better defensive player, as far as the clutch genes go, off the top i can think of the @milwaukee, @chicago, and denver at home that he won at the buzzer, not to mention the steal he got on gilbert at the end of the game, its still early in his career, but id call that clutch

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  • #384811
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    lalaila
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    in my personal opinion Tyreke with out no doubts will be MVP contender in the future..!

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  • #384831
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    lalaila
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    in my personal opinion Tyreke with out no doubts will be MVP contender in the future..!

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  • #384840
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    durantula83
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    Right now, I rate Durant as a top 3 player in the league. The passion, the heart, the winning attitude, the focus it’s all present. It might be bold to say but if LeBron didn’t team up with Wade and Bosh then Durant would probably have won a Championship before LeBron.

    Tyreke is a great player but I don’t see him completely turning around a franchise as fast as Durant did. I believe it will happen though, depending on how the supporting cast (Greene, Casspi & Cousins) will evolve. This year his numbers will probably be the same as last year, if he can add a long stroke to his game then he will be unstoppable.

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  • #384860
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    Right now, I rate Durant as a top 3 player in the league. The passion, the heart, the winning attitude, the focus it’s all present. It might be bold to say but if LeBron didn’t team up with Wade and Bosh then Durant would probably have won a Championship before LeBron.

    Tyreke is a great player but I don’t see him completely turning around a franchise as fast as Durant did. I believe it will happen though, depending on how the supporting cast (Greene, Casspi & Cousins) will evolve. This year his numbers will probably be the same as last year, if he can add a long stroke to his game then he will be unstoppable.

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  • #384877
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    andxxx
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    Why are you guys doubting Tyreke evans so much? In Durant’s first season he was 20-62, in his 2nd he was 23-59. Tyreke is through his first season with a 25-57 record so why can’t his team improve at the same rate as durant’s, he’s able to get in the lane almost at will and his passing ability is underrated if he ever gets a shot i believe he could be a top 5 or at very least top 10 player in the league.

    Someone said durant played the sg position his rookie year thats why his numbers arent as good but tyreke played the point but still had the same amount of points at a higher efficiency and more rebounds when comparing rookie years, durant’s a great player but i feel you guys are undervaluing tyreke evans

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  • #384898
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    andxxx
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    Why are you guys doubting Tyreke evans so much? In Durant’s first season he was 20-62, in his 2nd he was 23-59. Tyreke is through his first season with a 25-57 record so why can’t his team improve at the same rate as durant’s, he’s able to get in the lane almost at will and his passing ability is underrated if he ever gets a shot i believe he could be a top 5 or at very least top 10 player in the league.

    Someone said durant played the sg position his rookie year thats why his numbers arent as good but tyreke played the point but still had the same amount of points at a higher efficiency and more rebounds when comparing rookie years, durant’s a great player but i feel you guys are undervaluing tyreke evans

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  • #384941
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    Jlv2010

    Tyreke is my hero.

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  • #384962
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    Jlv2010

    Tyreke is my hero.

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  • #384947
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    Mr.Knick 32
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    I still think the Kings need to win more to get into that MVP race.

    Funny how we haven’t heard about Durant as MVP until he got his team to the playoffs.

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  • #384968
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    Mr.Knick 32
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    I still think the Kings need to win more to get into that MVP race.

    Funny how we haven’t heard about Durant as MVP until he got his team to the playoffs.

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  • #384959
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    omphalos
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    I think you guys are underestimating how quickly the Kings can turn things around. If Cousins can be dominant inside, Whiteside a defensive stopper and Casspi a spark plug I can honestly see the Kings making playoffs by Reke’s 3rd season with probably the Spurs, Nuggets (if Melo leaves) and Mavs having dropped off significantly by then.

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  • #384980
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    omphalos
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    I think you guys are underestimating how quickly the Kings can turn things around. If Cousins can be dominant inside, Whiteside a defensive stopper and Casspi a spark plug I can honestly see the Kings making playoffs by Reke’s 3rd season with probably the Spurs, Nuggets (if Melo leaves) and Mavs having dropped off significantly by then.

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  • #384961
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    Jlv2010

    Just no more racing.

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  • #384982
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    Jlv2010

    Just no more racing.

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  • #384965
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    Mr.Knick 32
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    I think you guys are underestimating how quickly the Kings can turn things around. If Cousins can be dominant inside, Whiteside a defensive stopper and Casspi a spark plug I can honestly see the Kings making playoffs by Reke’s 3rd season with probably the Spurs, Nuggets (if Melo leaves) and Mavs having dropped off significantly by then.

    Cousins is not gonna be a monster from day one. Whiteside could be good on defense but is still a project. Casspi is a spark plug but just that, a spark plug. The Kings are at least 2 years away. They need another 1st round pick ( top 10) and a couple solid free agent signings to speed this up.

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  • #384986
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    Mr.Knick 32
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    I think you guys are underestimating how quickly the Kings can turn things around. If Cousins can be dominant inside, Whiteside a defensive stopper and Casspi a spark plug I can honestly see the Kings making playoffs by Reke’s 3rd season with probably the Spurs, Nuggets (if Melo leaves) and Mavs having dropped off significantly by then.

    Cousins is not gonna be a monster from day one. Whiteside could be good on defense but is still a project. Casspi is a spark plug but just that, a spark plug. The Kings are at least 2 years away. They need another 1st round pick ( top 10) and a couple solid free agent signings to speed this up.

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  • #384967
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    Malik-Universal
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    evans had the better rookie yr imo… but who knows if evans will be an mvp candaiate in a few years or whenever… stats dont mean shi+

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  • #384988
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    Malik-Universal
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    evans had the better rookie yr imo… but who knows if evans will be an mvp candaiate in a few years or whenever… stats dont mean shi+

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  • #384971
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    Jlv2010

    I’d take the Kings over the Knicks anyday.

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  • #384992
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    Jlv2010

    I’d take the Kings over the Knicks anyday.

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  • #384973
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    Mr.Knick 32
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    I’d take the Kings over the Knicks anyday.

    Roster wise, I would too.

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  • #384994
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    Mr.Knick 32
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    I’d take the Kings over the Knicks anyday.

    Roster wise, I would too.

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  • #384977
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    Jlv2010

    it’s all speculation until the facts are laid out. Kings have too many rookies and unproven players to put them on the radar just yet. Let’s just watch the next season.

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  • #384998
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    Jlv2010

    it’s all speculation until the facts are laid out. Kings have too many rookies and unproven players to put them on the radar just yet. Let’s just watch the next season.

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  • #384979
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    Mr.Knick 32
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    They pretty much bring the same team back from next season plus 2 rookies. They’re still gonna be a 25-33 win team at the best.

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  • #385000
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    Mr.Knick 32
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    They pretty much bring the same team back from next season plus 2 rookies. They’re still gonna be a 25-33 win team at the best.

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  • #384983
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    McWinning
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    Weren’t the Thunders a bunch of unproven players too?

    If you look both teams have set out similar frameworks for their teams, remember the first two year Durant was in the league his team was terrible.

    I dont think think the Kings are a playoff team next year but they could explode the year after.

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  • #385003
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    McWinning
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    Weren’t the Thunders a bunch of unproven players too?

    If you look both teams have set out similar frameworks for their teams, remember the first two year Durant was in the league his team was terrible.

    I dont think think the Kings are a playoff team next year but they could explode the year after.

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  • #384987
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    Mr.Knick 32
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    Weren’t the Thunders a bunch of unproven players too?

    Green and Durant were impressive there 2nd seasons, Westbrook was alright in his rookie season ( had a triple double or two) and Thabo was seen as a defender. They added Harden and a couple role players and things.

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    Mr.Knick 32
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    Weren’t the Thunders a bunch of unproven players too?

    Green and Durant were impressive there 2nd seasons, Westbrook was alright in his rookie season ( had a triple double or two) and Thabo was seen as a defender. They added Harden and a couple role players and things.

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  • #384989
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    omphalos
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    “Cousins is not gonna be a monster from day one. Whiteside could be good on defense but is still a project. Casspi is a spark plug but just that, a spark plug. The Kings are at least 2 years away. They need another 1st round pick ( top 10) and a couple solid free agent signings to speed this up.”

    Keep in mind I said by Reke’s 3rd season, which would be Cousins’ second. Brook Lopez only took 2 seasons to establish himself as one of the better Cs in the League, I can’t see why Cousins couldn’t do the same. I’m sure this next season will be horrible team-wise just like Durant’s second season was for the Thunder, but they’ll earn that draft pick again hopefully. Also, the only free agents they should be signing would be role players, I don’t like it when a team is building through the draft and a big-name trade or signing stunts the growth of a young team.

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  • #385009
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    omphalos
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    “Cousins is not gonna be a monster from day one. Whiteside could be good on defense but is still a project. Casspi is a spark plug but just that, a spark plug. The Kings are at least 2 years away. They need another 1st round pick ( top 10) and a couple solid free agent signings to speed this up.”

    Keep in mind I said by Reke’s 3rd season, which would be Cousins’ second. Brook Lopez only took 2 seasons to establish himself as one of the better Cs in the League, I can’t see why Cousins couldn’t do the same. I’m sure this next season will be horrible team-wise just like Durant’s second season was for the Thunder, but they’ll earn that draft pick again hopefully. Also, the only free agents they should be signing would be role players, I don’t like it when a team is building through the draft and a big-name trade or signing stunts the growth of a young team.

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  • #384993
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    Jlv2010

    30 wins at least.

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  • #385013
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    Jlv2010

    30 wins at least.

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  • #385095
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    duhrant35
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    durant is on an entirely different level than tyreke evans. evans had a way better supporting cast and was much more physically mature as a rookie. Kevin durant is much more than a once in 5 years he has a chance to be an all-time great.

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  • #385117
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    durant is on an entirely different level than tyreke evans. evans had a way better supporting cast and was much more physically mature as a rookie. Kevin durant is much more than a once in 5 years he has a chance to be an all-time great.

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  • #385154
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    Sacramento +8 wins Tyreke’s rookie season
    Seatte -9 wins Durant’s rookie season

    We all know the direction OKC has gone since KD’s rookie year, but I just thought it was an interesting stat.

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  • #385176
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    JoeWolf1

    Sacramento +8 wins Tyreke’s rookie season
    Seatte -9 wins Durant’s rookie season

    We all know the direction OKC has gone since KD’s rookie year, but I just thought it was an interesting stat.

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