Risers & Fallers
So who are some of the guys you can see going alot higher than projected?
And Who are some of the guys you can see free falling alot lower than projected, any different guys from Orton, Whiteside, and Davis?
and who are some guys you can see a team reach for? way out of range?
and i guess i'll bump this back up tomorrow night to see who really did rise, fall, got reached for, etc
I think the biggest hit was taken by the English language.
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If the Warriors take Udoh at #6, as 'sources' are saying that they will, he will be a HUGE reach. Udoh, IMO, should be late lottery-mid first round at best.
In your oppinion why is Udoh a reach at #6?
I think you will see Jordan Crawford out of Xavier rise come draft day.
Crawford will go #20 to Spurs.
i have a feeling hayward will fall out of the lottery. i also think orton will fall to the 2nd round and stanley robinson might fall to mid to late 2nd even though ive always liked his game. i havent heard a lot of positive buzz for robinson. with so many bubble 1st rounders who could go anywhere from 20-40, it makes it really hard to predict who will go where. after the draft tomorrow im sure different oppinions will say different guys fell or skyrocketed but really i feel like in that range its too unpredictable to even say.
Freefaller: Daniel Orton, I truly wouldn't be surprised if hes a 2nd rounder, plus he has questions about his knee, is he even in shape, and with the playtime he racked up in Kentucky, theres no way hes deserving of being a 1st rounder
High Riser: Jordan Crawford, his endless range, great scoring ability, all it takes is one, I wouldn't be surprised if a team falls in love with him
Big Reach: Ekpe Udoh, Ed Davis, both can go in the lottery, don't see either one as lottery picks. Ed Davis had a very dissapointing season, and i'm not convinced by Ekpe Udoh
Udoh is a reach for a few reasons:
1) At pick #6, Greg Monroe should still be available. Monroe is worlds above Udoh because he has at least one elite level skill he can bring to the NBA...passing. Plus, Monroe has something that Udoh doesn't...size. Udoh is a PF, and if he plays the C in the NBA, he will be pushed around. Monroe is 247 and has a frame that can bulk up more.
2) GS does not need Udoh. Yes, I understand that he plays defense, which is something that GS doesn't do readily. But he's in the same mold as Anthony Randolph and Brandan Wright...except he's older than both of them. Wright and Randolph's injuries last year kept them out, and I'd rather see what they can do than draft a player to sit on the bench.
3) GS needs a 5. I'm not convinced that Biedrins, Turiaf, and now Gadzuric are good enough to start. And certainly none of these players are good enough to keep you from drafting the BPA.
3) Udoh has limited athleticism and average basketball IQ. Elite level athleticism or high iq are necessary to become a star in the league. At the 6th pick, one hopes for a star, and not a role player.
4) Udoh is 23. Yes, I know that potential is overrated...but Udoh looks like he could have already reached his ceiling. Granted, his work ethic is good, but again...at #6, you want a star. Monroe can be a star, and I'm fairly certain Udoh will not.
Don't get me wrong, I like Udoh as a player and as a person...I think he could be a good player. But can he be great? I doubt it. If GS trades down to #12 and picks him there, then yes, I'd be fine with him...but at #6? No. On another note, it's funny that Monroe's athleticism is his problem/downside, along with his mentality...he's rated higher on this website for athleticism than Udoh.
Can Monroe block shots like Udoh? Can he drive the the Basket like Udoh? Can he move his feet like Udoh?
Can he guard 3 position like Udoh?
Do you no why Orton played as little as he did at KU?
Ergh, Uhm, Sir, Orton did not play at KU, he played at UK.
Secondly, That doesn't really matter, the point I am trying to make is that, the minutes he DID play, aren't deserving of being a 1st round pick.
And im going to assume its because he was stuck behind the forces known as Patrick Patterson & Demarcus Cousins, but im sure you have a better reason your going to tell me..
Um...Udoh can't guard 3 positions. He can guard at best 2...I'm not sold on his lateral quickness, but at his strength level, he'd definitely get pushed out of the paint by any big center. So yeah, Udoh's a better shot blocker, Monroe's a better post defender.
I really want to laugh at some of the things you said..."can Monroe drive the basket?" No, I guess not...I mean, the referees would probably call him out if he brought his car onto the court and decided to start towing the basket around. I don't know why Udoh gets away with that, to be honest. But as to whether he could "move his feet like Udoh?" Yeah, he can...I'm sure Monroe has the motor control necessary to put one foot in front of the other...
But honestly, Udoh doesn't really have handles, doesn't really have go to moves, and isn't necessarily an offensive presence. Maybe he'll develop those aspects, but as of right now, I'd say Monroe's better at driving to the basket than he is. Udoh's lateral quickness, again, I'm not sold on...so moving your feet like Udoh might not necessarily be that difficult to do.
Udoh is a 4. He can defend 4s, and maybe stretch 5s like Okur. But put Udoh on Cousins, and Udoh will be trying to drive the basket away. Put Udoh on John Bryant, and you will never see Udoh again. That's just how it is.
By the way, if anyone else disagrees on Udoh and thinks that he isn't a reach, explain please. I'm confused as to why you guys think GS should select Udoh, and maybe if you explain it well enough, I shall see the error of my ways and wholly embrace Udoh as the way for GS to go.
Yea... it does matter since he wasn't brought in by Calipari.... Calipari had minutes available to his own recruits.
Just remember ... you are never to dumb to learn. Now wipe your chin.
What does him not being Calipari's recruit have to do with him being a first rounder?
Keep laughing while you give yourself a pt. for every post. It's not like it's not obvious. LOL
Neither was Patterson (one of Calipari's recruits.) Patterson played big minutes.
On another note, Steve, why must you be a troll? If you disagree with someone, could you at least try to explain yourself in a logical manner?
and Orton was a freshman offered a scholarship by the outgoing coach. Does you mother have to dress you every morning?
Why are you so disrespectful?
who is this guy?
He's a troll. Let's stop feeding the troll.
What post do you consider disrespectful?... I'm talking facts and asking for for reasons other than IMO. IMO is not a basis for oppinion.
I never said the Warriors should draft Udoh over Monroe.... I just asked for your reasons. Trying to get you reveal your thoughts on the subject instead of the standard IMO.... which adds nothing to the program.
Asking him if his mom still dresses him cmon man.
I Lance Stephenson will be a 1st round pick, and I think Greivis Vazquez will be a late 1st round, even though most have him as a 2nd rounder.
I think Gordon Hayward will be a 15-20 pick, instead of the lotto pick most have him as nowadays. I also think (and hope) Daniel Orton will slide to the 2nd round will all the questions about him.
If Solomon Alabi goes in the 20-25 range he was a reach (Alabi is terrible IMO), also as much as I like Udoh I think he's a reach at #6.
When it comes to Stephenson, he definitely has the talent, and he seems to have the desire to win. Stephenson late in the first would be a great pick.
I don't know if Vazquez will be picked in the first round, but if he goes second, he'll be a steal.
Orton is a question mark; I still think he'll go late first because some team will be willing to take a risk on him. But I agree with you on Alabi...Alabi is big and nothing else. He's slow and not that strong...in transition, he'd be a problem.
steve from nowthen is the kid we all used to pick on in high school and now hes some fortune 500 president getting back at us on the internet
by the way steve, you my friend are quite the dumbass insulting magikknick on his english when you managed this brain-dazzling sentence
Do you no why Orton played as little as he did at KU?
not only did you manage to spell know incorrectly but you also made a cardinal sin by mixing up kentucky with kansas
please go wipe your chin now as your mother dresses you