ricky rubio vs. john wall
ricky rubio > john wall
they're two completely different players. Rubio isn't the athlete Wall is obviously but he's a passing whiz with a high b-ball iq. Wall is an explosive athlete who is still developing at getting his teammates involved. Two completely different players and way too early to tell who will be better.
1on1 = wall , 5on5 = rubio
you can say that.
since the nba is 5vs5... rubio > wall
Rubio helped the T Wolves in the win column more than Wall helped the Wizards. Let's see if John Wall can lead the Wizards to some more wins now that Brad Beal and Nene are on board.
Wall is way way closer to be leader pure point and playmaker(he is actually great here by him self) as Rubio is than Rubio is athlete scorer like Wall
In Spain = Rubio
F_S I have to respect you on how you're not afraid to tell everyone exactly what you think. Right when you think it. Without much expanation. +1 to you.
Personally I would much rather have a PG like Rubio to lead my team. Wall may be a great athlete but this is basketball, not the olympics and Rubio has such poise and could run any offense from day one. If he can develop a bit more of a jumper and continues to improve as a passer any offense he is running could be unstoppable in a couple years... Sure if Wall develops a jumper he could be incredible as well, but I don't see him as such the offensive catalyst that Rubio already is.
Is it too crazy to think that John Wall could break out like D Rose sometime? I don't know if or when it will happen, and I'm not saying it will, but I think he can and has the talent too. Rubio on the other hand has moves that resemble more Pistol Pete. He's no Pistol Pete but just the way he handles the ball is though. Of course he's much more of a passer rather than a scorer. But then he's gone til' December it seems- so I would take Wall. While that may be far fetched to some everyone is entitled to their opinions- I too like that about F_S not afraid to express his... so although it may be a different one- another +1 for that. It really depends on how the team is built to determine the better player imo.
I would take Rubio, but in the right system Wall could develop into a pretty dynamite player. Rubio is just the better player right now in my opinion. He is a better passer and floor general who just does more at this point to help his team win. Wall could break out on a better team, but the Wizards just aren't a great fit for him, as they lack shooting big time. They look like they should be more of a defensive team next year.
Why are so many people saying you can't compare them because they are different players? People compare different players all the time, especially ones that play the same position or that are playing at the same time period. If that's the case we should stop making these top pg lists because quite a few of these guys are nothing alike in playing style.
I'll take Rubio though. Just because a guy is a better athlete that doesn't make him a better player. There are a lot of reasons why Kobe is still the best sg, why Duncan is still being productive with less touches and minutes than guys far younger and agile than he is. I remember someone had said one time that "John Wall is far more interested in trying to dunk the ball than he is at trying to be a point guard." I agree and I'll leave it at that.
Rubio understands how to play the game better and just has that "it" factor when it comes to being a point guard. Some guys have to learn it, some guys are just born with it. Rubio is born with it.
He's a better shooter and defender than Wall too.
It's sad that Wall's a worse shooter too.
Wall does have a somewhat similar game to Rubio in my opinion. Wall is a scoring menace in transition, but he goes to a lot of effort to get his guys going in the half-court, and that is reflected in his high assist numbers. Wall excels at the drive and kick as far as playmaking is concerned, but the Wizards haven't had the sort of catch and shoot players to help him out.
Rubio on the other hand controls the pace a bit more and uses his outstanding vision to is opportunities for others to score. They are both pass-first PGs in the half-court IMO, just different sorts. This will be the big year though, Wall finally has good shooters around him and just a better team in general.
Just thought I'd make a point that if you combined Rubio and Wall you'd have a player who is a terror in transition, is a great defender, can move the ball or drive and kick, is a great athlete and a bad shooter, with a high BBIQ. So in other words you would have Rajon Rondo.
The underrating of Wall continues.
Not only do my eyes tell me that this is John Wall, but the stats back it up as well. John Wall through two NBA seasons on VERY bad teams has averaged 16 ppg, 8 apg, and 1.6 spg. No way you can convince me that if John Wall had Kevin Love on the 2012 Wizards, he wouldn't of averaged 9.5-10 apg. That's just one player. I like Ricky Rubio a lot, he's great for the league, and he has an awesome fit there with the Timberwolves, but it's not like John Wall couldn't be a great facilitator with the right coaching/system/cast.
It's not just the numbers, at least right now an offense ran by Rubio is many times smoother and more effective than an offense ran by Wall. Anyone who watched Rubio before he got injured last season can attest to that, with him on the floor the Timberwolves were a different team all together. Sure Wall is a great athlete but Rubio made the team as a whole so much better, I didn't see Wall making that sort of difference. I believe that is a mostly natural instincts as well, a lot of things Rubio does cannot be taught in a film session....
They're both inefficient scorers but Rubio more so than Wall. Rubio is a better outside shooter but not by much, 31.6 versus 28.5 on jumpshots. The adjusted numbers are better than that for Rubio because he shot more and made more threes than Wall but they're both pretty bad outside shooters. Wall at least makes up for some of his poor outside shooting by being a great finisher at the rim, enough to get his FG percentage above 40. Rubio is a poor finisher and a poor outside shooter which explains his 35 FG percentage.
I really did love how Rubio ran an offense, how he passed the ball up ahead when a teammate was open and made the simple pass along with the flashy one. His individual defense wasn't great but he was so good at clogging up driving lanes with his anticipation and quick hands that he had a big positive impact on Minnesota's defense. After he went down, all their defensive numbers got much worse.
If you can average 8APG in two years with JaVale McGee, Andray Blatche, Nick Young, and Jordan Crawford... you're pretty damn good.
We cannot forget that Rubio made very useful experience in Europe while the one only year in college and staying in the Washington crazy gang may be not the best for Wall. Today i think Rubio is a better team leader while Wall as the upper upside.