Huge move for the 2011 class. I like it. I think he will play well. I have to ask: Is Duke becoming cool and is it cool to go to the Villian now?
I think since coach k started coaching the usa team he has became more relevant to the kids of today seeing what he does with the superstars of today that they want to be coached and taught by him..so I think duke will start out recruiting unc and other tops schools conistantly
Love the pick up by the Blue Devils.
Can't wait to see them play. Mr. Knick have you ever been to Cameron Indoor?
Solid pick up for sure and it's nice to keep up that DC Assault pipeline.
Never been to Cameron, It's on my list however.
I also agree, I believe Duke will began to start out recruiting UNC if Duke's pro prospects can come through over the next couple seasons.
Well this is not at all an example of Duke out recruiting Carolina. I also don't think UNC is suffering at all in the recruiting department as they already have 2 5-stars racked up for next year. But it is certainly nice to know that we will likely be better than UNC for the next couple years. Nothings for sure though, they will likely be very good too.
Why does Dunk always steal DMV recruits? They should be going to Maryland.
Maybe just maybe....Maryland isin't where it's at?
Gary Williams, although I don't like him is a great coach, and he always gets the best out of his players. However, he is not a very good recruiter at all. He really just doesn't go after kids like some of the other coaches, which is definitely a big part of it.
I agree Im Your Father.
Gary is a great coach and always gets the best out of his players. He'll take 3-star recruits and turn them into college stars, and always overachieves with his teams, but in order for this team to make a deep run in the NCAA tournament, Maryland has to land those 5-stars recruits that are potential one-&-done candidates. I know you don't want youur players to leave after one year, but you just have to get the best out of them while there and just hope to get more recruits like them in the future. Gary is a coach that doesn't go to visit his recruits, instead he sends his coaching staff to meet them, and if he wants to win an NCAA Championship anytime soon, he has to stop this.
Guess this means no for Kabongo to Duke right?
Correct, he went back to Texas
I thought i read somewhere that Cook and Smith are real good friends and thats why he has been a lock for Duke?
You read correctly McDunkin. Well mostly. He was also a huge UNC fan and was considered to be a UNC lock if they ever offered, which they didn't.
once again, ucla misses out on most of the big names. such sadness
Yeah Im Your Father i read it on a Duke forum so maybe thats why there wasnt a emphasis on the UNC side of things, but because of that ive had it in my mind for months that him and Duke were a given
He definitely does need to start visiting kids personally if he wants to win consistently, I have no idea why he doesn't do that. But didn't maryland just land a 5-star? His name is slipping my mind at the moment, but it was only maybe a week ago.
Gary can win a title without getting the best of the best Did it before
And what's changed at duke? Coach k has always gotten a bunch of all Americans almost every year so what makes y'all think all if a sudden it's abnormal for coach k to get good players? Nothings changed he still gets all Americans as usual
And alot of people from
home know why Gary doesn't get the top players. He's burned bridges in the past with top highschools because he won't cater to them or do any favors. He won't add any of the schools coachs to his staff a d tells recruits they will not start unless the earn it. Another thing he used to do is just send assistance out to recruit instead of going his self. He has recently started going to the recruits. Another thing is he hates to deal with aau coachs
Gary can win a title without getting the best of the best Did it before
He did it when the NCAA talent was BELOW average. Further evidence? The 2002 NBA draft where there wasn't a ton of talent. Maryland got hot and won by luck. They are a average team and had he not won that title, he'd probably have gotten canned.
I don't know, the NBA talent in 2002 might have been below average, but there were some great college players. Duke's 2002 team was fantastic, and I'm still pissed about that loss to Indiana.
But, give Gary Williams some credit, that Maryland team was very good and had some amazing players. Juan Dixon, Lonny Baxter, Steve Blake, Wilcox. That was one of the most talented teams in the country and Gary Williams did a great coaching job. I hate it when people say teams won by luck. Did Duke win by luck this year because the other 1 seeds got knocked out?
In my mind he is definitely a great college coach and that was a fantastic team, who I hated with a passion I might add.
To me, I think he's a good coach but a below average recruiter. At some point, you need talent to win.
Yea mr knick doesn't know what he's talking about. There was some very very good college talent that year. More talented teams then in alot of years. That's basically short changing what Maryland did. Every era is different and it tajes a very very good team to win a title. You don't need all Americans to win it. It helps but you don't need it. Especially since 95 percent of them are gone before they become seniors. Great coachs win titles over great recruiters all the time just ask coach cal
Player School Player School Player School
Associated Press  Jason Williams Duke Sam Clancy Southern California Brandin Knight Pittsburgh
Juan Dixon Maryland Mike Dunleavy Duke Jason Gardner Arizona
Drew Gooden Kansas Casey Jacobsen Stanford Erwin Dudley Alabama
Steve Logan Cincinnati Jared Jeffries Indiana Tayshaun Prince Kentucky
Dan Dickau Gonzaga David West Xavier Carlos Boozer Duke
USBWA Jason Williams Duke Sam Clancy Southern California No third team
Juan Dixon Maryland Mike Dunleavy Duke
Drew Gooden Kansas Casey Jacobsen Stanford
Steve Logan Cincinnati Jared Jeffries Indiana
Dan Dickau Gonzaga David West Xavier
NABC Jason Williams Duke Udonis Haslem Florida David West Xavier
Juan Dixon Maryland Tayshaun Prince Kentucky Jason Gardner Arizona
Drew Gooden Kansas Casey Jacobsen Stanford Carlos Boozer Duke
Steve Logan Cincinnati Jared Jeffries Indiana Kirk Hinrich Kansas
Mike Dunleavy Duke Dan Dickau Gonzaga Sam Clancy Southern California
Sporting News Jason Williams Duke Sam Clancy Southern California Dwyane Wade Marquette
Juan Dixon Maryland Mike Dunleavy Duke Hollis Price Oklahoma
Drew Gooden Kansas Caron Butler Connecticut Kirk Hinrich Kansas
Steve Logan Cincinnati Luke Walton Arizona Jared Jeffries Indiana
Dan Dickau Gonzaga Mike Dunleavy Duke David West Xavier
AP Honorable Mention: Tommy Adams, Hampton; Luboš Bartoň, Valparaiso; Lonny Baxter, Maryland; Troy Bell, Boston College; Steve Blake, Maryland; Brett Blizzard, UNC Wilmington; Matt Bonner, Florida; Curtis Borchardt, Stanford; Caron Butler, Connecticut; Nick Collison, Kansas; Jason Conley, VMI; Josh Davis, Wyoming; Patrick Doctor, American; Henry Domercant, Eastern Illinois; Corsley Edwards, Central Connecticut State; Melvin Ely, Fresno State; Jason Erickson, Montana State; Reggie Evans, Iowa; T. J. Ford, Texas; Jerry Green, UC Irvine; Lynn Greer, Temple; Rod Grizzard, Alabama; Anthony Grundy, NC State; Ryan Hainje, Butler; Jarvis Hayes, Georgia; Kirk Hinrich, Kansas; Fred Jones, Oregon; Jason Kapono, UCLA; Kyle Korver, Creighton; Greg Lewis, Winthrop; John Linehan, Providence; Chris Marcus, Western Kentucky; Keith McLeod, Bowling Green; Ugonna Onyekwe, Penn; Mario Porter, Rider; McEverett Powers, Texas-San Antonio; Hollis Price, Oklahoma; Luke Recker, Iowa; Luke Ridnour, Oregon; Héctor Romero, New Orleans; Kareem Rush, Missouri; Predrag Savović, Hawaii; Preston Shumpert, Syracuse; Darius Songaila, Wake Forest; T. J. Sorrentine, Vermont; Thomas Terrell, Georgia State; Dwyane Wade, Marquette; Dajuan Wagner, Memphis; Luke Walton, Arizona; Frank Williams, Illinois
I never said great recruiters win titles, I said you eventually need talent to win. Maryland won the N'Title and did what with it? What superstar recruit did that turn into? What did they build on with that? Nothing from what I seen.
What did the list of players mean? Are you trying to prove that there was talent in the NCAA's then? Really?
Maryland won a title, teams luck up and win sometime, it happens. I admit Duke did luck up and get a easy pace to the Title, not because they deserved the 1 seed but SU didn't handle business.
Mr. Knick that is not a good argument. You don't luck up and win a championship ever. By that reasoning most of the champions have been lucky, but often the best team doesn't win. Beating 6 of the best 64 teams in the country in a row isn't ever lucky. Duke won and Maryland won because they took care of business against every team that they faced. Lucking into a championship would be winning the title game on bad call or something.
Also Duke absolutely deserved a one-seed, they weren't even the fourth one-seed, they were the third one.
I agree that Gary Williams isn't a great recruiter, and that he needs to change his recruiting philosophy if he wants to succeed, but that 2002 team was a great team that beat other talented teams. I actually think the overall talent level in college basketball was much higher then than it is now, because even though the very best players went straight from high school, many of the best college players stayed for several years instead of just bolting when their stock was highest.
The teams win by skill not luck. Maryland won because they outplayed team they didn't luck up
And that list was to show u how wrong u were about low talent level. That year was a very good year as far as college talent. You don't need all Americans to win. It's nice to have and they give you a better chance if you have good vets around them but it's not something you need. You can win without them or with them
Plus, as I said, that Maryland team did have ton of talent, a team with a starting lineup of
Someone I can't remember
doesn't just luck into winning a championship.
Also Duke absolutely deserved a one-seed, they weren't even the fourth one-seed, they were the third one.
Syracuse would have been in Duke's position. Because Duke won the ACC and Syracuse lost in the 1st Big East game ( 1st or 2nd) they flipped.
Also, Stanford: Your naming dudes from like North Carolina State, Hawaii and Penn. Come on now. Still explain to me how Maryland didn't capitalize on that N'Title and feel to the middle of the pack...
Exactly. Every body that I've asked since we started this convo agrees that 2002 was a very good year as far as talent
I agree Gary isn't the best recruiter as far as getting top players from hs because he was stuck in his ways. He's gotten better the past 2 year now and it's showing in his recruiting. But very very few are better at finding players who aren't nationally know and developing them
Texas, ga tech has had at least 6 more micky d's since 2000 and probably ever yet they have zero titles to show for it
What does what college they are from have to do with how good the player is? You're the only person that thinks the talent level was low then.
Do you really think that 2002 wasn't a year that was filled with talent. Because you are just wrong about that part. Also It isn't like the other good teams in their bracket were knocked off, they were a 1 seed and played the 4 seed in the sweet 16 and the 2 seed in the elite 8 and beat Kansas in the final four. They were by no means lucky.
In terms of Duke, they still would have been a one seed anyway, I don't see how it really makes a difference.
But you are right that Maryland did not really capitalize recruiting wise on their title.
I disagree about the talent but that's not here nor there.
What is his ways? I mean, explain how guys like Carmelo, Nolan Smith, Beasley, Selby, C.J. Fair, Barton and TONS other leave the DC/Maryland area in the past 6 seasons. Not to mention, these guys haven't given MD a ton of look either. What's up with that?
The Terps did just land Nick Faust. He isn't a 5-star, but he is a high 4-star prospect. He is ranked 41st by Scout.com, 42nd by Rivals.com, and 37th by ESPN, even though he was ranked 25th before the recent update, which means he slipped a little.
So Maryland is 1/100 in 8 years when getting top recruits. Good to know!
(Still waiting to see if Stanford pulls out the Stanford card...)
Because in the past Gary has not only burn bridges but he also wouldn't go to recruits houses he would send a assistant. He also wouldn't cater to aau coachs or coachs demands like kstate hiring delonte west ( dc assualt aau coach) or Texas hiring one of Durant peoples as a scout just 2 examples. He's old school but he didn't get that old school isn't gonna get the top recruits these days. You have to do something for there crew as well in some cases. Alot of people from the dc are knows these things. It's pretty much common knowledge. And alot of the area hs coachs know this and they tell the players not to go to Maryland
So your going to keep the coach who's burn bridges and constantly builds teams with at best Sweet Sixteen potential?
To me, that just says if he didn't win the title, he'd be gone.
You can't win a title every year genius. Other then duke Unc Kansas Kentucky ucla how many other teams win a bunch of titles???? Exactly
How many does Syracuse or st johns have with all the all Americans they get?
How cone duke doesn't win it every year when they get at least 3 all Americans every year?
I don't need to pull out any cards because you clearly don't know what you're talking about
A lot of programs would be thrilled to have Gary Williams's success. He gets teams to the tourney on a pretty regular basis. Seems like you have been spoiled by being a Duke fan. The last couple years when our fan base was &$#%#&@!ing and moaning about losing in the sweet 16, people tended to forget that most programs would kill to regularly get to the sweet 16.
Noone said you need to win a title every year oh smart one.
Like I said, Maryland has NOT captialized on that N'Title and cannot recruit top recruits well. Therefore, they never are capable of winning more than like 25 games. They cannot go farther then the sweet sixteen. That's where the recruits come in and they clearly don't bring them in. You need talent to win.
by you're logic many coachs should be fired. Syracuse coach should have been fired along time ago huh. Gonzaga should have fired coachs since they never won a title. Bobby knight even coach k for not winning a title at first while at duke or not winning a title every year with all those all Americans.
Coach Williams burned bridges by doing things the right way. Yeah he should be fired huh
How many coachs would kill for
2 final fours
3 acc tournament titles
A couple of regular season acc titles
Ask coach k if Gary has done a very good job at Maryland. Coach k has even said Gary is easily a hall of fame coach.
Coach calipari should prob be fired as well with all those players and no title. Yea makes perfect sense
Your cracking me up over here. I never said he should have gotten fired, I said he probably would have gotten fired. Big difference.
Excuse me: Syracuse has gotten talent in the past, Gonzaga has, Indiana has and Duke did in the past as well ( Duke because of Coach K started recruiting out West again under him)
Maybe you cannot read so I'll say it here in bold: I don't expect Maryland to win a title every year but talent wins. If you cannot recruit good talent, you will probably not come close to a title.
Hope that clears it up for you because you said that I said those coaches should be fired twice and got it WRONG.
Why hasn't Texas or ga tech won a title then? Could ut be because you need coaching alot more then high school all americans talent? Hmmmm
How come Kentucky didn't win it last year? They had talent. More talent then west virgina who had no Micky d's?
How did Syracuse beat a Kansas team who had more micky d's and higher ranked highschool players?
Like I said top
Recruits help but you can get to the final four or title game without them if you have a great coach and develop good players
Just like how the euro teams beat our u.s teams in the past that were more talented
Also, I highly doubt EVERY good DC/Maryland player is saying "give me money or I'm not playing for Maryland"
Can't use that as a blanket excuse. You know what good recruiters do then? They go and attack another state around the school, which Maryland has not done.
Texas and Georgia Tech both have below average coaches.
Kentucky was a loaded FRESHMAN team that couldn't shoot
Syracuse played extremely well, Melo played lights out and Gerry Mac hit enough 3's to keep the lead for them.
"So your going to keep the coach who's burn bridges and constantly builds teams with at best Sweet Sixteen potential?"
Doesn't that indicate that you think he should be fired? And if that's the case using you're logic doesn't that mean other coachs that builds teams with sweet 16 potential should be fired?
Doesn't saying that indicate ge should be fired in you're opinion?
No, I that was a question, why do you keep him if all he does is builds sweet 16 teams at best?
We could even go down and look at other teams, they pulled in some good recruits. G-Town, Baylor, Florida, Memphis, UCLA, Oregon, Pittsburgh, Florida State among many have gotten some good/above average recruits over those 8 years.
Like I said in the previous post: I doubt all DC/Maryland recruits are saying, I want money or I'm not going to Maryland.
the team with the most talent doesn't always win. Like I said you can win without having the best talent. And it's not luck. Any baller/coach can tell you that
Once again, I never said the team with the most talent always win. I clearly said: Talent wins.
no not all are saying that but alot are. And if you're not willing to meet there demands you're not gonna get them. Some coachs just aren't gonna give in to a recruits crew just to get the top player. Bobby knight is another coach who wouldn't do it
you can believe what u want but alot if people in the area know the real deal
the fact is Gary is a great coach that does things the right way and turns no names into very good to great college players. He develops talent better then any other coach
Of course fans would like the team to get high tanking players but I'm happy getting the players we get and then beating these teams with the all Americans
There was an article in the Washington Post about a year ago talking about Gary Williams' overall recruiting, and the main reason he doesn't get big time recruits is because he hates recruting throught the AAU pipeline like all the other coaches do. For some reason he recruits almost exclusively through the high school that the player attends.
BTW one of my friends is very close with Quinn Cook and has known him and played basketball with him since 3rd grade. Duke has been at the top of his list for a very long time and it doesn't suprise me at all that Duke is where he went opposed to Georgetown or Maryland.
yeah thats one of the reasons on top of him not going to recruit players his self and the bad relationship he has with area coachs( because he wont cater to them). He's bobby knight old school. the past two years hes started going to aau games which ios part of the reason he got the 37th and 52nd (espn)ranked players in the nation for next year