Why is it such a big deal that NCAA college athletes get payed or benefits?
They have talent and should get rewarded for it
because if you pay some then you have to pay all equally to keep a fair playing field. Otherwise if you pay guys depending on how well they perform or how high of a recruit they are then it is basically a pro league. Might as well include agants and have hold outs to get the best deals. And the bigger schools would have a higher salary budget and then we really would see an even greater inbalance in sports competitivenss. However if you suggest paying all athletes the same is the way to go, then numerous division 1 schools would probably have to either fold sports programs in order to keep up with the larger schools, or the larger schools would pay less to stay even with the smaller schools in which case the athletes at those larger schools who want to break the rules are gonna still take money from boosters or agents since the school isnt paying much.
Reality is that in basketball, at least, nobody is being forced to play college ball. Go play pro if you want overseas or in the dleague right of highschool and make money if thats what you want to do.
OK but isnt that how is allready is? When was the last time Duke and North Caronlina werent in the top 25
Look at Kentucky there not gonna get much better players then they have now
And what about BYU and Jimmer Fredette .Jimmer was only looked at by like 4 colleges but he was still able to lead BYU to a great season this year
it would be far worse then now. And you didnt address most of the potential issues i brought up. What if jimmer becomes an all-american and then demands more money. Other schools are willing to pay him mor ethen byu can afford. He becomes a free agent and transfers. Trust me, if you say go ahead and pay guys and give them benefits that is exactly hwo things will break down. Thats not what i want out of college basketball. How about if they want to get paid they just play pro?
The moment you start getting paid regularly to play, you are a professional. Thus, you shall join a professional league.
And I've said it before and I'll say it again, these kids are gettin paid. A scholarship is worth a lot if you don't just dick around outside of playing ball. They get gear from the schools too and plenty of other incentives. They are hardly playing for free.
yeah, free room and tuition at college is not cheap. add on that they are practically celebrities oncampus living the good life. They also are given the ability to play on television and audition for the nba almost weekly and get their name out there. Paying them would mess a lot of things up for college athletics and no one is forced to play college basketball.
The average scholarship isn't that much and it's on a year to year basis, while the NCAA make billions in tv contract, endorsements, athletic wear.. I don't think that adds up, somebody is making a lot of money off of college athletics and it isnt the players..
yeah, but how do you suggest fixing it is the problem? There really isnt a way to fix it that would be fair and work acrooss the board of ncaa division 1 athletics. As of now, nobody is being hurt by the current system. Everyone is benefitting some way or else they wouldnt be involved with college athletics.
Yeah then just dont allow players to get paid to transder there you go solved that problem
But M-Dymes most of the top talented college basketball players (The ones who would get paid) dont even pay attention to getting a college education that much
I guaranty you they spend so much more time and hard work on trying to go pro then paying attention to college and while they spend so much more time on trying to go pro ,a low percentage of them dont make it and wasted all of this effort and skill and dont get a dime out of it while the NCAA makes billions as billyk said
I don't care how much a shcolarship is worth, it's still a blessing to most of the players that end up with it.
I think that the kids should diligently take their education, and work hard to become greater, but it is a problem that stuff like this gets in the way, and it's bad for College Basketball, and Football.
just dont pay guys who transfer, solved that problem? Really you think problem is solved? So you want athletes to get paid but they can not transfer? You dont see any potential problems there?
No I honestly dont see any problems
"But M-Dymes most of the top talented college basketball players (The ones who would get paid) dont even pay attention to getting a college education that much"
And whose fault do you suppose that is? Maybe they should pull their heads out of their asses and realize the value of a college degree, especially when the NBA is in a lockout. What happens if they get seriously injured? What happens when they don't pan out in the NBA? What happens when they retire? What happens when they spend their fortunes that they earned in the NBA on bling, parties, and cars only to find themselves bankrupt?
Maybe then they will realize they were making a decent buck playing college ball. If they used the opportunity properly.
"The average scholarship isn't that much and it's on a year to year basis,"
Yea its not worth that much to a kid moving outta the ghetto where their families have been living paycheck to paycheck for years. Only to find that that scholarship is worth more than their Dad makes working a year at minimum wage.
And its not all about the face value of a scholarship.
Scholarship can lead to a degree. And a degree can land to a high paying job. And a high paying job you could be making hundreds of thousands of dollars annually even after your bball career ends.
i dont think you have put enough thought into this topic then. You do realize that by making these athletes professional athletes who are paid according to performance/recruitment ranking they are now workers. They are no different then teachers or policemen. They have a job where they are paid for their duties. To tell them they can not transfer to a higher paying job that they are worthy of and being offered would re&$#%#&@! in law suits.
OK so whats your point saying its there fault? EVERYONE allready knew its there fault
You stating that whole paragraph isnt going to change any of the College basketball players minds and start working hard in class
I know people that barely have a chance of getting a D1 scholarship to play basketball that couldnt care less about school because of there passion for basketball
So that problem with college athletes isnt going to change
Because if they worked hard then that scholarship would be much more valuable than it was @ face value, which even then was still valuable.
Think about it...
You earn a 3.0 from a 4 year program, while on scholarship for 4 years. You earn your degree. Basketball either doesn't workout in the future or you eventually retire. Now you still have that degree, probably invaluable networks you made at the U, and now you can obtain a very nice high salaried job instead of just bumming or living off old money.
I think you don't understand that scholarship can be an investment that can increase its worth overtime, even if you come from a nice living situation and don't think a college scholarship is worth alot @ face value.
OK look at the NBA .They cant just switch teams when ever they want.They NCAA can make there own rules
So if you really want to transfers school that badly then you wont get paid to do so .It your deccesion
LL Perez, I think you accidently typed up res1ut, and it triggered the censor, lol.
Yes M-Dymes I obviously know that but what does that have to do with getting paid to play basketball at the College level?
And apparently its not a BIG problem, b/c you still see players going to college to play v. just going straight to the D-League. If it was that monumental of an injustice than these players have every right not to let these evil institutions exploit them as "slaves" (lol).
It means they are...that scholarship is their pay, it is their incentive. Not to mention it is a great way to get their name out there to future employers and network.
It is essentially an internship where their pay is a scholarship. Just like a brilliant neurology student could obtain at a University.
OK they are treated more like slaves now then they would be if they got paid(Lol your wrong)
U just fail to realize that a scholarship is equivalent to a benefit/pay/salary @ the college level.
IDK how as I and others have explained it in the past, but you are.
So your basically saying they are all ready getting payed at the College level?Right?
"Only to find that that scholarship is worth more than their Dad makes working a year at minimum wage." What relevance does that make, who cares...
Most of the time a kid out of the "ghetto" gets a scholarship chances are he is more interested in playing pro ball than getting an education (although some kids do value the education), but thats a social issue...
By the way what does a non profit organization need with billions of dollars, why do tax payers pay for ridiculous coaches salaries (Jim calhaoun), why "student athletes" need to practice so much, why booster are so prevalent on college campuses, why coaches get treated like celebrities, what part of the game is that?
I'm saying they are getting paid as they should to play basketball as a full time student. They have every right to not go to their excellent institutions which provide them with a free stage to show off their talents to employers and a free education with the opportunity to take advantage of a degree that could earn them hundreds of thousands of dollars in the future. Not to mention a chance to build a name with a legacy that will follow them for a lifetime and could open doors for them in itself.
"Most of the time a kid out of the "ghetto" gets a scholarship chances are he is more interested in playing pro ball than getting an education (although some kids do value the education), but thats a social issue..."
Then it is that social issue which is the issue and not this injustice of supposedly not giving these players the compensation they deserve. They are compensated, the problem is many don't take advantage of that compensation. If they were truly good enough to earn money playing ball, they have a right to not attend college, go to euroball or d-league or a minor league somewhere and earn some straight $$$$.
OK what would be so bad about getting payed to play then which is my question
OK what would be so bad about getting payed to play then? which is my question
"You earn a 3.0 from a 4 year program, while on scholarship for 4 years. You earn your degree. Basketball either doesn't workout in the future or you eventually retire. Now you still have that degree, probably invaluable networks you made at the U, and now you can obtain a very nice high salaried job instead of just bumming or living off old money."
That's being idealistic and naive, especially in the times we live in where kids are coming out of college with no jobs... A lot of kids go to college without any formal high school education but, they were a still to get through high school because of their tremendous athletic abilities.. To earn a "high salaried job" you have to major in something that takes an certain amount of formal education...
The major college sports is set up like any other corporation that's main job is to make money but masquerades as a tax exempt non profit higher education institution.
Because they essentially already are with the scholarship. They are getting enough benefits (all the ones I have stated in the past posts) to compensate all their hard work they are giving to the University, which the work itself is a must for them to provide for free anywhere atleast to get noticed by a league that will pay them professionally. It gives them a chance to show off their talents. It is their audition to make it to the biggest league with the highest salary paying potential.
If they want to skip the audition and take a chance on entering the league by waiting or join another league, playing, and coming back....lets see their draft stock then. With exception to Jennings, its tends not to work out that well.
Brandon Jennings was a kid who understands what you're saying. He wanted more than a scholarship, he didn't want to get an extended education at this stage as much as he wanted to make money and travel internationally. So he made that choice. It is his right, and not a bad choice at all if he feels the money and experience in Europe was worth more that a college education would have to him at this stage.
Nothing is bad about paying them. Except you are opening other doors like why shouldn't the elite students who bring money into to the school be getting paid for their efforts. And how much should each player make. And why does this player get paid while this one doesn't. Will players make college choices based on how much each institution is willing to pay them? Is there a salary cap?
Its just unnecessary. The players are getting plenty as is.
"That's being idealistic and naive, especially in the times we live in where kids are coming out of college with no jobs... A lot of kids go to college without any formal high school education but, they were a still to get through high school because of their tremendous athletic abilities.. To earn a "high salaried job" you have to major in something that takes an certain amount of formal education..."
Believe me, I know a thing about the job market. And having a degree is going to be even more important in the future with globalization and the economy in the US being down the &$#%#&@! and only getting worse.
That scholarship is worth more now then at any time before. It may be harder to find deeent jobs with a degree, but its going to be even worse without one and in the future, unless you have the connects, it could be damn near impossible.
I don't think some of you guys fully understand the grind of being a college athlete. The regular college student can be full time and still get a part time job and make a little side cash to do little things if they want. As a college athlete at the D-1 level there is absolutely no time for that. You have to be full-time, then 3 hrs of practice a day, the weightlifting and individual workout sessions, and on top of that the mandatory study hall hours that most universities have for their athletes and solo homework and studying time. You guys might think it's a privelage but it's really more like a job where you're making the company boatloads of money and getting no return. Yes the free education, room & board are great...but what about the travel involved, where you have to miss class and still must make up the work. You get to play on TV, ok sure...but if the athletes weren't racking up wins and building tradition for their institution would they have these TV deals that pay so much? Didn't think so. In all honesty, they're getting pimped. Some guys I know don't even have the time or money to take a girl to see a movie on the weekend. I'm not suggesting a pay for talent, but a uniform one time grant per semester or year that goes to every D-1 athlete(around $2000). Once they spend it, it's on them. You can't have these athletes do everything they do and not get any incentive in return. You guys say the opportunity to obtain a college degree and high paying job is incentive enough...but what's gonna make an athlete with a 3.0 more attractive than the student who can spend all their time focusing on school and has a 3.5 more attractive to employers? Nothing. They're put at a disadvantage in that respect too. If you really think it's a formality that all these athletes should maintain 3.5GPA's while going through all this on a day to day for 5+ months a yeaar then you're greatly underestimating how much work is put in to being an athlete at that level.
IF your were to pay College Basketball players or any college sport for that matter there would be a lockout right now.
Plus I like M-Dymes response, they are getting paid by benefits of a free college education, as well as doind what they love to do at the same time. Remember they are STUDENTathletes, meaning they should be hitting those books and trying to make themselves have a better opportunity in life rather then just goof off. Do you know how people around the world or even in the US would love to go to college and major in anything they want, but can't because they don't have the resources available to them(low budget high schools using old textbooks,kids with parents working 2 jobs each just to make ends meet, students working against the odds studying trying to even get a scholarship to afford going to college) Trust me your a freshman now and you probably don't give a F@ck about school now but wait til your 4 years are up, and you soon realize "man I wish I would have tried harder to get better grades", " I wish I could go to school doing this [insert major] instead I have to settle for this one because it cost less". Btw like MDymes said you definately need a degree to get even a simple job now in days, Because the economy is so bad, its literally a mosh pit for every open position. There are people with masters degrees working min. wage jobs because their field of choice is on the low, but I can tell you this much that person with that masters degree with get a a job before you or I will because of that degree. Good thing I am going to school for auto body painting so I can do that on the side for extra income if I feel like, or start my own business. The point is, Its great to play basketball and go pro, but its also important that one day you will retire and money runs out eventually even millionaires, so yuo will always need a back up plan in life for emergencies.
Sidenote- Can you please stop saying OK after someone gives you a reason(don't capitalize it atleast) it seems like your saying "whatever" and then giving your reason. If you don't mean to apply this way then nevermind
If it wasn't a privilege, then the kids simply wouldn't play ball. Cause as you some of you are saying, academics for these players is usually not of importance at all. Then why even play college ball? Clearly, because they love the game and/or they think they have a shot at the next level.
If they didn't want to play, the don't have to. Its is a privilege to the fullest. You want me to feel bad b/c their schedules are hectic? Hell, if you ask damn near anyone on this site if they could trade positions with a D1 college bball player, I can guarantee you about 95% of the people here would say they would.
Of course because 95% of the people on this sit can't get a scholarship to play ball and they wish they could... That's besides the point playing college ball is a privilege and in an ideal world the idea is to obtain a degree and get a good job, white picket fence, 3 kids, that "American dream" shit... Unfortunately we don't live in that world the idea of a "student athlete" is a lie and the NCAA an non profit is run like a corporation, that doesn't make sense...
My opinion that system is a shame and it's nuts nobody realizes how much money the NCAA makes, likes it's no big deal..
The small schools can't afford the best talent and so the gap between the big schools and the mid-majors gets wider.
and football teams dont work any harder than the wrestling team or womens field hockey or gymnastics team, etc. If you pay the basketball and football teams, you Have to pay all the other sports as well.
There is plenty of money to go around. I wouldn't mind seeing the athletes get $200 a week during the season, since they aren't allowed to have jobs per NCAA rules.
The main problem with paying college athletes is control. How hard do we police extra benefits from boosters, agents, etc and how do we stop the coaches from digging into their own (deep) pockets to prevent them from essentially bidding on recruits.
I don't think paying college athletes is the answer to any problem. The outrageous amounts of money and how it is distributed will plague the NCAA no matter what system they put in place. That much money always brings out the worst in people.
"How hard do we police extra benefits from boosters, agents, etc and how do we stop the coaches from digging in to their own (deep) pockets" -
That happens anyway, first and foremost they need to redefine the idea of what a student athlete is.. I feel with all the money the NCAA makes they could find away to give the student athlete (especially poorer kids), a flat stipend...
"I feel with all the money the NCAA makes they could find away to give the student athlete (especially poorer kids), a flat stipend..."
Well clearly. Handing out a stipend is simple and easily done. The problem is you start paying basketball or football college athletes and it's gonna open up pandora's box per se. It will only raise more questions, provoke more controversy, and be a pain in the ass to deal with.
Its not like they aren't getting a ton of benefits (read my previous posts if u want to know these benefits + more).
D1 basketball players get scholorships, free shoes and clothes, free living, free food, free "partying," and, most importantly, all the women that they want. They don't need a paycheck.
I agree a scholarship does give players benefits, but that same scholarship allows the NCAA and major D1 schools to make a ridiculous return in their investment... Thats what it is an investment.. I understand the importance of a scholarship but, unfortunately not everyone views getting a schloarship the same... Most of these big time athletes are trying to go pro they may not see the value in a "free education," and that's ok because people 17 and 18 year olds can't control were they grow up and how there parents socioeconomic status can affect the.. I'm not understating why coaches from major NCAA Programs can make millions through salary, book deals, and endorsements... Athletic Directors get paid very good, school president also gets paid... These get paid a preminum because they provide a service and that's hang successful sport Programs.. My point is simple the NCAA makes billions of dollars and they are non profit organization, it doesn't make sense..that TV,advertising,merchandise money should go back to the students... Maybe all that money should be used to alleviate rising tution costs..
Your ideas would be great if you weren't talking about two of the most corrupt things in America: college and the NCAA (kind of the same thing I guess but u get my point.)
"that TV,advertising,merchandise money should go back to the students."
^^^^That I will agree with to the fullest. All the students, the money should go towards improving the institution in way which benefit all the students.
College athletes get enough perks as it is. Universities shouldn't be involved in paying athletes. The whole system is bad, but universities and colleges need to put a premium on academics and not just those for student-athletes. Many student-athletes would have no chance to go to the quality of school they are going to without their athletic abilities, often for both financial and academic reasons. The privilege of getting an education shouldn't be discounted.
The fact is, D-1 colleges already spend exorbitant amounts of money in financial aid for athletes. Yes, they don't mind this because they receive boatloads in return, but helps all students. Yes, it also perhaps benefits others, such as sports administrators, but overall it can help. As llperez said, students don't need to play basketball. It is just in their best interests. Colleges aren't like companies; students shouldn't receive excessive benefits for athletic success and/or the financial success of their department. College athletes at big time D-1 schools get excessive benefits already. Multiple pell grants, which are meant allow students who wouldn't be able to afford college otherwise attend a school, are sometimes given to the student-athletes from low-income backgrounds for their family to persuade them to attend the school. Other similar examples like this exist. Universities quite simply do not treat student-athletes unfairly. At D-1 schools, they are given treatment they likely couldn't have gotten through academic merit.