[Bison 49Participant]

A lot of threads are talking about certain players’ potential being based highly on the situation they go to (E.g Whiteshead). While the situation definately matters, how much does it matter, and does it matter more or les than the player’s ability rating (e.g. here on draftnet most players are between 88 and 100)?

Think of situation in two ways (or more if you want to suggest one):

1 – Available playing time/positional competition e.g Jamario Moon (undrafted came to the Raptors at a position of great need – defensive/athletic SF, vs. Thabeet who went to the Grizzlies as Gasol’s game was exploding).
2 – Development/suportive environment (Jrue Holliday went to the Sixers, a team that has had good success developing young players, while Darko got beat down by Larry Brown. Also see Kwame Brown)

What percent of a 1st round pick’s success in their first contract depends on their skills/intangibles, and what percent depends on their situation?

Skill/intangibles (Past a certain point) would contribute about 60% across the board.
Available playing time would contribute about 20%
Supportiveness would contribute about 20%

Any thoughts.

[sheltwon3Participant]

I like this topic because a lot of times, players that we are in so awe of have gone to the perfect situation and guys that we talk bad on like Beasley went to a bad situation.

Beasley has his faults but maybe he would not have stressed and trip some much if he was in a better situation.

Oden’s knock has been injuries.

Same thing with Bynum.

Some times guys are not appreciated until they find that perfect role.

Stephen Jackson and Jamal Crawford are looking really good now they are in better spots.

Glenn Davis was under appreciated and got less money and playing time to stay in Boston but Boston also gives him moments in the playoffs for everyone to see how good he is and I doubt his next contract is as cheap. He could have gone somewhere and gotten more playing time and people would see how good he is or how bad he is on a consistent basis. Boston allows him to look good at key moments which makes him more attractive now to other teams.

[Bison 49Participant]

Think Jermain O’Neil (Portland to Indy) – pre-slide punch.
Steve Nash was always pretty good, but not great unitl he went to Phoenix and sparked a revolution.

There must be something with injuries as well. Good point.

If a team closely monitors the training of players, and has a good health program they could really help the player stay in Games. people talk about a player being injury prone and how they need to work harder on conditioning, but is that not an issue with the team as well. make sure that they stay in shape, have a trainer make sure they do their work. Bench the young guys who do not put in the off-court training.

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