Pre-draft measurements: winners and losers
Some players don't have their full measurements in yet (height w/shoes for many), but here are my initial reactions as to who's stock was either helped or hurt by their vitals (we all know how important these can be, unfortunately). When I mention someone's size, it's how they measured in shoes (because they don't play barefoot). Most went according to projections (Larry Sanders has the wingspan of a pterodactyl, Jordan and Alabi are solid 7-footers, Orton is massive). This is what stood out to me:
1. Hassan Whiteside
Isn't 7-feet (6-11.5), but had the largest wingspan, a massive 7-7. He is going to be a terror on D.
2. Derrick Favors
Had he measured 6-9, that would have done a lot for Cousins I think in the Nets' eyes. But he measured a solid 6-10 with a 7-4 winspan and only 6.5% body fat, great for a big man (even the relatively frail Ed Davis was at 10%).
3. Dexter Pittman
Despite having the highest body fat % (not necessarily a surprise), his measurements were perhaps the most unexpected. Turns out he's near 7-feet (6-11.5), and he had the second longest wingspan (7-6), which was even more shocking, because guys with his build tend to have somewhat stubbier arms.
4. Xavier Henry
6-6 as expected, but with an amazing 6-11 wingspan that should help convince execs that he can definitely also play the 3. Only 4.7% body fat.
5. DeMarcus Cousins
Measured 6-10.75 in shoes, which was expected, if a teeny bit shorter. That 7-5 wingspan, though? Stunning.
1. Sherron Collins
I guess we all knew he wouldn't be 6-feet, but seeing him listed at 5-11.75 hurts. What hurts more, though, is his 9.2% body fat, the highest of anyone under 6-5.
2. Evan Turner
6-7/214 was expected, but his paltry wingspan (6-8) was sort of shocking. Not like it'll drop him, though.
3. Ryan Wittman
Any chance he had of being drafted evaporated. Measured 6-5 w/o shoes (so probably 6-7) but with a 6-4.75 wingspan. Yikes. And I was rooting for him.
4. Gordon Hayward
Like Wittman, having a wingpsan (6-7.75) shorter than his height (6-8) won't help him. He was also listed at 6-9 by some sources prior to, so this can only be called a disappointment..
5. Trevor Booker
Was hoping to measure around 6-8 and potentially move into the first round as a really legit PF, because 6-7 PF's aren't necessarily in demand. He'll have to really show up in workouts.
loooool Gordon Hayward wingspan shorter then him, but who cares bird will still draft him. He will probably draft him if he had no hands and one eye on his forhead . As long as he fits the color code...... I guess Right ?
Also hassan whiteside looks like he can be scary on defensive, i hope he turns into something great. Sherron collins is a leader and that what will put him on a NBA team, it will be his first chance but maybe his last. I always thought turner had a longer wingspan, but 6"7 with crazy handles and a smooth style, 2nd pick no doubt.
who cares about measurements its all about what they do on the court
NBA & NCAA are to different leagues. We have seen short guys that can lead a team in the NCAA but in the nba with their size they would get destroyed. Measurements are a big thing
I would say that Patrick Patterson helped himself being measured 6'8.5 without shoes. He's a little over 6'9 in shoes so that should solidify his place in the lottery I would think.
Daniel Orton only measured 6'8.75 which kinda shocked me.
2. Paul George
1. Lazar Hayward
2. Willie Warren
3. My favourtie Player Udoh- only 8' 10.5".
4. Ed Davis
5. Stanley Robinson.
Jon Scheyer's wingspan is 6'3 and he measures at 6'6. Really?
I was kind of suprised Aldrich only measured 6'9 in socks and only 235 lbs. I knew him being listed as 250 was probably generous, but that's pretty thin. I also had read before that he had measured 6'10 in socks, but I guess not.
Inevitably people will start throwing out the 'BUT THEY DON'T PLAY IN SOCKS' arguement, but I think it's the best way to judge because it puts everyone on an equal playing field. Take Aldrich and Ed Davis for example. They both measured 6'9 in socks, but Aldrich was obviously wearing high heels and came out 6'11 1/4, while Davis was wearing thin shoes and came out 6'9 3/4 in.
Whiteside's wingspan = WOW!
7'7 wingspan combine with his jumping ability is ridiculous.
aldrich must be wearing spice girl shoes or something. 6-9 to 6-11.25 with shoes? wtf? either the guy measuring screwed up the first time or aldrich has some crazy shoes. it prolly doesn't matter too much since he measured a 7-4+ wing span.
Pretty sure he wins big time.
to be honest none of the guys were losers because they did measure much shorter then what was expected. this isnt football where someone will drop wayyyyy low because of this. as far as cole isnt that like blake griffen who was 2 inches taller in shows or something like that?
the suprise to me was dexter pittman and i think that helps him alot. favors isnt suprising because most people though he was 6'10. fans are the ones who started questioning his height like they do every year. i dont think his height determines if he goes 3 or 4. some of ya'll fans need to look at things more realistically instead of thinking this has such a huge effect yeah its nice to chat and talk about but dont take it too far.
Also nba scouts said they love how s.collins body looks much better then during the season and how hes in better shape so that body fat thing obviously doesnt make him a loser even with it being higher then players under 6'5
also wing span is more important then a big mans height. cant see how some fans still dont realize that
Cole Aldrich measured at 6'9 withouth shoes. 6'11.25 with sheos!!!!
Ed Davis measured at 6'9 without shoes . 6'9.75 with shoes!!!
COLE'S shoes gave him 2.25 inches. They better not put him at 6'11 because of those high heels.
ALSO dissapointing that he only weighs 236. thats a lightweight Center in the nba.
^^^so what if they put him at 6'11. hes not the first guy to get much taller in shoes.
blake griffin was a extra inch and a half in shoes
earl clark and casspi were almost 2 inches taller
anyway you pplay in shoes and youre reach is more important
I am sure that Aldrich first measurement was off because a lot of these guys have poor posture. Also dude has super long arms so it does not matter. I dont know where the Osterstag comparisons come from because do can move. I do hope Dexter Pitman bounces back because he could be a Kendrick Perkins type.
what do u think of standing reach? i think its important because your arms can already be up in the air when u jump, making it easier to block shots. both alabi and jerome jordan had 9 5 standing reaches which is crazy. if i can use a late first or second round pick on those guys, its an absolute steal.
I think standing reach is MUCH more important for Big guys as opposed to guards. I say this because guards need to be PLAYMAKERS. This means seeing over the defense! Just because your standing reach makes you the same "height" as a taller player, you still can't see over the defense.
John Wall: 6-2.75 w/o shoes, standing reach 8-5.5
John Scheyer: 6-4.75 w/o shoes, standing reach 8-3.
John Wall's wingspan and standing reach will allow him to play better defense in addition to his athletic abilities, but John Scheyer will always be able to see the floor better with his height.
Luke Babbitt had some VERY nice measurements. Dexter Pittman has HUGE hands. They must've just started measuring hands length and width this year.
TLI SIGHTING!!!! My life is complete for the time being.
Where have you been? You've been MIA.
Sorry. I had finals week and just started summer courses, so I have been busy. I also went to atlanta to see the mets play the braves. Beautiful city I must say, had a great time.
Atlanta is one of my favorite cities.
Did you do well on your finals? I don't miss final exams at all lol. I want to go to grad school and get my Masters, BUT... I'm over school and tests lol.
Best fried chicken ever. Yes I did well on my finals, finished the semester with a 3.6. Go to grad school, it's not that bad from people I know. A friend of mine went to grad school at night, and he just graduated from a 2 year program, and is doing well. Though, I do understand what you mean being done with school, the tests especially.
To say Cousins is a winner is stretching it. Yes he has a great wingspan, but the concerns of teams have been with his mental approach towards the game (i.e can he handle the lifestyle, does he want it enough, is he coachable) had a red flag with his body fat number. Both Shaquille O'Neal and Kevin Love had body fat % at 12 % when they were tested Cousins was at 16.4%! This number is terrible for someone who is working out daily and suppose to be in the best shape he will ever be in. Especially considering he is 19 years old and as you age your body fat % naturally increases. To think he has been working out with a trainer and a nutritionist for the last month or two and this is what he tested? I would be concerned as a GM about this number. Carrying extra weight leads to players to breakdown as they age. I would have been satisfied with a number even as high as 14% just because of his type of body. I wouldn't say that he is a loser of the measuments because he does possess great length but to call him a winner from these measurement tests is just wrong or coming from someone that knows nothing about how to quantify body fat percentage or just disregarded the number totally for him.
I think Cousins is the best big man in this draft, but I have the same worries that some scouts do... That he could become the next Eddy Curry.
I am very high on DeMarcus Cousins. What I would like to see is the Kings draft him because while he can score like a #1 option, he doesn't have the leadership qualities to ever be a #1 option, franchise player. You look at the timberwolves who had Al Jefferson as there #1 option for a couple years, and we know how that turned out. It would be the same with Cousins. What Cousins is to be is an Al Jefferson/Zach Randolph mold a very complete low post game and a great offensive skill set. He just needs to be surrounded by good guard play, Sacramento is the best fit for him to be successful. Being with Evans will allow him to be a 20/10 guy w/o having to worry about being a leader.
I can't wait until the vertical jump measurements are posted. I know that it doesn't matter TOO much, but I just love looking at this kind of stuff.
Tezo, are you surprised at John Wall measuring in at 6'4 after seeing him earlier this year?
Anyone know when the vertical jump measurements will be released?
I'd be surprised if they weren't released by Monday, seeing as how they already have the other measurements.
Hilarious how so many people try to act like Larry Bird always drafts white guys when the pacers only white 1st rounder since Primo Brezec in 2000 is Psycho T last year...
I love how people are ripping guys for a 9 to 15 % body fat...thats really not that much.
Look at it this way...Cousins is 270 pounds roughly, and he is 19 years old...19 year old human beings just dont weigh 270 pounds of pure muscle. He's young and will able to fill that fram with more muscle and tone down his fat...its a non issue in my opinion. In all honesty I think it is probably better to have a little fat on the bones then nothing. 5% body fat for a big guy (Whiteside) just doesnt seem like it would be enough to hold up for an NBA season.
According to Givony Twitter: "Athletic testing results likely take a week or so historically"
^ damn, that's too long...Oh well
DeMarcus Cousins showed up weighing 293 though. He's not 270 roughly. He showed up overweight and bent outta shape. 16% body fat is alot for a guy that should've been in some of the best shape of his life heading into the combine. Tiny Gallon and Derrick Caracter are naturally wider and bigger than him, and even they had less body fat. He will turn some of that into muscle, but he showed up overweight and that has to concern people some.
I'm not too surprised that John Wall measured 6' 4" WITH shoes... He's only 6' 2.75" without shoes though. When I saw him, he was wearing dress shoes, not basketball shoes. That's probably why he didn't look as tall.