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Pierre Jackson vs Peyton Siva vs Myck Kabongo

Lakers have the 48th pick and it's looking like these 3 might still be on the board (Kabongo is moving up though) so who would you rather have? Who's the better NBA PG? I'm leaning towards Pierre Jackson but Kabongo seems to be getting the most love as we speak. They did go heads up and Pierre dropped 24 6 and 3 to go with 2 turnovers and 1 steal. In return, Kabongo had 19, 8 and 6 with 3 steals and 1 turnover.

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Ray McCallum

I think Ray McCallum is better than all 3 but I expect his stock to rise in the next few weeks and wouldn't be surprised if he goes early 2nd round.

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I think Kabongo is out of

I think Kabongo is out of reach. Think he'll be in the discussion with Shane Larkin as a potential late 1st round pick. I don't think Jackson or Siva ever have a chance of becoming a starter in the NBA, but could be solid guys off the bench (mainly Jackson, as I question whether or not Siva will make it in the NBA).

Kabongo has more potential, so I would definitely take him if I were in the Lakers position, where they need to accumulate a young asset or two as they transition out of the Kobe era.

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I am leaning towards Jackson ....

I too think Kabongo will be gone by then but I don't think I would personally draft him so high. His release is somewhat slow and even if he is a good shooter, that will be an issue. Slow release is why many NBA players who aren't considered good shooters actually struggle with the jump shot. In warmups and practice, they may hit 90 out of 100 but at gamespeed, it's a whole different beast because they have to speed up their release which changes everything. Also, I don't think Kabongo is explosive nor strong enough to keep up and hang with respectable dudes ranging from Darren Collison to Eric Bledsoe to Mike Conley. I can't imagine what Tony Parker, Chris Paul, Deron Williams or Derrick Rose will do to him. When I watch the video below, he reminds me of a little bit of Rondo coming out of Kentucky. In the video you can see his somewhat slow release also. I attached a video of Rondo in college to complete the comparison. For the Lakers, I'm really leaning towards Pierre Jackson. I don't think neither Jackson nor Kabongo will ever be top 10 PGs in the league but I imagine Jackson being much more successful as a 1st or 2nd man off the bench due to his scoring ability and athletism. I think the Nate Robinson comparison is reasonsable for Pierre.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jid2uC461ec

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Thanks for responding also.

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I've heard nothing but great

I've heard nothing but great things from other people about Ray McCollums game. can someone break it down for me? what'd arty type of player does he compare to? I'd appreciate it since I never seen him play.

also I think with Siva measuring at 5'11 wo shoes (which makes him 6'1 with right?)I think that might lift his stock a bit. that's Chris Paul's size basically. an siva is a very aggressive defender who has good athleticism so I do hope he gets a look from my Lakers in workouts. he could be a good change of pace defensive minded backup pg in the nba. maybe an earl Watson.

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I am very big on Rays game ....

I like Rays game but sometimes he can frustruate me. Ray has a somewhat street game to him so he's not super fundemantally sound and he might take some risk such as pull up jumpers early in the shot clock or taking the extra dribble in the lane instead of pulling up for the jumper but that same game allows him to come off the picks like a beast and go to the basket real tuff. He's athletic enough to put someone on a nasty poster too. I think his type of game will transition to him being a fine bench player but never much more because I can easily see him aveaging close to 4 turnovers and many more bad shots if he's playing 35+ minutes a night. I attached a youtube link to a video of his. If you notice, he has a few plays where he's just dribbles and dribbles and dribbles and a few other plays where he's pulling up early in the clock. At :42 he comes around the pick and shoots the 3 with 30 still on the shot clock!!! But you'll also see his shake, somewhat quick release and athletism. For the Lakers, I would not mind him coming off the bench by any means and to make a Laker comparison, I would say he might be a more highlight friendly Jordan Farmar. Thanks for responding to my post.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86iaNQBfpWw

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Siva would be a god-send for

Siva would be a god-send for this Lakers team, he's not a great shooter, but he's a hard worker, a team-first guy and can thrive as a role player. Pierre Jackson is at his best when he's doing everything for his team, which doesn't bode well for his NBA career, because any team where he's the best guard is in trouble.

Jackson is a bit like Robinson, undersized, athletic, can score in bunches, but inconsistent, and plays his best when people forget about him.

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I agree about Jackson ...

I think the Nate Robison comparison is 200% spot on. I also think he could be a Bobby Jackson type player. He'll never be a franchise player and that's for sure but coming off the bench, he could do some major damage. I'm really not too big on Siva. I think since he cane from the Seattle goldmine and played for such a historic college coach, he always had a type of hype following him that wasn't very much justified. He did look great in the championship game and you know he'll always play hard but I favor Pierre and Ray much more over him. Thanks for responding.

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Jackson will be a steal

Pierre Jackson has Kemba Walker talent..he was the leading scorer an assist man in a conference that had marcus smart, Ben Mac, leading both had never been done before in the big 12. Someone will be getting a great value if he picked in the second round..

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dont do Kemba like

dont do Kemba like that......yeah Jackson led the big 12 in scoring and assist and it has never been done.......but dont say he has that Kemba talent, he is not the leader that Kemba was. Emotionally and example setting. Just look at what UCONN did and look at what Baylor did. Kemba led them to titles, not just the NIT........that is what made Kemba what he is, the leadership and winning that he led them to.........

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I agree ....

Thanks for responding. I agree that Pierre Jackson is very nice but I don't think him and Kemba are cut from the same cloth. I think he'll be more of a Nate Robinson or Bobby Jackson (former King) type player. Coming off the bench, I can see him causing mayhem nightly and what team wouldn't love a player like that? I still believe that Kemba can be a franchise player, I am very high on him and I hope he gets the right supporting cast around him. Pierre isn't that be he can be one of those dudes who is the 6th or 7th man but finishes the game for you. I would love for the Lakers to swoop him up especially if they can get him in the 2nd round. I honestly wouldn't mind trading up for a super late 1st round or early 2nd round pick to get Pierre. Cleveland has 2 early 2nd round picks, maybe the Lakers can come up on one of those.

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I'm thinking Myck Kabongo is

I'm thinking Myck Kabongo is a reach as many mocks, including mine, have him projected as a 1st round pick. If he fell that far, he would be a steal based on his upside alone. Dude is also fast. Lakers need young fast legs.

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Yup.

You are right, he'll probably be long gone by then but honestly I am very much leaning towards Pierre Jackson over Kabongo. When I watch tape of Kabongo, I see a less explosive Rondo. When I watch Pierre, I think of Nate Robinson or Bobby Jackson, the former King. I also think Ray McCallum is majorily slept on and I can see him doing some damage off the bench. Lakers do need those young and fast legs so I'll take either of the 3 but I am leaning towards Pierre Jackson. Thanks for responding.

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- Jackson is nate robinson

- Jackson is nate robinson part 2 written all over him with better passing skills. But sometimes will shoot too much, especially if he is having an off game driving and finishing.

- Kabongo is athletic, has high bbiq and is a good passing pg. Actually passes more than he should. Should be a good backup pg in the nba

- Siva is a gamer and fearless competitor. Stats are not pretty on a consistent basis but he gets the job done and his team wins. Streaky both on shooting and finishing on layups. But when its crunch time or a big time game, he will usually come through.

Bottom line: There will be three lucky teams in the 2nd round

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I agree

I think Pierre can be a Nate Robison or Bobby Jackson type of player. The only one that I can see not making it in the league is Siva. He looked great in the championship game and was playing agaisnt the best PG in the draft so we shall see but I am not very high on dude. I am leaning towards Pierre Jackson, I think he can be a beast off the bench. He can be one of those bench players who finishes the game on the floor. If he falls to LA, the Lakers would have a nice come up. Thanks for responding.

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--- Pierre Jackson is an

--- Pierre Jackson is an energizer off the bench who plays spot minutes ideally in the nba. he's an athletic guard with a nice shot, but he is a reckless player too and will turn it over/take bad shots.

--- Kabongo has the potential to be a poor mans rondo, but he's raw. He still needs to get stronger even though he has put on weight, and he needs to work on his shot and confidence as a scorer, but he can be a pest on D on the ball, is quick, long and athletic, and he is a nice playmaker for others. I would take him and groom him as a backup and potential starter down the line.

--- Siva is a backup at best. He is small and not a good shooter, and even though he developed his PG skills in college he still never found that ability to mix his scoring and passing skills together to really reach his potential. He's fun to watch and kind of flashy and athletic though, and he competes. He would be a fan favorite for a team.

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Out of those three I'd say

Out of those three I'd say Peyton Siva because I know exactly what I'm getting....A PEST!!!! I've never seen a more annoying defender on the court. He's shown over the years he as the poise to run an offense and be a factor despite what his stats are

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Kabongo = Starter Jackson =

Kabongo = Starter
Jackson = Sixth Man
Siva = Rotation Player (defense)

I think Kabongo will be a solid starter in the league. Jackson will be one of those spark plugs off the bench who could really help the right team. If Peyton Siva makes a roster he could be a 9th or 10th man on a playoff team strictly because of defensive toughness and hustle.

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If Siva doesnt get drafted, I

If Siva doesnt get drafted, I would love to see him go to the Nuggets, Siva would learn a lot from Miller and could develop into a similar style of player. Dre' is getting up there and age but they will need to replace him eventually, why not develop a player who has the potential to play just like him

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Pierre Jackson is

Undersized. Severely undersized. That kills you on defense in the NBA. For every Nate Robinson there are a hundred guys who have a ton of talent but don't make it due to not being able to play D. Pierre Jackson was a great college player. He'll be a decent Euro player. But, to be candid, his NBA career will be as short as he is. If I'm a GM, I avoid him completely.

Siva is a gamble. He can shoot, sometimes. He seems to be a serviceable backup PG at the next level. But I just am not sold on him. I have never seen him elevate his game or take over a game, and many times I've seen him disappear completely, particularly in big games.

Kabongo won't be on the board, but if the Lakers want a PG, they better trade up to get him. He's raw, but has by far the most upside of these 3.

One guy you're forgetting about is Nate Wolters. I'd probably pull the trigger on him before even Kabongo...and he's projected mid 2nd...so the Lakers wouldn't have to trade too far up to land him hopefully. I think the kid could learn a lot from Steve Nash, who he already plays a lot like.

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Siva completely took over the

Siva completely took over the championship game against Michigan.

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Nate ....

I'm not too educated on Nate Wolters but I know dude is 6'4 and averaged over 20, 5 and 5 a game which is very respectable. What is his game like? Is he explosive? Athletic? Did his stats benefit from not playing at a big college? Quick release on the jumper?

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Siva is not a Pro

Kabango is one of the best players in this draft. Pierre improved last year wich wad good to see. He is a back up at best. Kabango is a guy I was certain would rise in this draft.

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I think all three are going

I think all three are going to be marginal NBA players.

I think Peirre can find a spot as an offensive energizer off the bench, and I would bet he'll have the best career ( although I doubt he's ever a double digit scorer ). His speed, mentality as a scorer make him the most NBA ready of the bunch as well. I don't think he'll be as good as Nate Robinson, but he has some of the same qualities as he and Earl Boykins who both had pretty good careers.

I think Myck Kabongo has a lot of improvement to make before he can even play minutes in the league. He's not a very good shooter, not a particularly good athletically, and despite having a good natural feel for the point guard position, he's turnover prone. I don't think Kabongo will stick, he'll take a while to develop and I think he's a guy who stays in the league as long as his first contract. I've just never been that high on him.

Siva is quick, experienced, and is a good ball handler, but he's not a pure point, not a very good shooter and I think he'll probably go undrafted. He'll be invovled in summer leagues and I bet he'll make it to pre-season, but I just don't see him being on a roster after the final cuts before the season starts. People are much more willing to leave a 6'8'' or 6'9'' "character guy" on their roster to practice against than a 6' combo without a shot.

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I agree

I am not sold on Kabongo or Siva. I do think Pierre can be a Bobby Jackson or Nate Robison type of player. Kabongo somewhat reminds me of Rondo when he was coming out of Kentucky. If he can get a year or 2 to develop then maybe he can do well but I don't think he can benefit many teams who expect him to do anything asap. I am favoring Pierre very much over the bunch but I do like Ray McCallum too. He comes around those picks tuff and the NBA game is heavily in favor of such guards. I expect his stock to rise in the next few weeks.

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I agree.

I am not sold on Kabongo or Siva. I do think Pierre can be a Bobby Jackson or Nate Robison type of player. Kabongo somewhat reminds me of Rondo when he was coming out of Kentucky. If he can get a year or 2 to develop then maybe he can do well but I don't think he can benefit many teams who expect him to do anything asap. I simply don't think Siva has the game to make it in the league. I'm sure he'll have a fine 10-12 year career overseas which is great but I do not see him being an NBA player. I am favoring Pierre very much over the bunch but I do like Ray McCallum too. He comes around those picks tuff and the NBA game is heavily in favor of such guards. I expect his stock to rise in the next few weeks.

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