[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

 1.  Simulation lottery.  I consider it a win if the Sixers end up top 3.  Fultz, Ball, and Jackson stand out, Fultz due to all around scoring and athleticism, Ball due to leadership and making others better, and Jackson due to IQ and defense.  Everyone else has obvious question marks that stand out more than their obvious floors and are risk reward picks, like Tatum’s consistency, ball stopping tendency, and lack of defense and rebounding.  And Smith and Fox’s shot where guards are expected to score, or Isaac’s strength for the NBA, Monk’s size and lack of defense etc, you’re taking a risk.

Having said that, running simulations, irrespective of whether the Lakers pick translates, I would be very happy as a Sixers fan if we get a top 3 pick, and at 2 or 3 for Philly’s roster I take Jackson over Ball.  Now running simulations, I am constantly getting this scenario to work at about 7/10 tries or 8/10 tries, so 70 – 80% chance the Sixers are in the top 3.

 

2.  Hypothetically, let’s say the Sixers get 2 or 3 and the Lakers get 1.  Would you consider giving the Lakers back their next year’s pick, along with your top 3 pick, for #1 and taking Fultz.  Tim Legler came on sports radio and said he coached Fultz, who was clearly the best player in the draft, they said Steph Curry’s drills coach did drills for ball handling with Fultz an he was very good, and he has Vince Carter type athleticism.  Knowing the Lakers like Ball, would they do that to move back, take Ball, and keep their pick next year possibly getting Ayton, Bamba, or Porter.  

I happen to think next year’s draft is weak, I wasn’t even that impressed with Porter through the HS AS games, so I’d rather do the trade and grab Fultz if he’s available since he is a great fit and the Fultz people understand how great a fit Philly is for him going forward.

 

whatta ya think, do you consider the draft a success as long as we end up in the top 3 irrespective of the Lakers pick, and would you give back next year’s Lakers pick to nab Fultz?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[i’m jus so offendedParticipant]

Give up an unprotected probable top 5 pick next year to move up 2 spots? Is Fultz a generational talent? I’m not sold. Plus, I’d rather roll with whoever I can get at 3 (preferably Tatum or Jackson or maybe even Monk) and see if Simmons is really a viable option at the point next year.

[Roland209Participant]

I would rather have this year’s pick and the possibility of Porter/Ayton next year rather than Fultz alone. 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

 The pick as a trade chip is probably more valuable than just moving a couple spots to grab Fultz.  Like I said I’m not very high on next year’s draft and Fultz is an ideal fit with Embiid and Simmons.  But to use it to grab an established star obviously makes sense to keep it.  I think Fultz is the perfect guy for the Sixers. 

What do you think it’d take to move up and grab Fultz from the Lakers, who seem to be extremely high on Ball.

 

[holefillers1Participant]

 I think every player in the top ten has flaws.  You grouped your favorite three but I can tear them apart too.  Ball plays zero defense, doesn’t have a great handle and can’t beat his man off the dribble.  Jackson plays good defense but his offense is a huge ?. He playe d the four spot at Kansas and he isn’t the first to do that.  How many tweeners from Kansas have bombed out of the league in the last 10 years.  Now to Fultz,  and Tim Legler.  I love listening to Legs talk BBall and I heard that interview you are referencing, but Legler wanted Ingram over Simmons and that was dead wrong.  He said Fultz had a mid range game in the AAU that he coached but we didnt see it at Washington because they sucked….that is the biggest pile of shit statement ever made. Fultz didnt have a midrange game because that was AAU and this is NCAA. Now all of the sudden he is going to bring it back and be the best at it.  Fultz is not the clear cut player in this draft. Fast break plays and finishes at the rim.  Passing is overrated and midrange is non existent.  Also what happened to the defense.  

 

 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

who do you think is the ideal fit for Philly anywhere from picks 1 – 7.

If they get 1, Fultz.

2, pass on Ball (i disagree about handle, agree on d and ability to beat man off dribble, but he is a gamer that raises his game and makes everyone around him better which is a bigtime winning trait), take Jackson.

3. Jackson assuming Fultz and Ball are gone.  Too many intangibles to pass up.  IF Jackson goes 2, I probably trade down someone I listed below.

4,5,6: I take from whoever is available, Smith Jr (his understanding of pacing and ability to slash and score is something Philly is missing, but he may need the ball, but, Simmons is going to pass it), Monk (the shooting and spacing and athleticism is hard to pass up), Isaac (sweet stroke, just really weak frame).  So Smith, Monk, Isaac

7:  Ntilinka or Markannen, or Fox:  I know I have Fox low, but his shot worries me.  I love his defensive game, and ability to be a floor general, but its not enough spacing for Philly with him out there, two guys with bad shots in Simmons and Fox, Fox reminds me of a Rondo type.  Nitty checks all the boxes and I’d trust my international scouting.  Markkanen gives them a stretch 4 shooter that spaces and is a badly needed knockdown shooter on this team.  Stauskas and Saric are unreliable.

 

Its very exciting knowing we’ll get one of these players. I left off Tatum because I don’t like his game, he’s a ball stopper.  

About Legs on Ingram, I think the not being able to beat off the dribble fact about Ingram is very true, but I still think the Lakers are idiots and don’t know how to put their best players in the best spots.  He needs the ball more then Randle, and he is a mismatch on virtually every guard.  His stroke will come back, and once he gets stronger he can start to post up the smaller guards.  He is a mismatch nightmare if used properly.  I still really like Ingram’s game, its tough to go into the Lakers with other young guys and establish yourself, especially if you arne’ tthe guy.

I really like Ingram as a prospect, he was a basketball guy.  but Simmons looked amazing in Summer League, you’re right, you can’t pass up that size and skill.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[holefillers1Participant]

 Also was that you calling in the morning show today. Dude qas saying same thing about Fultz that you wrote in your OP.  It was a pretty good call, pinned down Anthony on trading Dario and a pick for Fultz.

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

i dont call the cuz lol.  the more you get into this the more you realize the hosts know so little.  

I’m actually more open to trading Dario than others.  I always felt he was undersized as a 4 guarding other true power forwards in the league and he isn’t a good rebounder, and the shot needs more work.

But he is a horse and a gamer, was run to the ground by the Croatian national team BEFORE the NBA season started so never recovered.  I think with rest he will be very solid.  

I have thought about Dario and something for maybe Markkanen…because I think Markkanen is of more value with Simmons and Embiid out there to spread the floor…..but I’m very happy keeping Dario.  

No way I’d ever trade Saric for Aaron Gordon.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[PhillySteveParticipant]

Your list of Dario’s weaknesses should have come AFTER the ‘was run to the ground by the Croation national team BEFORE the NBA season started’ part. Consider how he stepped it up after Joel got shut down, and he did it without time to recover from above. Sixers would play a smarter hand and wait for the three horsemen to be on the floor together and see how they flow. I’m especially intrigued with Simmons/Saric in the pick and roll/pop. Joel would thrive off that play alone, if it works as well as it should.  Pray for health my man, cause it’s gonna be a helluva run.

[holefillers1Participant]

 For the Sixers I like Isaac. You said his strength was a ? But his length is crazy. When there is no Anthony Davis or Ben Simmons or KAT at the top then I would go high possible ceiling.  Isaac is who I have identified as that player.  I have been wrong on talent before and I usually have my own thoughts about the top prospects but this is my order for Sixers after Isaac.

Fox, even if Ben plays the 1 they still need a second gaurd and Fox plays excellent defense.  His mechanics are solid and I believe he has a chance to be the second best 2 way player in the draft behind Isaac.

Ntilikina,  his tape is hard to judge for some because he plays against lower level guys. But his length will create a Giannis effect.  Tight handle pass first guy who shot 40% from euro 3 this year.  An all around guy in an increasingly positionless league.

Markkanen, both Brown and Colangelo said they want another stretch four guy to compete or maybe start ahead of Dario.  Markkanen had the best shot in the draft and imo more of a chance to round out his game than a guy like Monk.

Fultz is next but his fight with Sixers is not paramount. Ben will facilitate, Joel will get many many touches and I would rather fill gaps with all around players.  Notice my trend is towards players with 2 way upside.

After that I go Tatum, after that I trade my pick….jk..kinda

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BeastMode716Participant]

 at #1? 

I’m a Lakers fan & I am Praying we keep our pick & I would be Thrilled w/ Jackson or Especially Fultz – Ball really worries me as a primary initiator PG

I think D’Angelo & Ingram’s games would grwo exponentially playing beside Fultz b/c Fulz can penetrate & create space for his own shot or for D’Lo or Ingram & that is what we Desperately need.

Ball – while a great passer – Needed to play with another primary initiator pg – it was Not a luxury, it was a Neccessity. I think Ball ends up playing the 2/SG w/ the Lakers & even though D’Lo can score, he is primarily a jump shooter & I worry we’ll have 2 gaurds & a wing & None of them can create their own shot or create for teammates.

If I was Phila I would NEVER trade our Lakers pick back us to move up to #1. You guys Already have Two primary initiators (meaning a player who can not be guarded 1 V 1 most nights)…… Simmons & Embiid in the P&R is going to be a Nightmare for a Dozen years. 

So yea Fultz would be a Great addition but you guys don;t NEED Fultz like WE need Fultz. Besides, I really believe Dennis Smith Jr is just a small bit behind Fultz in terms of skill set. DSJ w/ Simmons 7 Embiid would look like an And1 video!

And then you have Our pick in 2018 when Doncic, Porter & Ayton will go Top 3!?!?!? Even if we get Fultz, I don;t see our record being that much better the first year. I am hoping we can sign PG13 in the summer of 2018 as a FA & that will make up for losing our pick to Phila & then we could make the playoffs in 2019 if we can sign a decent Center. 

So Why would you trade that 2018 Lakers pick? U could do So much w/ it. For example, the Sixers could package the Lakers 2018 pick, Okafor & the Kings 2019 1st Rnd pick to Chicago for Jimmy Butler possibly. Or you could just hold the picks & possibly land another stud like Porter or Doncic or even Ayton & then trade him for something. You guys have a Ton of options & are loaded w/ talent, I don’t believe Fultz is so far ahead of the other guards in the 2017 Draft that you should give away such a valuable assett. 

Of course I would LUV to have that pick back 😉 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BeastMode716Participant]

 at #1? 

I’m a Lakers fan & I am Praying we keep our pick & I would be Thrilled w/ Jackson or Especially Fultz – Ball really worries me as a primary initiator PG

I think D’Angelo & Ingram’s games would grwo exponentially playing beside Fultz b/c Fulz can penetrate & create space for his own shot or for D’Lo or Ingram & that is what we Desperately need.

Ball – while a great passer – Needed to play with another primary initiator pg – it was Not a luxury, it was a Neccessity. I think Ball ends up playing the 2/SG w/ the Lakers & even though D’Lo can score, he is primarily a jump shooter & I worry we’ll have 2 gaurds & a wing & None of them can create their own shot or create for teammates.

If I was Phila I would NEVER trade our Lakers pick back us to move up to #1. You guys Already have Two primary initiators (meaning a player who can not be guarded 1 V 1 most nights)…… Simmons & Embiid in the P&R is going to be a Nightmare for a Dozen years. 

So yea Fultz would be a Great addition but you guys don;t NEED Fultz like WE need Fultz. Besides, I really believe Dennis Smith Jr is just a small bit behind Fultz in terms of skill set. DSJ w/ Simmons 7 Embiid would look like an And1 video!

And then you have Our pick in 2018 when Doncic, Porter & Ayton will go Top 3!?!?!? Even if we get Fultz, I don;t see our record being that much better the first year. I am hoping we can sign PG13 in the summer of 2018 as a FA & that will make up for losing our pick to Phila & then we could make the playoffs in 2019 if we can sign a decent Center. 

So Why would you trade that 2018 Lakers pick? U could do So much w/ it. For example, the Sixers could package the Lakers 2018 pick, Okafor & the Kings 2019 1st Rnd pick to Chicago for Jimmy Butler possibly. Or you could just hold the picks & possibly land another stud like Porter or Doncic or even Ayton & then trade him for something. You guys have a Ton of options & are loaded w/ talent, I don’t believe Fultz is so far ahead of the other guards in the 2017 Draft that you should give away such a valuable assett. 

Of course I would LUV to have that pick back 😉 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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