3. chris paul
4. tony parker
8. john wall/rondo
10. kyrie irving
12. ty lawson
14. jrue holiday
john wall next to rondo? thats an insult to rondo's IQ
rondo cant shoot and not a go to guy for the game
Lol Lin # 15 after 7 games???
he in the perfect system gettn nice numbers and wins just gotta get his turnovers down
rondo is a true leader, role player. arguably the best passer in the game. elite perimeter defense, probably best at pg. and a champ. don't disrespect
and those 1st 7 still better
I mean, really? Come on...
Wow... don't know what games you watch but you should watch more. Putting Rondo and Wall in the same category just is one example about how off these rankings are. Before putting more posts take some time off, look in the mirror, take a deep breath and watch about 20 games of each team then you can start posting again
3. Kyle Lowry
Putting Kyle Lowry @ 3 totally ruins your credibility. I make it a habit not to argue basketball with people that don't have a clue
dam i was just kidding on lin but i guess rondo can shoot and take over games and hit game winners
1a Rose 1b Paul
im sorry man rondo is not better than nash westbrook curry and tony parker
Kyle Lowry at 3 is interesting. You don't see that too often.
In my personal opinion, Derrick Rose should be #1. He is young, has an MVP, and is still adding on to his already terrific game. That I agree with, but here are some of the things I don't:
Deron Williams over Chris Paul? I tend to be biased whenever it comes to players from Illinois, especially players who did well in college. Even with this said, there is no way in hell you could make me believe that Deron Williams is a better player than Chris Paul. Chris Paul is elite, and while Deron Williams may be a great player, he isn't an elite player like Derrick Rose and Chris Paul, which seperates him from those two individuals.
Tony Parker is too high. #4? Really? I'll admit Tony is a good point guard and is definitely underrated, but the 4th best in all of the league? I don't think so... There are a few guys below him I would definitely take over him but let's wait and see...
I like Steph Curry and the potential he has, but he is injury prone and his game suffers a bit sometimes because of that. I do think Steph has the chance to be special in this league, but I don't think he is at this current time.
You have John Wall next to Rajon Rondo? Really? John Wall has the potential, but so far in his NBA career he hasn't put it together as far as being consistant. He is a terrible shooter, and he tends to like to shoot more than pass, whenever I believe that he should be a pass first, shoot second type of guard. Rondo is an excellent point guard. Many people critisize him because he can't shoot the ball, but look at what he CAN do! He can play stellar defense on anyone from the 1-3 positions, including LeBron James in the NBA playoffs a few years back. He is one of the best, if not the best passer in the entire NBA. He's fast and is a 1-man fastbreak. He also has won a championship and has become the leader of a team with legends like Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, and Kevin Garnett still on the roster. If Rondo ever saw John Wall next to himself at this current time period he'd probably retire out of shame...
Tyreke Evans isn't a point guard... He's a shooting guard with a small forward who is forced to play point because Sacramento couldn't fill that void over the offseason.
Last but not least, the topic about Jeremy Lin. I really like Jeremy Lin, I think he is a very good player and I think that he is a remarkable story for the New York Knicks, especially considering that they are winning with him. Carmelo Anthony and Amare Stoudemire were supposed to be the greatest thing to ever happen to the New York Knicks, and now Jeremy Lin has come in and after 7 starts, he is NEW YORK CITY BASKETBALL. Not Carmelo, not Amare, but Jeremy Lin! I do feel however that it is incredibly too quick to rate him among some of the best point guards in the NBA because even though he is showing us flashes of greatness, he is still very young and his career has just begun. Who knows where he will land whenever it's all said and done. But for right now, I feel as though it's too early to judge.
deron williams is a better 1 on 1 scorer, shooter and can run a team and pass just as equal as paul
tony parker 3 rings finals mvp can score at will and puts on shows in the playoffs
john wall can do everything rondo can do and is taller more athletic a better
scorer and avgs 8 assists
10. Brandon Jennings
i see alot of rondo fans on the site
Irving makes top ten but no Rubio on the list...? Hate to knock holes though..
1. Rose (hands down)
2. Paul (can do it all and carry a team on his back)
3. Deron Williams (can do it all and not quite carry a team on his back.. 122 turnovers this year already, 3rd behind Westbrook and Wall)
4. Russell Westbrook (unbelievable athlete, play is still on fast forward for him, he's talented, he's good.. but is leading the league in turnovers)
5. Steph Curry (dead eye shooter, great ball handler, great passer, deadly off the dribble, almost 2 spg... One of my favorite players to watch in the league right now.. Not a bad way to round out the top five..)
6. Rajon Rondo (Interesting case, 12pts 10.7asts in wins, 17pts 8.7asts losses... changes the game when he's on the court... When he's on the court he is seemingly everywhere on the court all the time)
7. Tony Parker (still fast)
8. Steve Nash (still has incredible vision, becoming a defensive liability)
9. Tyreke Evans (Going to be a star, has everything, shot is getting better, will be unguardable within 5 years.. I envision a guard version of lebron, wouldn't be surprised if his numbers get close... That's only if his jumpshot develops...)
10. John Wall (Come on man... you can start playing with your head... you can!... and maybe some teammates with a brain will help..)
11. Mike Conley (scores 15.1 with 7.2 assists in Wins scores 10.7 with 6.2 assists in Losses, a defensive stopper right now, I'd say he's the little known glue of memphis)
12. Ty Lawson (one tough guy here)
13. Kyrie Irving/Ricky Rubio (hugely impressed with both these fellas this year, would be higher but being rookies I can't put them higher.. I won't!... I want to... I will.. I won't!...)
14. Jrue Holliday (getting better anyone?)
15. Kyle Lowry/Brandon Jennings
Honorable mentions: Jason Kidd (All time favorite, can't not mention him when talking about PG's) Chauncey Billups (I hope he makes it back...)
Rondo is a good PG...
I'm not even gonna get in to why I don't agree with any of these lists I'm just gonna remind people there are 2 sides to the ball. OFFENSE AND DEFENSE. That is why Rondo is top 5, that is why Rose is 2nd behind Paul, and that's why Lowry is top 7 right now.
1a. Rose 1b. Paul - I go back and forth, but I still think Rose has a gear Paul no longer has.
3. D-Will - He's still a beast, despite being surrounded by mostly bums.
4. Rondo - He can't shoot, but still finds ways to score. He's the Big One.
5. Russ - He quietly put himself in elite company with the Big O and Magic as the only players to score 5,000 points, pick up over 1,900 assists and 1,300 rebounds in their first 274 games.
6. Nash - He's still doing it. Still makes his teammates so much better and is an efficient player. But he's old and has a bad back.
7. Parker - People sleep on him for some reason. He doesn't get enough respect on this board.
8. Lowry - A pit bull at both ends. Should've been an All-Star.
I don't really care about the rest right now.
Personally I think Mike Conley is rivaling Rondo for the throne of defensive stopper at PG... Lowry top 7 is pushing it he barely shoots 40% from the field.. He's good.. I'll give him that.. But not that good..
I like Conley, but he doesn't defend like Rondo.
Conley has great athleticism in his genes, but Rondo's physical tools are far more superior. Rondo just a more gutsy, pesky, etc defender.
Rondo gambles a lot more, so yeah you might call it gutsy but when he gambles and loses it looks rediculous. Conley has some of the quickest hands i've ever seen. It's fun watching Allen and Conley defend, they don't take plays off.
Rondo plays center field a lot and tries to read gaps while Conley will stick to you like glue, so i'll give the nod to Conley there. Rondo is certainly a better player though which is why his defensive prowess is highlighted more.
1.Paul -Hes the best POINT GUARD
2.Rose -Hes the best overall player at this position but not the best point guard if that makes sense
3.Deron -bad team still a good player.
4.Rondo - Floor general, rebounder , defender and a high IQ . Offense isn't the only thing that determines how good a player is.
5.Nash - Underrated needs to be freed up .
7.TP - champion and always underrated
8.Curry - shooter and improving Pg iq
9.Lowry -High motor
10.Lawson ,Wall and Jennings
- Chris Paul
- Derrick Rose
- Deron Williams
- Rajon Rondo
- Russell Westbrook
- Steve Nash
- Tony Parker
- Stephen Curry
- John Wall (I'm putting him this high based on potential not on his stats. They are horrible only because of the dumb team he is on. In other words his stats are not his fault)
- Kyrie Irving (its amazing that Irving is already a top 10 PG in just his rookie year. Speaks a ton about his potential!)
- Ricky Rubio (Still a pretty amazing feat to be in the top 15 of PG's when he hasn't even been in a league for a year yet, especially after so many people wrote him off before he even entered the league!)
- Kyle Lowry
- Ty Lawson
- Mike Conley
- Jrue Holiday
Honerable Mentions: Jason Kidd, Jeremy Lin, Chauncey Billups
I did not put Tyreke Evans on my list because I don't know how many times I have said this but he is NOT a point guard. He is a SG with an incredible passing ability. I compare Tyreke Evans to a young Andre Igoudala. Was Igoudala ever considered a PG? No, or course not, so should Evans be considered one? No.
1. paul 2. rose (depending on team)
3. deron williams
4. rondo 5. westbrook (depending on team but this is close, westbrook is arguably the toughest pg on both ends of the floor right now, one of the scariest pg to go against it as a player imo!)
Good point Rondo can't shoot but since when is John Wall a good shooter.
I seen some good lists but I don't see Wall as a top PG yet.
Here's top 20 off the top of my head
CP3, Rose, Deron, Nash, Parker
Rondo, Westbrook, Lowry, Curry, Jennings
Wall, Calderon, Holiday, Irving, Conley
Lawson, Collison, Lin, Rubio, Teague
I want more opinions on Paul or Rose. I seriously have no idea who's better. I lean Paul, but damn can that argument go either way.
Paul is a way better defender, he's a way better passer, it's impossible for defenders to get Paul to pick up his dribble it just never happens, you're never, I mean never going to outthink Chris Paul when he has the basketball, and a lot of expers have been saying for awhile Chris Paul might go down as the best PG in the NBA history.
Derrick Rose is the greatest physical speciman the PG position has ever saw, he's got a deadly handle game when combined with his speed and strength makes it impossible to keep him from getting in the lane. Once in the lane Rose has perfected his craft to the point that his floaters and runners are money everytime. He's also the purest scoring PG in the league right now and has gotten better with his passing and overall court awareness.
1. Derrick rose - reigning mvp, and the best player at the pg spot and he dominates opposing pgs no matter the caliber of player and hes become a very good defensive player
2.Chris paul- tied with rondo as the best true pg in the league but unlike rondo hes lights out shooting the ball
3. Rajon rondo - tho he cant shoot teams still cant stop him and he is boston right now
4. Deron williams- hes a great player but not elite like rose or paul and the fact his team is so bad is why hes behind rondo
5-Russ westbrook- hes one of those players that will say OH MY F*UCKING GOD in both ways because he will make great play or a real bad one, his apg numbers are down this season but i think thats due to him tryin to do to much
6-Steve nash - leads league in apg at his age and still making his teammates better
7- Tony parker- carrying the spurs
8- Kyle lowry - does everything for houston but isnt quite on the level as those ahead of him
9-Steph curry - dead eye shooter becoming a better pg
10-Kyrie irving- hes been great this season probably the most efficient socring pg in the league and hes a rookie,
11-Ricky rubio- wasnt a fan of his didnt think he could do it on this level but he changed my opinion and is the 4th best pure pg behind cp3,rondo,and nash hes gonna be knocking on that top 5 door real soon
12-John wall - not much improvement from frosh to soph season hes top 15 for me because of his potential, people wanna complain about the level of talent john wall plays with but to me thats BS because look at what Irving has to play with there not that much better if better at all the fact is john wall has not progressed at all hes an athlete with amazing potential but instead of playing in summer league games he shoulda been in the gym working on his game, ive seen more subtance out of irving and rubio in these few games this season then ive seen from wall dating back to hs
13- Brandon jennings,Ty lawson,Jrue holiday, Mike conely
I disagree that Paul is a way better defender than Rose...
Paul is peskier, but Rose does just fine keeping his man out front. The "Derrick Rose can't defend argument" needs to be squashed. He obliterated Paul in their head to head matchup this year. He was going past Paul with two moves, leaving Paul still standing in the blocks. While it was taking Paul 8 dribbles WITH a pick to get past Rose.
My top 10
1. C. Paul- He can do it all pass, score, defend and take over a game.
2. D. Rose- MVP of the league and most athletic PG in the league.
3. D. Williams- He is a couple steps below paul and rose but still an elite pg.
4. R. Rondo- Too selfish sometimes but a great assist man wish he had a jumpshot.
5. R. Rubio- As a rookie probably the best passer in the NBA right now.
6. S. Nash- Has a great jumpshot doesnt miss freethrows and still one of the best assist men in the league.
7. R. Westbrook- 2nd most athletic pg in the league behind rose shoots to much but still an improving pg
8. T. Parker- He is a great scoring pg and his passing skills are nt that bad either.
9. S. Curry- NOt your typical pg but he has gotten better and his jumpshot is leathal
10. T. Lawson- Probably one of the fastest pg's in the league and he knows how to run a team.
I dont think people can grasp the concept of Stats vs. Reality...The reality is some players are products of the teams they play for...I can make a Million examples across the NBA...Ray Felton was a Top 10 Pg last year, what's change besides his Stat Line, well he doesn't play in an Wide Open Offense like The one The Knicks run...why is Steph Curry so high on people's list, he couldn't guard a folding chair and Is constantly Injured, not to mention he's only missed the playoffs every year he's been in the league, and The Warriors are not Improving that this year...Lowry is a guy I love being a Villanova guy and all, but he's another example of a good player that is having a big year because The Coach/System is heavily reliant on him scoring and running a Fast Break(he's a lot like Felton was last year, but Ray Felton is no where near this list???)...Also players that only play on 1 side of the ball cannot be rated above players that do(example Jennings,Curry and Wall over Holiday, Conley and Lowry)...No way is Curry, Jennings and Wall above Holiday, Conley, Parker, Nash and Lowry in any case...People rating guys so high based on potential is so biased and fundementally wrong...players being ranked highly should be a performance based merit(Team Wins and Indivual Stats)...Also most of the Best Pg's in the League don't play in Wide Open Offenses(Examples are Rondo and Holiday) Even the great Derrick Rose doesn't play in a wide open offense although it doesn't appear that way... For Year Deron Williams was playing in Coach Jerry Sloane's offense where Deron had to be more tammed in his shot selection, it's funny how that was the last successful Team he was one, a Team where it held back it's best player and slowed things down thus killing potential statlines...
People look at a Player like Jrue Holiday and Think Steph Curry is better, how is that even a debate when Curry doesn't play Elite level man to man defense(don't throw that Flawed SPG stat out there, Iverson always lead the league in steals and was one of the worst defenders by far throughout that Era)...Do Curry's stats jump out you because he gets 20 points for a Losing Team while allowing his man to go off consistantly, do his stints on the Injured List prove to anyone he's a reliable Leader for a Winning Franchise, No they don't...I love Curry's offensive game as much as anyone, but how in the world is he rated above Holiday, Parker, Conley, Lowry and others...This site does a great job of hyping players up to the point the Hype invades Rational Thought...some people will rank Curry and Wall above players like Rondo one day very soon for no Rational Reason at all...The same people will Rank Jeremy Lamb above proven SG's on day one...The Hype as to stop...
If you think Derrick Rose isn't really good on defense, then you simply don't watch basketball. I understand that CP3 is a better defender, and a more pure PG, but Rose has been the better player over the past 2 years. Hell, last year Rose won more playoff series than CP3 has his entire career. Rose is still getting better, CP3 has reached his peak. I love the idea of 1a and 1b, but if u have watched the last two seasons of both of them, Rose is just a better basketball player.
Rose won more playoff series? Wow, I didn't realize his team had nothing to do with that. Just stop - Paul took what is without him one of the worst teams in the NBA and nearly beat the freaking Lakers.
Scarecrow, I agreed with you up until I read "No way is Curry, Jennings,Wall above Holiday.
I agree with you that Holiday plays on sides of the ball and has great potential, but this year has been a downer. After such an impressive season last, I was optimistic and could see him really dominating this year. He has yet to do so. I have been greatly dissatisfied with his performance. Its too streaky.
Jennings is the same way, he can score on anybody and is not a bad passer either but he can also have his offdays. I hate streaky, inconsistant players. They get on my nerves like crazy and I would rather not have them on my team.
Curry and Wall on the other hand have great futures.
- Like I said in my post earlier. I only put Wall so high (even ahead of Holiday) based on his potential. If the Wizards weren't so mentally disabled, he would be a much better player.
- The Warriors have a problem with their backcourt, but its not with Curry. They believe in Curry, both as a scorer and as a defender. And he has proved it. Curry is not the reason why the Warriors never make the playoffs, Ellis is.
That is why I ranked Curry and Wall above Holiday, but if Jennings was not so inconsistant I would probably have put him above Holiday as well.
1. Derrick Rose: He and Chris Paul are close, but I agree with Indiana's analysis on the situation. Well put.
2. Chris Paul: I do not do 1a and 1b. This is rankings, which means you have to choose one over the other. Right now, my choice is Derrick Rose who just appears to be utterly beastly when he has been healthy this season.
3. Deron Williams: Still. His team is awful, but he has been doing work. If he were to be paired with a Dwight Howard. Has incredibly few weaknesses, not to mention being a tank.
4. Russell Westbrook: He may not be the classic PG that Rondo is, but he is an athletic beast and is so much more versatile as an offensive player. If you switch the two, I think you would find how much OKC would miss Russ.
5. Tony Parker: May get hell for rating him over Rondo, but so be it. This guy is a beast who people have an incredibly tough time ranking. The thing is, the Spurs are still a great team and he has been the main reason why (as Ginobili has been injured). I really feel Tony has fewer issues as an offensive player than Rajon, plus Rondo's defense is not exponentially better to move him above Parker. It is close, but Parker is more dangerous and more efficient. Rondo is crucial to Boston's success, but Parker is every bit as crucial and has arguably had less help from his aging stars than ever. It is close, but I take Tony Parker here right now.
6. Rajon Rondo: He plays both ends of the court. Even with his well documented problems shooting the ball (from outside 15 feet and at the foul line), he has shown more aggression as a scorer. His defense is obviously fantastic and he is a leader. I just honestly feel like these PG's bring a little more to the table over all. I think people love that he is a more "classic" pass first PG. His court vision is great and he has excellent chemistry with his teammates, but I think that people see this as making him better than other PG's who maybe have fewer overall weaknesses. I rank him 6th, but I am not a hater, just kind of have a different view on him than many.
7. Steve Nash: If you talk about offensive efficiency and court vision, it does not get better. He is shooting 56% from the field right now! That is pretty freaking awesome for any age, much less a 38 year old PG. The biggest problem many have with Nash is his being a defensive liability. If you play with Steve Nash and do not have the necessary defensive backing to make up for it, you are in trouble. This is where while I see Nash as exponentially more efficient in offensive skill set than most any guard, his defense drags him down. If you are trading a major piece for Nash in hoping to win a title, than I think you are doing the wrong thing. He is someone that can make a good team great, but he is not going to be an ideal fill-in for an All-Star caliber player (ie. people saying the Lakers should trade Gasol to acquire Nash. No.)
8. Kyle Lowry
9. Ty Lawson
10. Stephen Curry: He is rated here because he is a tremendously efficient offensive player, Scarecrow. I truly think that once a few people on his team get moved around, he will start leading his team to wins. I know Jrue has been winning and he is a better defender, but Lou Williams has been a more efficient offensive player. Much more so, which is why Jrue is not shooting up these rankings like these other guys.
11. Kyrie Irving
12. Jrue Holiday
13. John Wall
14. Brandon Jennings
15. Andre Miller
Last 5 out: Ricky Rubio, Mike Conley, Jeff Teague, Darren Collison, Brandon Knight
Agree with wardb that Tyreke Evans is not a PG. I also do not see Lou Williams as a real PG either. I am not dead set on 8-15, but I am pretty cool with my top 7.
I forgot the part where the Lakers didn't get obliterated soon after beating the Hornets.
It is a team game. But you can't have it both ways. Everyone says "Chicago's weakness is in the 4th quarter Rose is the only one who can do anything" but now he has a great team. I know CP3 is playing with Blake Griffin amongst others and Rose's team still has a vastly superior record.
same number of points as Nash, same assists as Rose, equal shooter with Williams. The Rockets aren't on TV much but he's having a great year that few are noticing. He has elevated a far less talented team up with the Mavs, Lakers, and Nuggets. Basketball isn't about highlight dunks and potential. Lowry performs everything at every aspect of the game and wins games.
I left Steph Curry and Tyreke out...Steph 8 Tyreke 13...Lin and Jennings out of top 15
you're the worst kind of poster. Critize but don't have the balls to put your own list up. Don't make any case against Lowry. Go cut and paste some one else's list and pass it off as your own. This stuff is about people having different options and the sharing of information.
The Lakers got obliterated by the NBA finals winner. And I should just copy and paste this, at this point. Coaching matters! A great coach is every bit as important as a star player. The Bulls were NOT elite before Thibs. The Clippers have a great record with Del Negro who is, by all accounts, a poor coach, particularly defensively. The Clippers are a top offense and an atrocious defensive team with little scheme. Paul is good on the ball, but studies have shown the 1 has the LEAST effect defensively on other teams as a whole, so while he has some responsibility (I'd argue little since he's the 1 healthy member of the team that's been part of a great NBA defense), the poor defense holding the Clippers back is far more on their bigs and coach.
both teams are obv better with Rose and Rondo.
But Bulls are 7-2 without Rose
Celtics are 5-2 without Rondo
Both are great players but have a very strong team around them. Houston is a sub .500 team without Lowry. They were 0-2 in the games he missed earlier this season.
1. Derrick Rose- can dominate a game more than any other pg in the league
2. Chris Paul- has taken a lesser role but still outstanding when the team needs it- produced wins on a bad team in NO
3. Rajon Rondo- pure pg that leads his team and contributes all around to make them better
4. Steve Nash- still does what made him MVP multiple times- makes his teammates so much better
5. Deron Williams- good numbers on a bad team so his reputation is mostly based off of history- stock has dropped since even though hes getting stats he still can't seem to produce wins like other pgs have on bad teams
6. Ricky Rubio- completely turned around the 2nd worst team in the league and has made them competitive in games agianst several of the top nba teams. does everything a pg is supposed to do
7. Steph Curry- super skilled scorer and passer
8. Russ Westbrook- talented but really james harden is more of a pg for the thunder i hate how westbrook is so hard headed and out of control sometimes
9. Brandon Jennings- should have been an all star this year- though inconsistent makes huge plays and takes over games when he gets the opportunity- is in a bad position on the team with an undefined role and no support- remember the fear the dear run and imagine the bucks without him... produces wins on a bad team
10. parker, lowry, irving, lawson all about equal value (not a knock i think theyre all very good just not elite "status" because of situations, roles, etc..)
11. wall, collison, andre miller, ray felton
These last couple rankings are much better, however I believe that Parker at this stage in their careers is ahead of Nash. Parker does so much more now, even if he isn't the passer Nash is, but Nash is still getting it done for a team of scrubs.
I don't really think it's fair to drop Deron Williams behind Rondo and Nash because he isn't getting wins. The guy plays on a team who's starting lineup consists of Marshon Brooks, Deshawn Stevenson, Kris Humphries and Okur.