[valentine]

The Brow has gotta be feeling pretty annoyed right now. Pelicans have shut him down for the season and he needs to make an All-NBA team to earn a $24m bonus on his salary under the Derrick Rose provision.

Questions:

Is he going to make an All NBA team?

Would he have made it if he’d played 82 games?

Is New Orleans intentionally screwing him out of the cash?

Is it a smart move to short-change him like this?

In my opinion, he’s on the cusp of a 3rd team spot. His stats stack up, but his team had been terrible and he will only play 61 games. Now that hes been shut down, it seems unlikely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 I wouldn’t put him on the team regardless of how many games he played this year. But that franchise did shortchange him, simply by not putting enough talent around him and by firing Monty Williams.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 I wouldn’t put him on the team regardless of how many games he played this year. But that franchise did shortchange him, simply by not putting enough talent around him and by firing Monty Williams.

[SmooveKRYPTParticipant]

I thought the same thing when I first saw news that they were shutting him down earlier today.

But I read later that he actually needs surgery on his left shoulder that he’s been playing through all year and the knee he just injured in the last game, so it seems legit. Gentry said he’s likely to miss the Olympics this summer…I’m sure AD wouldn’t be okay with that if he weren’t seriously hurt.

Playing only 61 games I’m almost certain he won’t get the 3rd team All-NBA nod, so that’s a big savings over the life of the contract for the Pels. They might actually have cap space to sign their draft pick and still have a max slot this summer depending on how the final math turns out. Sucks for AD but it might turn out positive for the organization short and long-term if they can put a better squad around him.

 

 

[SmooveKRYPTParticipant]

I thought the same thing when I first saw news that they were shutting him down earlier today.

But I read later that he actually needs surgery on his left shoulder that he’s been playing through all year and the knee he just injured in the last game, so it seems legit. Gentry said he’s likely to miss the Olympics this summer…I’m sure AD wouldn’t be okay with that if he weren’t seriously hurt.

Playing only 61 games I’m almost certain he won’t get the 3rd team All-NBA nod, so that’s a big savings over the life of the contract for the Pels. They might actually have cap space to sign their draft pick and still have a max slot this summer depending on how the final math turns out. Sucks for AD but it might turn out positive for the organization short and long-term if they can put a better squad around him.

 

 

[r377Participant]

I am more annoyed as I have him in my Fantasy playoffs. I had him and Kyrie in a dynasty league and had to get rid of at least one injury prone player…..

He needs surgery

Anthony Davis will require multiple surgeries to repair his left knee and a torn labrum in his left shoulder.
7 hours ago Rotoworld
Pelicans coach Alvin Gentry says Davis will miss the remainder of the season – and probably the Olympics in Rio de Janeiro as well – so he can have surgery to repair a recent knee injury and a lingering shoulder problem that has bothered him for much of the season.

[r377Participant]

I am more annoyed as I have him in my Fantasy playoffs. I had him and Kyrie in a dynasty league and had to get rid of at least one injury prone player…..

He needs surgery

Anthony Davis will require multiple surgeries to repair his left knee and a torn labrum in his left shoulder.
7 hours ago Rotoworld
Pelicans coach Alvin Gentry says Davis will miss the remainder of the season – and probably the Olympics in Rio de Janeiro as well – so he can have surgery to repair a recent knee injury and a lingering shoulder problem that has bothered him for much of the season.

[ph90702]

I’m going to get negged, and I don’t care.  This is what happens when you let players come to the league at 19 years old.  He’s 23 years old, and he’s already at an injury deficit.

[ph90702]

I’m going to get negged, and I don’t care.  This is what happens when you let players come to the league at 19 years old.  He’s 23 years old, and he’s already at an injury deficit.

[river09Participant]

 Meh, this is what happens when you’re skinny, tall and play in the post… IMO if you’re old enough to be drafted into the armed services you ought to be old enough to be drafted into the NBA but that’s not what this thread is about.

[river09Participant]

 Meh, this is what happens when you’re skinny, tall and play in the post… IMO if you’re old enough to be drafted into the armed services you ought to be old enough to be drafted into the NBA but that’s not what this thread is about.

[ph90702]

What’s written above is proof that we live in a politically correct society.  People don’t want to hear the truth.  Also, what does being drafted into the armed services have to do with the NBA?  It’s an absolutely dumb argument.  Why doesn’t the NFL have a one and done rule?

Look back at the 2014 draft, and you’ll see that the majority of the picks in the lottery missed time with injuries.  You should not be able to join the NBA until you’re at least 21 years old.

Playing in the NBA IS NOT a right.  It IS a privilege.

[Scott42444Participant]

A quick counterpoint…is there a very real possibility those same injuries COULD have occured to those same players while in college and that doesn’t really make it a positive for ANY of the parties involved.  The more I, as a Chicago Cubs fan, have focused in the past 5 years on the entire minor league structure in baseball it makes me feel annoyed at teams like the Chicago Bulls for only NOW creating a minor league team of their own for player development.  It worked for the Spurs, who have been able to take guys from their NBADL team in years past and "bring them up" to the parent team without the fear of them not knowing the system.  But, when Thibs was the Bulls coach (who is also a system guy, meaning he had trust issues with rookies and younger journeyman players) the Bulls were forced to rely on the 35+ year old players as injury fill-ins during his injury filled tenure with the Bulls.  I actually agree that they should be 20 years old to play in the NBA.  That should be 2 years in college OR the NBA should have 2 teams in the NBADL that are league owned (meaning they have no allegiances to a "parent" NBA team) for those guys who aren’t able to stay in college that can stay in the NBA picture and learn the ropes without having to go overseas. 

Yes, Pat Riley seemingly earns every syllable of his "genius" moniker with a find like Hassan Whiteside.  However, imagine if there was the protection that the NBA players association offers for younger guys who even at 20 aren’t mature enough physically or mentally for the NBA yet, based on the math of NBA contracts and the amount of money one could earn getting that THIRD NBA contract, are doing themselves a disservice staying in school and earning nothing.

 

[ph90702]

I would be willing to compromise and let players leave college after one year if they were forced to stay in the D-League until they were 21 years old.

[ph90702]

I would be willing to compromise and let players leave college after one year if they were forced to stay in the D-League until they were 21 years old.

[Scott42444Participant]

A quick counterpoint…is there a very real possibility those same injuries COULD have occured to those same players while in college and that doesn’t really make it a positive for ANY of the parties involved.  The more I, as a Chicago Cubs fan, have focused in the past 5 years on the entire minor league structure in baseball it makes me feel annoyed at teams like the Chicago Bulls for only NOW creating a minor league team of their own for player development.  It worked for the Spurs, who have been able to take guys from their NBADL team in years past and "bring them up" to the parent team without the fear of them not knowing the system.  But, when Thibs was the Bulls coach (who is also a system guy, meaning he had trust issues with rookies and younger journeyman players) the Bulls were forced to rely on the 35+ year old players as injury fill-ins during his injury filled tenure with the Bulls.  I actually agree that they should be 20 years old to play in the NBA.  That should be 2 years in college OR the NBA should have 2 teams in the NBADL that are league owned (meaning they have no allegiances to a "parent" NBA team) for those guys who aren’t able to stay in college that can stay in the NBA picture and learn the ropes without having to go overseas. 

Yes, Pat Riley seemingly earns every syllable of his "genius" moniker with a find like Hassan Whiteside.  However, imagine if there was the protection that the NBA players association offers for younger guys who even at 20 aren’t mature enough physically or mentally for the NBA yet, based on the math of NBA contracts and the amount of money one could earn getting that THIRD NBA contract, are doing themselves a disservice staying in school and earning nothing.

 

[ph90702]

What’s written above is proof that we live in a politically correct society.  People don’t want to hear the truth.  Also, what does being drafted into the armed services have to do with the NBA?  It’s an absolutely dumb argument.  Why doesn’t the NFL have a one and done rule?

Look back at the 2014 draft, and you’ll see that the majority of the picks in the lottery missed time with injuries.  You should not be able to join the NBA until you’re at least 21 years old.

Playing in the NBA IS NOT a right.  It IS a privilege.

[MopgrassParticipant]

 I assume he’s okay with this. I wouldn’t be. With $24 million I could come close to buying Lakers season tickets. 

If he doesn’t want to be shut down then he’d probably look to leave next time he’s s free agent. I don’t think ownership is that greedy. He’s up for it. 

[MopgrassParticipant]

 I assume he’s okay with this. I wouldn’t be. With $24 million I could come close to buying Lakers season tickets. 

If he doesn’t want to be shut down then he’d probably look to leave next time he’s s free agent. I don’t think ownership is that greedy. He’s up for it. 

[Hype Machine]

To be fair…that extra bonus is for special players who perform above and beyond the average ‘max’. 

I probably wouldnt say Davis has done that. Even he would acknowledge that hes probably only played at the ‘normal max’ level. 

That Mega-Max is a real salary cap killer if given to the wrong person. 

All the talk of young stars declaring earlier so they can get their second contract sooner fail to consider that if you come in a year later, you’re a better chance of that extra 24m.

 

[Scott42444Participant]

…the guy who is earning it.  Every bit of the player who’s name is associated with the higher salary cap % cut SCREAMS out that injuries are insurmountable if someone who earns 30% of the salary cap (which, BTW, would make the new increased salary cap next season a non-issue since it also increases the amount earned by the same amount) cannot stay on the court.  Derrick Rose earned the extension he was given.  100%.  Then, he got injured every year and became a 35 year old at 26 years old.  Even this season, where he has been "relatively healthy", he has to take a couple games off here and there like a veteran the age of Dwyane Wade would.  Imagine the Bulls, in 2010, making the ECF with the youngest MVP in NBA history AND the COY in Thibs.  They develop Luol Deng into an All-Star.  They draft Jimmy Butler 30th that year (who has gone on to be a 2-time all-star) AND Nikola Mirotic (runner up for ROY last season) late in the 1st round too.  Joakim Noah develops into the DPOY, 1st Team All-NBA, AND 4th in the MVP (admittedly that last one was just a token designation, but still shows a GREAT season and GREAT development).  They then add, just one season after Noah was listed ANOTHER C to the mix in Pau Gasol for "only" 7 1/2 million a season for 2 years who ends up being the Eastern Conference All-Star Game starter at "Center" (even though that doesn’t really exist anymore in the all-star game, since they don’t formally vote for the center position for starters) AND have a 2-time runner up for 6th man of the year with Taj Gibson.  Those are all a recipe for a REAL Championship caliber team on paper.  However, injuries completely derailed any hopes for a title in that regard (if they could have overcome the Miami Heat, Cleveland Cavs and LeBron is another question).  Yes, the Bulls seem to have ridiculous medical issues aside from just Rose.  Luol Deng missed significant time after a spinal tap almost killed him.  Joakim Noah had a "minor" procedure on his knee that has all but ended his above average ability.  Mirotic has his appendix removed and almost died with a 1 in 1000000 surgical complication just this season.  But having the youngest MVP in NBA history have 3 major knee procedures over as many seasons makes a 5 year "mega-max extension" an albatross that CANNOT be overcome.  

[Scott42444Participant]

…the guy who is earning it.  Every bit of the player who’s name is associated with the higher salary cap % cut SCREAMS out that injuries are insurmountable if someone who earns 30% of the salary cap (which, BTW, would make the new increased salary cap next season a non-issue since it also increases the amount earned by the same amount) cannot stay on the court.  Derrick Rose earned the extension he was given.  100%.  Then, he got injured every year and became a 35 year old at 26 years old.  Even this season, where he has been "relatively healthy", he has to take a couple games off here and there like a veteran the age of Dwyane Wade would.  Imagine the Bulls, in 2010, making the ECF with the youngest MVP in NBA history AND the COY in Thibs.  They develop Luol Deng into an All-Star.  They draft Jimmy Butler 30th that year (who has gone on to be a 2-time all-star) AND Nikola Mirotic (runner up for ROY last season) late in the 1st round too.  Joakim Noah develops into the DPOY, 1st Team All-NBA, AND 4th in the MVP (admittedly that last one was just a token designation, but still shows a GREAT season and GREAT development).  They then add, just one season after Noah was listed ANOTHER C to the mix in Pau Gasol for "only" 7 1/2 million a season for 2 years who ends up being the Eastern Conference All-Star Game starter at "Center" (even though that doesn’t really exist anymore in the all-star game, since they don’t formally vote for the center position for starters) AND have a 2-time runner up for 6th man of the year with Taj Gibson.  Those are all a recipe for a REAL Championship caliber team on paper.  However, injuries completely derailed any hopes for a title in that regard (if they could have overcome the Miami Heat, Cleveland Cavs and LeBron is another question).  Yes, the Bulls seem to have ridiculous medical issues aside from just Rose.  Luol Deng missed significant time after a spinal tap almost killed him.  Joakim Noah had a "minor" procedure on his knee that has all but ended his above average ability.  Mirotic has his appendix removed and almost died with a 1 in 1000000 surgical complication just this season.  But having the youngest MVP in NBA history have 3 major knee procedures over as many seasons makes a 5 year "mega-max extension" an albatross that CANNOT be overcome.  

[Hype Machine]

To be fair…that extra bonus is for special players who perform above and beyond the average ‘max’. 

I probably wouldnt say Davis has done that. Even he would acknowledge that hes probably only played at the ‘normal max’ level. 

That Mega-Max is a real salary cap killer if given to the wrong person. 

All the talk of young stars declaring earlier so they can get their second contract sooner fail to consider that if you come in a year later, you’re a better chance of that extra 24m.

 

[HitsterParticipant]

If a player needed surgery and needed maximum recovery time to be ready for next season and a team has nothing left to play for then shutting them down is a legit option. Teams will rest players for the last few games if they have play off births sown up and teams looking to tank will field lesser teams. Generally last week of the season then coaches may experiment a bit with their line ups too.

But shutting AD down this early looks a bit dodgy and facing NOP with or without AD can make a big difference to teams and thus play off positions.

[HitsterParticipant]

If a player needed surgery and needed maximum recovery time to be ready for next season and a team has nothing left to play for then shutting them down is a legit option. Teams will rest players for the last few games if they have play off births sown up and teams looking to tank will field lesser teams. Generally last week of the season then coaches may experiment a bit with their line ups too.

But shutting AD down this early looks a bit dodgy and facing NOP with or without AD can make a big difference to teams and thus play off positions.

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