Peak Kobe vs. Peak T-Mac
Offensive skills, they were about equal. Defensively Kobe was miles ahead of tmac .Plus Kobe was mentally tougher in terms of putting his head down and attacking while tmac settled more often.
T-Mac was probably better for like one year. I was a huge T-Mac fan but I'd take Kobe every year but 2003.
Kobe 62 points in 3 quarters. Dallas mavericks, 61 points in the same 3 quarters. His scoring did in fact beat a team single handedly through 3 quarters. Wow. lol.
I take Kobe hands down, because for all of those people saying that Mac is just as good a scorer are foolish, as he didn't have the same jumper or post game.; Better(more willing) passer and nearly the same at handling the ball. Kobe's defense during their prime's was also on a completely different level. As Rick Fox once said in regards to Mac, " Tracy ran through everyone,...except Kobe." Kobe locked down everyone from Mac, to VC, to Pierce, to Nash. It's not just about their offensive abilites which is mainly all I've seen people argue about so far.
Kobe won while Mac didn't. IMO, T-Mac was the prototype for LeBron and the T1000 of Scottie Pippen.
Different kinds of players both terrific. Personally they are 2 of my top 5 favorite players of all time and I appreciate what both did for the game of basketball in the early 2000's. Shame Mac didn't have a real work ethic, because that IMO is the one thing that truely seperates Mac and Bean. I always wanted the two to somehow end up playing together in their primes to create the 2000'3 Jordan/Pippen.
I take Kobe simply off his will. Pretty damn equal players overall though.
Kobe because in his prime he was a lockdown defender and he was an elite scorer.. I don't think McGrady was ever the type of on and off ball defender Kobe was in his prime..
The Kobe hate in this threads atrocious.
T-Mac could only match Kobe at the offense end. At the defensive end, it wasn't even close. During Kobe's peak, he was arguably the best wing lockdown defender in basketball. You could never say that about T-Mac.
And lol at the guy who said 13 points in 33 secs was better than 81. Smh.
The 81 game is overrated. It was just Kobe basically taking aim at getting a really big number against a really bad Toronto Raptors defense. It's a big number, but David Robinson also once scored 71 points in a game. Karl Malone once scored 61 points on 26 shots in 33 minutes...he also had 18 rebounds. Bottom line: I don't think it's even Kobe's most impressive game. The 62 through 3 quarters against a good Mavericks team.
The 13 in 33 came against Bruce Bowen and a very good Spurs team. The unlikeliness of the Rockets overcoming that deficit in that short period of time just makes it more impressive to me.
Kobe does have T-Mac beat on the defensive side, but I don't think the difference is as large as some of you make it out to be. T-Mac was certainly a very good defender as well, and if you just watched Kobe vs. T-Mac, you'd have a hard time telling who was the better defender.
Anything to change it up just to give Kobe an edge lol
Kobe's peak year is clearly 05-06
dude averaged 35.4 ppg
argubaly shot his best from 3(34% on 6 attempts per game)
got to the free throw line the most he ever has in his career 10.2 attempts per game.
scored 81 points in one game
and scored 62 points in 3 quarters
and won the scoring title
that's his peak, he may not have been winning much, but he was playing the best basketball of his life.
Frankly I don't agree with that. Yes that's the year he averaged a career high in ppg but I think 2003 was his best season.
It's the year when he eclipsed Shaq as the focal point of the Lakers and put up the best all around numbers of his career; 30 ppg (3rd highest total for him), 5.9 APG (second highest mark of his career), 6.9 RPG, 2.2 APG and 38.3 3pt% (all career highs). He was one of the best perimeter defenders in the league and unstoppable offensively.
Now 2003 is also arguably the best year of McGrady's career as well; 32.1 PPG, 6.5 RPG, 5.5 APG and 1.7 SPG.
Interestingly enough, McGrady had a PER of 30.3 to Kobe's 26.2 and averaged 16.1 win shares to Kobe's 14.9. Although Kobe finished one spot ahead of TMac in the MVP voting (3rd place with 496 points to McGrady's 427 points). The comparison certainly is a lot closer than many people would like to admit.
30 ppg on 49%. 7.5 ast 5 rebs 2.2 stls 1.3 BLKS
Let's not keep dragging new players into this discussion, because eventually someone is going to bring Michael Jordan into it and the conversation stops entirely.
lol ok mb
I love how long it took to get to defense! Thank you, Indiana! Kobe is a far better defender and, as such, a far, far superior player. Offensively, there is absolutely an arguement over who was superior - I like TMac's passing enough more that I may even take him - but as a player, defense counts and Kobe owns TMac there.
Also notable - Kobe had far superior teammates and coaching to pretty much everyone ever. Can we keep that in mind for future debates please? He wasn't Mr. Super-Winner when Phil retired and his best teammates were Kwame and Smush. It's a team sport!
And Duncan was superior to KG, if for no other reason than Tim played more in the post, where he demanded double teams and made his team's offense far more effective than KG. I'd also argue that pre-Thibs defensive schemes, Duncan's dominating low-post defense was superior to KG's more versatile efforts. That, in recent years, has changed.
here is a game between the two from 2003-04 season that i also think of when comparing the two. I actually remember this game well and was surprised to see it up on youtube right now. But it was tmac and the magic giving the lakers the business and then late in the third the lakers put kobe on tmac and it was an absolute clinic from there on out.
Perez, that's what game I was referring to when I quoted Rick Fox as saying that T-Mac ran through everbody...except.
Anyone that said T-Mac was better than Kobe for even one year, watch that video llperez posted and you'll change your mind. He did it so flawlessly, we need to be reminded that even though stats say he was just as good then as he is now, he was so much more unguardable then than he is now. T-Mac may hve been the 2nd best perimeter player for many years, but Kobe was the best, end of story. The way Kobe so effortlessly dominated that game on both offensively and defensively, it makes me want to watch someon dominate a game like that again, I loved the NBA from 03-06, my favorite years.
Wow at that video... Kobe just took that game over.
People forget how great of a defender Kobe was at his peak.
we can argue a lot of these points but the fact is, its still up to interpretation due to so many variables. I remember that game, but the Lakers was a extremely good defensive team, especially on help defense. You guys also seem to forget that its easier to play help defense when other guys wont or cant make you pay. Although Kobe has been the primary focus of offense for most of his career, he always had Shaq or Pau to make you pay for helping.....one of the reasons why Kobe is a good assist guy.
T-Mac was never the defender that Kobe was, true, but when was he on as good a team with as good a coach? I argue that T-Mac on a team with extreme talent was just as effective because even though Kobe was a better defender, T-Mac could drop his scoring and really distrubute if need be. Team philosophy and coaching makes a huge difference as well. regardless of if you feel Kobe was better, the gap was not that wide.
That game though....I mean come on, it was Shaq and Kobe w/ Fisher, Malone, and Payton vs T-Mac w/Juwan Howard, Drew Gooden, Deshawn Stephenson, Andrew DeClerq. thats two 20 plus scorers with two other guys that avg over 14ppg against one 20 plus scorer and only one other guy that avg over 12ppg. come on man. its easy to lock someone up if nobody else can hurt you, also easy to run wild when you have so many other offensive weapons that can damage the other team.
If you were to switch their teams that year, I have no doubt that T-Mac wouldve been considered the better player that year. No doubt whatsoever.