Overhyped Future Bust
The lottery for the 2009 NBA Draft seems like it's going to be filled with overhyped future bust. A lot of stars in college basketball such as Blake Griffin, Stephen Curry, Jordan Hill, BJ Mullens, Demar Dezoran, Gani Lawal, and etc are going to be bust in the NBA. Bust in the sense that none of them will be future All-stars in my eyes, just role players. Everyone is on the Blake Griffin bandwagon, but I seriously think he's going to struggle in the NBA. Griffin has the same type of built that Raptor's forward, Kris Humphries has. He's a chisled 6'7, with shoes 6'8. Griffin has way more hops than Humphries, but he's still going to find it very difficult to score in the NBA, as easily as he has in college. Undersized big men are rarely longer stars anymore. Back in the days there were a lot ala Wes Unseld, Charles Barkley, Dave Cowens, Buck WIlliams, and etc. Modern day times, there has only been two undersized big men that are legit NBA stars, Elton Brand and Carlos Boozer. Stephen Curry is going to be the next Eddie House. Jordan Hill is just a high energy player that boards and block shots, but he has no offensive game what so ever, but just putbacks, dunks, and a at times inconsistent 15 foot jumper. BJ Mullens is this year's DeAndre Jordan, basically a center with a huge amout of upside, but because he's so much in a rush to get to the NBA, he's going to be a one and done, instead of developing his game and enetering the draft when think he's ready to make an impact in the NBA. Demar Dezoran has all the talent in the world to be a future NBA All-Star, but he just doesn't have the heart or drive to push himself to be a franchise caliber type of player. Gani Lawal falls under the undersize big label as well. Lawal offensive game is real raw, he has no footwork, has really no feel for the game, and doesn't have much of a mid range game to talk about. The only real future all-stars I see, if they enter the draft, is Greg Monroe, James Harden, J'rue Holiday, Brandon Jennings, Earl Clark, and perphaps Cole Aldrich.
I agree withy you partly, I think Curry, Griffin, Mullens, and Demar will be bust. I don't think Hill or Lawal will be a bust though.
LOL COLE ALDRICH AN ALL-STAR? You must be joking? LOL funniest joke ever. To be honest, there will be no all-stars in this years draft. This draft just sucks no franchise players at all totally watered down draft.
I totally agree about this being a very overhyped class. I think we all kind of got spoiled with last years class of stars, this year is quite a drop off in comparison. The majority of the guys that are getting a lot of pub are guys that you can easily see being role players in the future instead of stars. I'm not saying that these guys are bums but they are a collection of players with either size problems for their position or specialist in one catagory. I do think Griffin can be a franchise PF but the size thing could hurt him or we might just be getting to a place in the NBA where being 6'7 or 6'8 and playing the post just doesn't matter anymore.Think about it most 7'0 footers these days either want to be SF or just are plain stiffs(most of the more physical back to the basket guys coming out of college are guys 6'7 to 6'9 I think the days of true centers are almost over) . As for B.J.Mullens he has been a major dissappointment thus far.Jordan Hill I think will be a servicable PF borderline starter with his energy.Stef Curry I'm rooting for this guy but I just don't know if him being mostly a volume shooter is going to work in the league over the long haul (don't know unless his point guard skills and ballhandling improve a great deal).Dermar Derozan is just plain overated in my humble opinion just don't see the upside, there's more to being a baller than running and jumping.As for Gani Lawal the jurys still out on him but i think he's gonna be a very nice player eventually starter material.Cole Aldrich don't know about him being an all-star but I do see him being a good piece for the right team that needs a big with potential I like his upside going to be above average player and these days when you get a chance at a post player you almost have to take it because low post scorers are just not out there like they once were.But all the guys you had as your all-star caliber guys are pretty much on the money Don042488.James Harden might be the best of them all just plays like a pro already.
Show me a site where it says Griffin is under 6-9? This size crap has spread like wildfire and there's nothing to it. Griffin was as tall if not taller then Kevin Love is which makes him 6-9 in shoes. It's just being negative for the sake of being negative. We all know this year's draft is weak but you don't have to try and bring down the best prospect just to make your point.
Blake Griffin to me is going to struggle in the league and he's already dropped his production already, since early on in the season, he'll just be a okay, but not a great player. The real top talent in the draft to me is Greg Monroe. Monroe is a 6'10 250 pound big man, with guard-like skills, good footwork, an array of low post moves, great passing abilites, a rare knack for stealing for a big man, he's a adequate shot blocker, got plenty of hops, and he's got range that extends to the three point line. Monroe is more of a complete player.
k-love is 6,8
Hey has anyone voted for the All-Star game and seen the group of players listed for the centers? lol Samuel Dalembert ranks second for Eastern Conference centers, so you must know quality centers are at an all time low. lol That's why I said Cole Aldrich could perphaps be an All-Star.
Samuel Dalembert was a much better pro prospect than Cole and look how average he is...
btw Hansbrough>Griffin...well sorta LOL
I think as far as Blake is concerned, if he is 6'9 and can develop a consistent jump shot I think he can play the 3, and he'd be very affective. He'd be like a Josh Smith type of player.
Blake Griffin stands at 6'7, and with shoes on 6'8. He is athletic don't get me wrong, but he's no where near the athlete Josh Smith is. Josh Smith is also a long 6'9, Blake Griffin doesn't really have a long wingspan.
I don't think they will be "busts", but as for being franchise players, they will not. I also agree that out of the group rorginally named, there is unlikely to be an all-star player amongst them. We have been spoiled in recent times, and this draft is in my opinion, not as deep.
... A couple of nice finds that may or may not be lottery picks. Al-Farouq Aminu has tremendous upside and is going to be a nice addition in the early/mid rounds. Ricky Rubio is the real deal. This kid is a very special player that could use some work on the defensive end.
I dont think this class is OVERHYPED... In fact I dont think they are hyped at all... This is a weak class ala the Keyon Martin draft class... There is not anyone in here that stands out to me... If I was a GM I would trade my pick ASAP... If not, you have to draft so it doesn't matter who you draft because majority of them are bums... Now for Blake Griff, he is solid and very much so athletic, but thats where it stops... No post game and a solid 6'8 wit shoes at best he is a Jason Maxiell but I dont see him having any effect on the defensive end... And to end the K-Love thing... NBADRAFT.NET stated that K love was 6.7 wit shoes off then he put them on and was 6'9... They joked that he had on high heels or orthopetics... lol... The only sure pick in this draft to me personally is James Harden... he is solid and has alot of Pro moves (ala OJ but not as good) He might not be a "STAR" in the league but I feel he can be a solid 2nd Option...
I forgot about Ricky.... I hope for his sake he works hard and continue to progress because he might be the most overhyped prospect more so than B. Griff.... I think the USA basketball world want a WHITE savior so bad that they will cling onto any decent prospect... There will not be another Larry Bird or Pistol Pete... They try so hard to get another savior that they gave Steve Nash 2 MVP's and Gave a 7 foot player in Dirk one too... Steve Nash average 15 and 10 wow.. Dirk didnt average 10 boards!!! So it scares me how much pressure they put on these prospects... Kevin Love is a great college player (if he stayed longer) but thats it... Do you think a non-athletic, under-sized, over-weight guy will make it in the NBA? Who is he stopping? For Ricky, he is young but he makes too many dumb plays and turns it over too much... His jumper needs to be tweaked a little but he is a solid pick... Not a sure fire Star... IF one more scout say anything about a white guy's basketball IQ ima scream... Does T. Lawson, J. Flynn, and Darren Collison have a Basketball IQ? Why is Nick Calthes the only one mentioned....
Rubio has very real potential to be better than Nash.
look at him hes playing better now he couldn't adjust before but now hes getting his rhythm and to me he will be a top 5 pick and a great force since day 1.
jennings he gonna be like iverson too fast too furious his passing ability and quickness
so these two can be the future allstars
I really don't think that this draft is really that weak, it just kind of seems that way because the last two classes have been very strong and deep. The top 5-8 prospects are still of a high quality (Harden is my personal favorite), but there is a real drop off at a certain point in the draft, depending on who comes out this year.
if there is a bust in the draft I still think it's hasheem thabeet (although curry will be another one)
Hasheem Thabeet is going to be a defensive force in the NBA, but on offense it's going to take him time to develop, he did started playing organized basketball at a late age. At UCCON, I don't know if people notice, but Thabeet barely gets the ball. The Huskie guards Price, Walker, Dyson, and Austrie, all pass the ball inside to Jeff Adrien and ignore the fact they have a freaking 7'3 beast in the paint, waiting for the ball, to easily dunk it through the hoop. Stephen Curry to me is going to be a guy that comes of a team's bench and light it up in a hurry. His role in the NBA is going to be similar to Eddie House's role in the NBA, come in the game and go ballistic, by running around until you get the ball and shoot.
Griffen is a great player, I don't see him being a bust, an Elton Brand at best. But their are a lot of horrible predictions for some of these players. Curry won't be great either, Ben Gordon at best. But hopefully their will be a lot of good players that can be role players in the future. Role players are not a bad thing.
O.K I don't think what a lot of people on this site understand is that a lot of the players you guys are naming are 18-20 years old max. Give some of these guys 3, 4, 5 years in the league and they will without a doubt be all stars and franchise players. Right now Blake Griffin is an absolute man-child, he has phenomonal footwork, is strong, and is very springy of the ground. He has all of the necessary credentials to be a great pro and let him refine both his back to the basket and mid range game and he will be deadly. Thabeet is another player that has the potential to be a very good pro if he adds muscle and continues to improve his game, same concept with Greg Monroe. Curry will be a bust though kind of like a J.J Reddick type and BJ Mullens really hasn't shown me much when I see him on ESPN and seems like he might have to be drafted by the right team in order to be effective. James Harden is definetly for real though and is a smart player who is good fundamentally and is athletic. Cole Aldrich is a goof and will get his shit tossed in the league lol don't believe for a second he is anything good AND for the record Ricky Rubio is for real, didn't anyone watch the Olympics? He was throwing oops and dropping dimes to that whole team plus he can shoot, but Brandon Jennings will be better I think he's gonna be the rookie of the year in this draft class and Eric Maynor is going to be the sleeper int this class.
Well said, these are some young guys that need time to mature and advance they're skill.We just have gotten use to the last couple of years have instant impact guys.I think on some of these guys our expectations have to be lowered because they are so young and there just not a lot of talent on par with the last couple of drafts.i think Griffin gonna be good i just don't think he will be a franchise guy and thats not a dis.I don't care if he measures out to be 6'7 I think he will be pretty good.Steph Curry I'm just not sure about him because history shows that his style of guard doesn't work that well or at least they only sit on the bench.But my gut says don't count him out totally he could buck the trend because he's a pretty good shooter and teams probably won't key in on him the same way they do now.Greg Monroe is just a stud to say the least he's gonna be very good love the way he passes the ball he had a wrap around pass against Pitt for a dunk that let me know that he's gonna be really good.
I keep hearing these players aren't as good as last year and blah blah blah. First off last year isn't that great. Derrick Rose is a solid point guard sure. Mayo is a great defender but he looks to me like he will be that Vince Carter Tracy Mcgrady level guard good player that doesn't necessarily help his team win. Beasley looks like a bust. When it is all said and done Anthony Randolph might actually be the one player from last year's class that leads a team to a championship. Now onto Griffin first off to all the people who question his height and say Boozer and Brand are the only two at his height that have done anything. First off Boozer and Brand neither one had/has the athleticism off Griffin. Griffin handles the ball better than both these guys right now. Griffin has even made some college 3's Boozer was a pure center in college and Brand was bascially a back to the basket post guy. Griffin already as a sophmore is showing some pick and pop game. Griffin is an incredible passer right now. Rare for a player his age he is passing out of double teams finding open players this will help him huge in the NBA. David West and Paul Millsaps are also two players in the so-called Griffin size range that have been sucessful. Also people questioned Al Hortord and Emeka Okafor heights and they both measured out. Next Greg Monroe there is not one player in last year's draft who has the upside Monore has. Seriously he could be a Tim Duncan type. Curry can't be a bust because scouts are saying he won't be that good. Jordan Hill can't bust because scouts are saying he will be a role player. BJ Mullens has the best chance to bust as far as what scouts say he could be. The truth of the matter is last year's draft is overrated badly and this year's is underrated.
Is 6-8.75 without shoes and just over 6-9 with shoes. Since players play with shoes he's 6-9.
when's the last time we've seen someone like Blake Griffin, Sir Charles is the last player that was undersized and had that kind of athleticism and skill set, right now no one in the NBA has that kind of athleticism and skill set combined with being undersized so you can't really gauge how well Blake will be once he gets to the NBA, Jordan Hill is also ever improving going from 4 to 12 to 18 PPG you can't get 18 a game with just put backs alone the guy has clearly develop some kind of offensive game that with time with develop into something great. and the only guy that is overhyped in this draft is Stephen Curry after the run Davidson had in the playoffs reporters were on this guy like white on rice thinking he was gonna be a star in the NBA forgetting that he is 6'2 6'3 and can't really run a team or defend at best he's gonna stay in that pocket and he's gonna become a specialist like JJ Redick unless he learns how to create his own shot with and without the ball
Don't give up on BJ Mullens yet. He's very lucky there's a one year requirement rule for the NBA otherwise he could have ended up just like Robert Swift. I really hope BJ stays in college at least another year.
I saw him play against Mich St the other night. At times I was cringing watching him airball point blank hooks, but it looks like he has some good potential. He's a 7 footer with sick hops. There's a place for him in the league. I have a hard time believing he's a total bust.
you think ANTHONY RANDOLPH will be the best player from last years draft? LOL you are hilarious. What a joke
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Haha I love how wrong this is.
lol, don was on a roll! Curry the next Eddie House, Griffin 6'8'' in shoes??? the pre draft measurements beg to differ 6'10'' and Thabeet being a force right off the bat...that was pretty good